Interesting Tidbit from Albert Breer about the Wells' Investigation Today (4/10)

Do we take that to mean he has inside info the Jets are going to win their tampering charge against the Patriots and the Patriots are going to lose a pick?

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No, because Goodell can't rule for the JEST's filing and against the Patriots' filing without proving he's a hypocrite. Hell, even finding that the two charges cancel out is hypocritical.

Rob0729 said:

I think the league is getting more from the Wells' investigation than you think. I am guessing that employee who was fired for stealing balls was done so because of the Wells report and Kensil leaked his own spin on the report because of it.

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Supposedly, the NFL knew he was stealing footballs before the game began.

AndyJohnson said:

Breer also said this:

If you have to worry about the idea of this and the tampering issue between the Jets and Patriots, then you have to worry about losing a draft pick,” said Breer.

Do we take that to mean he has inside info the Jets are going to win their tampering charge against the Patriots and the Patriots are going to lose a pick?

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He was commenting on the Florio piece:

“I do think the draft is sort of a flash point in all of this. Michael Florio made a point on Profootballtalk.com maybe a week or two ago that this starts to eat into the planning. If you have to worry about the idea of this and the tampering issue between the Jets and Patriots, then you have to worry about losing a draft pick,” said Breer. “The pro days are over, testing is over and teams are bringing prospects into their buildings to interview them.

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He is talking about hypothetical punishments raised by Florio.

I'm in the camp that Breer knew nothing, knows nothing and will never know anything

ctpatsfan77 said:

No, because Goodell can't rule for the JEST's filing and against the Patriots' filing without proving he's a hypocrite. Hell, even finding that the two charges cancel out is hypocritical.

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Sure, but using the standard that Breer is plugged in, so everything he says must be a clue to inside information, why would he include the Patriots losing a pick if he hasn't heard rumors from his inside sources that it will happen?
My point was that you can't turn his opinion into more than his opinion.

AndyJohnson said:

That is what is supposed to happen. Why would it be shocking that he is actually doing an independent investigation independently?


So you think the first you would hear of that is Albert Breer giving it as his opinion of why it is taking so long?
You think Breer would take that inside scoop and just mention it in passing in a radio interview?



Then why would we not?

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What does an independent investigation have to do with not giving status updates? Independent just means that the league or the teams involved will not interject.

Goodell has not hinted that this is the process, because if he did the media will demand/want a step by step account

Rob0729 said:

He was commenting on the Florio piece:



He is talking about hypothetical punishments raised by Florio.

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He referred to Florio stating a deadline of draft day, they were his own words that the Patriots could lose picks.
Again, he is saying what he thinks. You want to add meaning to some of it and not to other to further your opinion or hopes.
Everything he said is his opinion and if it were fact based, he would be thrilled to say so.

patman52 said:

What does an independent investigation have to do with not giving status updates? Independent just means that the league or the teams involved will not interject.

Goodell has not hinted that this is the process, because if he did the media will demand/want a step by step account

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What?
Independent means Wells does an investigation and then gives the results to Goodell.
This thread implies he is communicating the events of his investigation back. That is the opposite of what he was asked to do and what Goodell has said he is doing.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I'm in the camp that Breer knew nothing, knows nothing and will never know anything

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I'm with you, Colonel Hogan.

AndyJohnson said:

Exactly. Thats why its silly for you to say he has inside information because he is 'plugged in'.

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You are twisting my words. He could have sources that have told him off the record that Wells spent X number of days in the last three week in the league offices and Colts' offices interviewing key personnel. He cannot report that.

And him being plugged into the league has nothing to do with the Wells investigation specifically.

No he doesn't. He can say "According to league sources the delay may be based upon Wells looking at how the Colts and the league handled the week leading up to the game". That is perfectly acceptable if he really had that info.
Instead, he said I know lawyers take forever, and I guess they are looking at that too.

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Again, you don't understand what I am saying. If he has information Wells and his team has spent a considerable amount of time interviewing Kensil or Grigson in recent weeks, he cannot report the investigation is being held up because Wells has turned his attention to the league and the Colts. He may know that based on the evidence, but he cannot report that because no one told him outright.

I don't think that is true.

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When Goodell was asked about it in the league meetings he said he spoke to Wells about the investigation a few weeks earlier.

What does any of that have to do with Albert Breers opinion being touted as inside information? Again, what does he gain by saying "I think" instead of actually reporting it a story, you know, like doing his job.

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He gains keeping his reputation by not doing what many people at ESPN have done during this process by not having the entire story and only reporting the parts he can confirm. You don't run with a story unless you have all the facts from the source. Not just pieces of the facts.

If the Pats lose a pick from the Jets filing that tampering charge, I'll take up bird watching as a hobby instead of buying NFL products.

There is literally zero, and I mean zero, chance the Patriots lose any sort of draft capital. None. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a goddamned moron. We are so past the point of that even being a concern that it's ridiculous someone brought it up.

