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Ratings were well below initial forecasts. Bad games played a part as well a general apathy. Thursday games were actually the first step towards games going proprietary on NFLN. Now they are going to CBS.....hopefully, with better games.

If the NFL had a 162 game schedule.............how many games would you watch? Do you think some who watch Sunday would not?

If there was as much football on TV as baseball.......football would have lower ratings. The carnage of failed spring football efforts prove that.

Yea good points, I'd probably still watch a lot of football, at the very least have it on in the background most days if it was on like baseball is.. but I'd also be a lot more willing to plan differently on Sundays and not worry about missing the holy day of football
 
Question, do you currently live in the Boston/New England area?

Not trying to be a dink, just asking...
No, although try and get back for the 4th every year. I'll summarize here because of limited time. Baseball is a game in which you can put your feet up, fall asleep and wake up in time for the last few innings. There is no contest regarding excitement. Heck, hockey is freakin' faster than any Boston sport and the Bruins come in last on my list. Baseball is slow and the writers are ****s; no argument from me.
Members here discuss the youth gravitating to football. I agree, although, no one mentioned the dark cloud currently hovering over football. Brady said he would allow his son to play football. That statement made news.
The media is going to broadcast the $$$$$$. Talk radio is going to talk about what the majority of people want because they want $$$$$. I would value whether Boston was still a baseball town due to the airwaves versus what members are saying on a football website. That is only logical.
 
For the first time in a long time i listened to felger and mazz....they couldn't think of 1 city that would rather have a ring in baseball over football. If you could only pick 1 ring baseball or football...pretty much every single city would vote football IMO
 
For the first time in a long time i listened to felger and mazz....they couldn't think of 1 city that would rather have a ring in baseball over football. If you could only pick 1 ring baseball or football...pretty much every single city would vote football IMO

Yup

Now patsfans.com is resigned to using the genius of Felger and Mazz to prove another patsfans.com idiot theme.

Baseball is bigger in St Louis, Detroit, New York. Go to San Fran ......I don't think I have ever seen anyone wear anything 49ers related.

Was in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Was talking to a store that does world distribution. Last year they sold more Pirates gear than Steelers.

Here is the breakdown

NFL revenue $9.7 billion, MLB $9.1 billion. One per team basis, they are about equal.

Last year, 3 of 4 teams in the wild card round almost didn't sell out....that never happens in baseball.

Exactly what non bandwagon city does the football team clearly dominate? Chicago, Philly, Houston, Minneapolis......not really...maybe LA?

I don't get the inferiority complex that Patriots only fans have. Maybe it will be justified when a string of 3-13 and 4-12 seasons show up.
 
You are very angry.

who are you angry at?
 
Cher is way more popular than Taylor Swift!
Yup

Now patsfans.com is resigned to using the genius of Felger and Mazz to prove another patsfans.com idiot theme.

Baseball is bigger in St Louis, Detroit, New York. Go to San Fran ......I don't think I have ever seen anyone wear anything 49ers related.

Was in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Was talking to a store that does world distribution. Last year they sold more Pirates gear than Steelers.

Here is the breakdown

NFL revenue $9.7 billion, MLB $9.1 billion. One per team basis, they are about equal.

Last year, 3 of 4 teams in the wild card round almost didn't sell out....that never happens in baseball.

Exactly what non bandwagon city does the football team clearly dominate? Chicago, Philly, Houston, Minneapolis......not really...maybe LA?

I don't get the inferiority complex that Patriots only fans have. Maybe it will be justified when a string of 3-13 and 4-12 seasons show up.
Offering a gentle suggestion: don't waste your time.
 
Yup

Now patsfans.com is resigned to using the genius of Felger and Mazz to prove another patsfans.com idiot theme.

Baseball is bigger in St Louis, Detroit, New York. Go to San Fran ......I don't think I have ever seen anyone wear anything 49ers related.

