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I think that Chicago is a baseball town like NY too. The Bears are big there like the Giants are in NY and NJ, but Cubs fans are diehard and so are the W Sox fans.

The Red Sox didn't win a thing for 86 years and still had a rabid fan base. I don't even like baseball or the Red Sox, but know that Boston is a baseball town. The Red Sox will lose and the fans still show up. I agree, some Patriot 3 -13 seasons will clean house and then you will see who owns Boston for real.
The "rabid fan base" of the Red Sox didn't care enough to show up to Fenway on a nightly basis until 1967. Before that season they only cracked 20K per game once. Since then, they've done it routinely. 1994 was the Patriots' 1967. The Patriots made a huge jump in popularity in the 1990s even without championship teams or a decent stadium.
 
Agree 100 percent. Since the age of 8 I have been a rabid football fan. Also loved MLB as a kid but grew into a casual baseball fan. Then the strike killed it for me and selfish lazy asses like Ramirez with their guaranteed contracts plus lack of competitive balance with rich teams vs. poor teams made me despise pro baseball. Not to mention the steroid scandals, juiced balls for the all-star game home run derby, boring pace stretching games to four hours-plus, etc., etc. MLB and NBA have become watered-down "sports entertainment" where the NFL is the Real McCoy. I think guaranteed contracts in the other sports is a big part of their downfall.

You know what's odd Tunes? Nowhere in this thread have I seen PEDs mentioned, even though it also influenced my thinking about leaving MLB. It stuck in my craw that some day kids would be looking at stats and declare that Rafael Palmero was better than Willie Mays.

I'd also throw in hockey as the "real deal" too. Plus, they seem to be decent guys. I remember being at the Sheriton Mount Royale for a few Canadiens games during the Orr era. From what I hear the latest group is just as good to their fans.
 
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Well 1960 you need to take the FULL blame for my "oldman's trip down me memory lane. It was your original post that got me reminiscing. And now you've done it again with your comment going down the local field to see kids play., And thus .....and other rant

Personally, I'd like to see ANY kids down the local parks playing anything. Ever notice that regardless of the day of the week or the weather, when you drive by a local playground or field, they will be empty. Pretty much devoid of any activity other than dog voiding.

When I was a kid it was pretty much SOP at the end of school to run home, change clothes, grab the appropriate clove, bat, or ball and head for the playground where you would always find plenty of kids to get some kind of game going. We played Basketball, Box ball, 5-5 back stop baseball, and all manner of touch flag and tackle football (2 on 2 - 4-4, 6-6, etc)

There was no adult supervision, we just played and played until dinner time and kids started to get called back home. Or to my great embarrassment, my mother was too dignified to just yell out the window, so when it was time for me to go home, she rang a bell. :eek: How when I think back on these days about all the valuable lessons I learned then. How to make friends, conflict resolution, socialization, toleration and sometime intoleration.

We grew up so much on those playgrounds in so many ways. Now where I drive bay those empty green places, I rarely ever see anything as simple a several kids just playing a pick up game of anything. I wonder, where are they learning how to grow up,. make friends, and learn lessons.

Kids don't play sports anymore. Now they join "leagues" with organizations, uniforms' schedules, "traveling teams" dinners, and worst of all, tons of Parents. Almost no such thing as a "pick up game" of anything anymore. PLAY is no longer a spontaneous activity amongst kids . I grieve for their loss, because I remember how good it was for me.

I have ranted too long already, and you can blame 2960 for that again. However if you ever want to get into a discussion on why every succeeding generation seems to be more fearful, isolated, insolated, insensitive and selfish, I would suggest we all look to the empty playgrounds and kids who don't know how to play for some of your answers.

Another post that hits the mark.

It's so funny that you would mention the bell. There was a family that lived behind us with 14 children, and they used to use a cow bell to round the kids up. It got to be that I'd use it to help me make it home on time. That family alone had 4 or 5 of the best athletes in the city.