The threat is whether or not the Patriots will be exonerated fully or if there will be some bulls*** explanation of "well there is no evidence that they didn't cheat so it's inconclusive" which would be the equivalent of a guilty verdict for everyone looking to hammer the Pats. There is no question the Patriots deserve full exoneration. There is objective scientific proof and a whole boatload of circumstantial evidence that shows that not only are the Pats innocent of any wrong doing but that the allegations made against us were libel and slanderous. But will they get it? I think yes since I believe it was Kraft that ordered Wells to investigate the entire thing.

Rob0729 said:

Yeah, either they have the Pats red handed and are looking for more times they did this or they have turned their attention away from the Patriots and looking at the entire process of what led up to this.

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This would mean that both Belichick and Kraft lied through their teeth when they stated with absolute certainty that they had done a complete internal investigation that revealed absolutely no wrongdoing on their part. And Kraft reiterated that when he said the Wells Investigation had " no smoking gun. "

I put the likelihood of that at zero.

AndyJohnson said:

What?
Independent means Wells does an investigation and then gives the results to Goodell.
This thread implies he is communicating the events of his investigation back. That is the opposite of what he was asked to do and what Goodell has said he is doing.

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Independent investigations do not mean no contact. It means that he is investigating on his own authority. He still reports back to Goodell and gives status reports.

Ivan said:

This would mean that both Belichick and Kraft lied through their teeth when they stated with absolute certainty that they had done a complete internal investigation that revealed absolutely no wrongdoing on their part. And Kraft reiterated that when he said the Wells Investigation had " no smoking gun. "

I put the likelihood of that at zero.

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I never said they had the Pats red handed. I am saying that either they do (which is unlikely) or they have turned their attention to other aspects like what the league and Colts did and knew.

AndyJohnson said:

What?
Independent means Wells does an investigation and then gives the results to Goodell.
This thread implies he is communicating the events of his investigation back. That is the opposite of what he was asked to do and what Goodell has said he is doing.

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Goodell has never said what you describe is the case, he never said he does not get status updates, just that he does not know when it will end definitively. Independent just means that the league is not pointing him in any direction or away from any target. I find it unreasonable to assume that Goodell is not getting status feedbacks, or he never would have said that he expects it to end soon which was 2 weeks ago. Now I don't believe he wants or ever asked for interview transcripts daily, but I am talking about general topics. such as Columbia completed their findings, The union told a certain player(s) not to talk to me. All the film has been reviewed etc. Your scenario is like the chief of police telling a detective to solve the mayor's murder and don't talk to me until it is solved.

Rob0729 said:

I never said they had the Pats red handed. I am saying that either they do (which is unlikely) or they have turned their attention to other aspects like what the league and Colts did and knew.

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I'm just responding as to why I don't believe it is about catching the Patriots "red handed. If the past is any indicator Kraft would have responded very differently had their in house investigation turned up evidence pointing to the Patriots breaking any rules regarding league protocols. When it happened with Spygate he rolled immediately and that led to the penalties being severe and meted out immediately. I think the reason Kraft responded so heatedly at the press conference was because their investigation showed absolutely no wrongdoing and he was furious that the league office was leaking to make it look that they did.

As far as the Colts the only potential wrongdoing would be tampering with the game ball, however they could be looking at Grigson contacting Kensil and Kensil going rogue and trying to frame the Patriots, which I still believe was at the core of this whole fiasco.

Ivan said:

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As far as the Colts the only potential wrongdoing would be tampering with the game ball, however they could be looking at Grigson contacting Kensil and Kensil going rogue and trying to frame the Patriots, which I still believe was at the core of this whole fiasco.

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The single game ball with 2+ psi below minimum will NEVER be any cause for a colts tampering charge (unless they have video of them surreptitiously removing air. ) The ball was in play and being lugged around and landed on by 300lb men and then had to be psi checked at least 3 times.

By definition of checking, you lower the psi. To check you have to let some air past the football valve and into the tester, onto the pressure sensor. So NFL will just wave that off and say the officials and colts checking unintentionally caused too much psi loss.

Gumby said:

The single game ball with 2+ psi below minimum will NEVER be any cause for a colts tampering charge (unless they have video of them surreptitiously removing air. ) The ball was in play and being lugged around and landed on by 300lb men and then had to be psi checked at least 3 times.

By definition of checking, you lower the psi. To check you have to let some air past the football valve and into the tester, onto the pressure sensor. So NFL will just wave that off and say the officials and colts checking unintentionally caused too much psi loss.

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Lol which should be a violation, since only a referee is allowed to check a football... No official or colt can.

My guess is they are awaiting a report from a 'Science' source on the temperature versus pressure issue (e.g. Columbia University). My recollection is the manufacturer denied the BB statement. So, there may be a second report forthcoming from the manufacturer (three, if Kraft commissioned a report as well).