Was in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Was talking to a store that does world distribution. Last year they sold more Pirates gear than Steelers.

Here is the breakdown

NFL revenue $9.7 billion, MLB $9.1 billion. One per team basis, they are about equal.

Last year, 3 of 4 teams in the wild card round almost didn't sell out....that never happens in baseball.

Exactly what non bandwagon city does the football team clearly dominate? Chicago, Philly, Houston, Minneapolis......not really...maybe LA?

I don't get the inferiority complex that Patriots only fans have. Maybe it will be justified when a string of 3-13 and 4-12 seasons show up.
Wow. Life in Cleveland really DOES suck! If I were you I'd just go jump in the lake and end the misery. o_O
 
Yup

Now patsfans.com is resigned to using the genius of Felger and Mazz to prove another patsfans.com idiot theme.

Baseball is bigger in St Louis, Detroit, New York. Go to San Fran ......I don't think I have ever seen anyone wear anything 49ers related.

You think NY fans would want a yankee ring more then a jets ring right now? San Fran is big into baseball..but they wouldn't want a 49ers ring right now over Giants? Detroit? Lions have NEVER made a SB...don't think they want it more? I can guarentee if you looked at ratings...all those football teams will be drawing in bigger crowds then baseball teams.

Everyone wants to talk about revenue. Pink hats contribute to that. We are talking die hards. All of my buddies..every single one of them watches every single pats game...those same guys..maybe 1/2 watch the sox and don't even watch every game..maybe 1 game a week ect. It's like that all over. This is nothing new
 
The Raiders get more publicity than the Giants here in the bay the freakin Raiders maybe not in SF particularly but the bay area fanbase is usually 49ers, Raiders, Giants, As, Warriors and Sharks in that order football like I said before is just another monster
 
I know plenty of baseball die hards and even most of them didn't care about the Red Sox last season. There is definitely an older generation that have the Red Sox square in their hearts based on what the team did in the 60s and 70s when these people were kids. For those people that will always be the case and won't change. It will be different for this current generation. Based on the popularity of the NFL and the number of special moments over the years, good and bad, I think the Pats are going to be the team that the current generation of fans will most remember.

Looking anecdotally at my own kids, I think they know more soccer players than they do baseball players, and I watch neither sport at home. Does a baseball video game even exist anymore? I don't know because my son has never asked for one. He does ask for Madden and FIFA games though since that is what his friends are playing.

I'm one of those older generation Sox fans who dumped them along with MLB. I've enjoyed every minute of their absence and would suggest it to anyone.
 
I'm one of those older generation Sox fans who dumped them along with MLB. I've enjoyed every minute of their absence and would suggest it to anyone.

Why'd you break up with the Sox?
 
I am probably typical of my generation. When I was throwing a baseball up against a brick wall of the Franklin Field projects, I not only knew the starting line up of the Sox, I probably knew every OTHER American League team as well.

The Celtics were an early love as well. One of my Uncles was a season ticket holder and my Dad had a 2nd job working a concession stand at the Garden, so I saw a lot games during the Russell era. Later because of a friendship with a former Celts player, I played on the Celtics FO tag football team, so I was around the team in a very tangential manner during the Bird years.

Hockey required skates and equipment and those were budget breakers in my youth, so I never played hockey until I was in HS, though I played quite a bit in college in local leagues, and went nuts with the "big bad Bruins" in the late 60's and early 70's like the rest of the town. I actually worked in bars where I had to throw out Wayne Cashman (a good drunk) and Gerry Cheavers (not so much) on a regular basis. And yes, Bobby Orr was a gracious and nice guy even then. I actually knew Derrick Sanderson socially, and I don't know what stories you've ever heard about him, but odds are they were true. But another remarkably nice guy.