I often tell younger people that I'm glad that I grew up when I did. Having more kids around my age to play with was great. We would sometimes use the empty space in the center of the cemetery or move another 1/4 mile to a Park with 4 LL fields and 2 HS fields.

One of my sons was in the last group of kids that played in pick-up baseball games, and they rarely had full teams. Most of the time we played we had to get down to the field in a hurry to get a spot.

Ahhhhhhhhh, the good old days.
 
Another geezer here.

In the 60s I loved my Celtics (Russell Championship era), followed the Red Sox almost every game thru the summer and embraced the 1960 AFL Patriots day one. Never got into hockey as I couldn't skate. Got thrown off pond ice hockey in HS for crashing into people because I couldn't stop or turn much.

In the late 50s we'd go down to the grammar school ballfield and play 9 outs. No organized sports. I had to drop out of boy scouts because with asthma (no inhalers, etc. then) I missed too many meetings. Never once played on an organized sports team although by HS the asthma was infrequent enough such that I could play after school tackle football on the town fields. Loved that. My 1st time ever playing basketball (asthma...could not do anything sports in middle school) was in 10th grade as I'd moved into a new town Winchester and guys asked me to be on their intramural team because they needed a warm body to sub in so they could take a breather. I was so confused on court that I took a shot at the wrong basket. Fortunately it was an air ball. We lost 88-10. We were the talk of the HS. Good way to get known.

Anyway, I lost interest in MLB even with the 67 Sox. The Pats by decade's end were my #1 as they have remained since. Stuck with the Celts until a few years post Bird. Played pickup football for a couple decades and pickup basketball until I was 59. I have no idea who's who in NBA today or who won the World Series.
 
Another geezer here.
In the 60s I loved my Celtics (Russell Championship era), followed the Red Sox almost every game thru the summer and embraced the 1960 AFL Patriots day one. Never got into hockey as I couldn't skate. Got thrown off pond ice hockey in HS for crashing into people because I couldn't stop or turn much.
In the late 50s we'd go down to the grammar school ballfield and play 9 outs. No organized sports. I had to drop out of boy scouts because with asthma (no inhalers, etc. then) I missed too many meetings. Never once played on an organized sports team although by HS the asthma was infrequent enough such that I could play after school tackle football on the town fields. Loved that. My 1st time ever playing basketball (asthma...could not do anything sports in middle school) was in 10th grade as I'd moved into a new town Winchester and guys asked me to be on their intramural team because they needed a warm body to sub in so they could take a breather. I was so confused on court that I took a shot at the wrong basket. Fortunately it was an air ball. We lost 88-10. We were the talk of the HS. Good way to get known.
Anyway, I lost interest in MLB even with the 67 Sox. The Pats by decades end were my #1 as they have remained since. Stuck with the Celts until a few years post Bird. Played pickup football for a couple decades and pickup basketball until I was 59. I have no idea who's who in NBA today or who won the World Series.

FWIW, if you were to give the NBA another shot I think you might like it. I'll be the first to agree that it was near-unwatchable for a few years there, but the coaching on both sides of the ball has evolved over the past 5-10 years, and the result is a game that's way more interesting and entertaining, IMO. It's not just about isolations and dumping the ball into the post anymore; all of today's successful teams emulate the '08 Celtics on D and the present Spurs on offense. There are still a few holdouts, like the Lakers, but that's a big part of the reason why the Lakers are a godawful dumpster fire.

Basically means that the whole game is about ball movement, spacing, and moving without the ball. It's pretty common these days to see offenses with four players out on the perimeter, making quick passes to try to beat the defense to a spot and catch them off balance. And anyone who can't shoot simply doesn't play, unless he can get to the basket at will or play lockdown D.
 
Celtics closing in on the playoffs yeeeeah. This team has an amazing I bright future thanks to Danny Ainge and Brooklyn's severe incompetence.
 
I think that Chicago is a baseball town like NY too. The Bears are big there like the Giants are in NY and NJ, but Cubs fans are diehard and so are the W Sox fans.

The Red Sox didn't win a thing for 86 years and still had a rabid fan base. I don't even like baseball or the Red Sox, but know that Boston is a baseball town. The Red Sox will lose and the fans still show up. I agree, some Patriot 3 -13 seasons will clean house and then you will see who owns Boston for real.

Agree to a point. I mean the Cubs play in a freakin' pit and have had losing seasons forever (White Sox don't make the cut). But, everyone here loves their Hawks. I would say more then the Bulls. Though, that was probably different during the Jordan era.
 
The "rabid fan base" of the Red Sox didn't care enough to show up to Fenway on a nightly basis until 1967. Before that season they only cracked 20K per game once. Since then, they've done it routinely. 1994 was the Patriots' 1967. The Patriots made a huge jump in popularity in the 1990s even without championship teams or a decent stadium.

1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town
 
1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town
No, it's a bean town.
 
1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town
Length of dedication is not the same as intensity of dedication. My point was that sometimes a franchise needs a shot in the arm, whether it's a miracle season, new ownership, new stadium, whatever. Yes, the Red Sox are more ingrained here, but to assume that Patriots fans will abandon ship after a few bad seasons is an assumption based on the situation 25 years ago, which has changed in many ways.
 
1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town

If you dont live in Boston or New England for that matter, you really have no say in this matter.

Just find it funny that the only people that still call Boston a baseball town are out of towners.
 
1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town

The Red Sox sell out streak only went back to 2003 to 2013. That's 10 years. The Patriots streak goes to 1993 (and nobody in their right minds would ever claim that they were good back then). That's double.

That being said, the Red Sox have a lot more seats to sell, but are also in a much more convenient downtown location, play in nicer weather and have better pricing options. Cases can be made for both teams. However, once you look at the attendance records and streaks of the Celtics and Bruins the real truth becomes clear. Bostonians are professional sports fans and aren't loyal to only one team. I'm good with that.
 
Celtics closing in on the playoffs yeeeeah. This team has an amazing I bright future thanks to Danny Ainge and Brooklyn's severe incompetence.

The Smelltics closing in on a PO spot will do absolutely nothing whatsoever to help their non-amazing,
non-bright future, unless you consider a decade of 8th-seed, one-and-done seasons amazing & bright.
 
1967 to today is almost 50 years of dedication. The RS have 3 WS appearance's to show for it.

1994 to today is 21 years. The Pats have been to the SB 7 times.

Boston is a Red Sox town
Only eight losing seasons in almost fifty years.
Longest down stretch was three losing seasons.
It is not difficult to remain dedicated with those results unless one is a full-fledged bandwagon fan.
That's not even considering how the national media has portrayed going to Fenway to be a chic and trendy thing to do for some time now. That draws many vacationers, and area businesses giving tickets away to visiting clients and vendors.

If we are going to use the argument of 'let's see what happens if/when the Patriots have a down stretch', then the same needs to be said for the Red Sox. I think we saw that when the alleged sellout streak continued to a sea of empty seats in 2012.

Full disclosure: I don't live in the Boston, and have not in some time. However, I do visit on a nearly annual basis for from two to four weeks, almost exclusively in the summer. Looking around and speaking to friends and relatives - in the midst of baseball season (and in the deadest part of the Patriots' and NFL's year) - it is very apparent (even when conversing with those who were die-hard baseball-first fans growing up) that the Patriots come first from the Cape to southern New Hampshire and west to 495.

As noted earlier, perhaps if the debate is very strictly limited to those that reside within the city limits of Boston, or live within five miles of Fenway, then perhaps an argument can be made - though even then at the very least it is a close call. In my opinion the days of the Boston area being a 'baseball town' are long gone.
 
I think that Chicago is a baseball town like NY too. The Bears are big there like the Giants are in NY and NJ, but Cubs fans are diehard and so are the W Sox fans.

The Red Sox didn't win a thing for 86 years and still had a rabid fan base. I don't even like baseball or the Red Sox, but know that Boston is a baseball town. The Red Sox will lose and the fans still show up. I agree, some Patriot 3 -13 seasons will clean house and then you will see who owns Boston for real.
Were you born yesterday? The Bears OWN Chicago, always have. Boston used to be a baseball town but the Patriots specifically and NFL in general eclipsed that years ago. The only city where baseball trumps football is St. Louis. Everywhere else the NFL rules by wide margins.
 
As a resident of Boston, born and raised, I can say that culturally, the Red Sox have been the most historic and most famous team in this town's history, thanks to all the legends and lore. But Boston is first and foremost a sports town, more so than a baseball town. We are one of the few lucky cities to have accomplished franchises in all four major pro sports, each with their own devoted fan followings. And there's a HUGE cross-section of fans that constantly go from one team to the other. If you were to poll the fans, I doubt that most of them would say they prefer one specific team over the other. Bostonians have love for ALL their teams.

Now if we're talking about the entire region of New England, that's a different story. Pats win that debate by a MILE. But a lot of that has to do with the fact that the NFL is the most prolific and most popular Sports league in the nation. More than any other pro sport, Football is more likely to have a larger regional reach, and I think the same applies here.
 
As a resident of Boston, born and raised, I can say that culturally, the Red Sox have been the most historic and most famous team in this town's history, thanks to all the legends and lore. But Boston is first and foremost a sports town, more so than a baseball town. We are one of the few lucky cities to have accomplished franchises in all four major pro sports, each with their own devoted fan followings. And there's a HUGE cross-section of fans that constantly go from one team to the other. If you were to poll the fans, I doubt that most of them would say they prefer one specific team over the other. Bostonians have love for ALL their teams.

Now if we're talking about the entire region of New England, that's a different story. Pats win that debate by a MILE. But a lot of that has to do with the fact that the NFL is the most prolific and most popular Sports league in the nation. More than any other pro sport, Football is more likely to have a larger regional reach, and I think the same applies here.

The most historic and famous Boston team is the Celtics.
 
The most historic and famous Boston team is the Celtics.

It depends. If we're talking about the most famous/historic Boston team for the rest of the country, then I'd agree (The Celtic's seventeen championships are the most for any NBA franchise, and account for 25.4% of all NBA championships.) But if it's the the most famous Boston team to Bostonians themselves....it becomes much more debatable. Red Sox have deep deep roots here. The intensity goes back generations - over a hundred years! -and still resonates nowadays, despite baseball's lower numbers/sales/popularity vs. the NFL.

Boston and St. Louis are easily the 2 most devoted baseball towns in the country (Chicago and NY might be the third- or fourth-most) . The only thing that separates the two cities is that St. Louis has not nearly enjoyed the same degree of success in other pro sports, and so loyalties and allegiances focus mainly on baseball. Boston is obviously, a different story. We are a very lucky town indeed!
 
Never bought into the ****ty of Boston sports culture. The troglodytes eschewed if not despised the Bill Russell Celtics (Russell is black!) and worshiped the non-performing Red Sox while sabotaging Bob (He's a Jew!!) Kraft from building a Patriots stadium in Boston. A Big GFY to the Boston sports culture.

I for one am grateful that it's the New England Patriots and not the Boston Patriots.
 
The Smelltics closing in on a PO spot will do absolutely nothing whatsoever to help their non-amazing,
non-bright future, unless you consider a decade of 8th-seed, one-and-done seasons amazing & bright.
Just like not tanking year after year after year has done for the Rockets, Trail Blazers, Grizzlies, and Mavs. None of them have top picks they had to draft. C's have outsourced their tank to Brooklyn. Plus, nobody is going to want to sign with a team that is never in the playoffs. I'd rather go to the playoffs then be suck forever like the Kings.
 
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