Football was always my personal love, because I played and coached the game. I was in the 7th or 8th grade when the Pats were founded and my dad took me to a couple of games that year. 10 years later I actually got to play for early Pats icons like Bob Dee and Ross OHanely with the Quincy Giants. In my 40's I played the Pats front office in tag football under the lights at Sullivan Stadium, or whatever they were calling it then. A very cool experience even as I remember it now. My roots were deep in the Pats long before BB led us out of the wilderness

There is no question that this town is all about the Patriots now. How could it not be, given the disparity between 16 and 162 games. But if were truly honest, I'd have to say that World Series win in 2004 was by far the most meaningful emotional and important one. I guess 86 years is just a lot longer than 3o something. ;) Maybe you'll understand it better if I explain it this way.

Think about how you felt after losing the 2 superbowl games.....without ever having those superbowl wins......and almost every time you lost in the playoffs.....it was against the Jets (Yankees) :eek: And it happened over and over again until you grew to expect it....... until one day it didn't. THAT was what the 2004 world series win meant to this area. The Pats have the best fans, and how they came out to the parade this winter is a great testament to that. However people didn't go out to cemeteries and talk to gravestones like they did after 2004.

Its kind of interesting that perhaps its the recent Sox wins in 2007 and 13 have made it easier to shed the remnants of our baseball love. I barely follow the game until September and only then if they are in the race. But its like the other teams. It's always better if a local team is in their sport's playoffs. But I'll live if they get knocked out. Sometimes I wonder when the Pats lose their last game. ;)

I can't believe the similarities between us Ken. I'm positive that we were at some of the same Celts games in the 60s.

The only difference between us is which sport I liked the most as a kid and went on to coach, and for me that was baseball. Don't get me wrong, I loved football too, but nothing gave me more enjoyment as a kid than standing on a mound pitching or hitting the sweet spot of the bat. Now I'd rather go down to the HS or LL field to see baseball.

Football became the king to me, and that was before the Pats won the SB.
 
Why'd you break up with the Sox?

Thanks for asking.

It started with the strike and the change in attitude of the players. I enjoy athletics and they want to be known as entertainers. The lack of hustle compared to the players I watched growing up is astounding and I can't accept that either, even if the current baseball fans do (the same can be said about the NBA). I also don't care at all for the Sox ownership. I really think Manny Ramirez was the last straw. I had already moved away from MLB, but he put me over the top.

It has actually made me feel better knowing that I gave up on MLB.
 
Yup

Now patsfans.com is resigned to using the genius of Felger and Mazz to prove another patsfans.com idiot theme.

Baseball is bigger in St Louis, Detroit, New York. Go to San Fran ......I don't think I have ever seen anyone wear anything 49ers related.

Was in Pittsburgh over the weekend. Was talking to a store that does world distribution. Last year they sold more Pirates gear than Steelers.

Here is the breakdown

NFL revenue $9.7 billion, MLB $9.1 billion. One per team basis, they are about equal.

Last year, 3 of 4 teams in the wild card round almost didn't sell out....that never happens in baseball.

Exactly what non bandwagon city does the football team clearly dominate? Chicago, Philly, Houston, Minneapolis......not really...maybe LA?

I don't get the inferiority complex that Patriots only fans have. Maybe it will be justified when a string of 3-13 and 4-12 seasons show up.

I think that Chicago is a baseball town like NY too. The Bears are big there like the Giants are in NY and NJ, but Cubs fans are diehard and so are the W Sox fans.

The Red Sox didn't win a thing for 86 years and still had a rabid fan base. I don't even like baseball or the Red Sox, but know that Boston is a baseball town. The Red Sox will lose and the fans still show up. I agree, some Patriot 3 -13 seasons will clean house and then you will see who owns Boston for real.
 
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I read the article as saying that we really won't know what the Patriots mean to Boston until the Brady/Belichick era is over.

We know what the Sox meant to Boston, with a fan base whose loyalty spanned 1918 to 2004. We know that even Pats preseason games are today widely viewed.

Will the current Pats fanbase stick with the team through the "thin" that will follow the "thick?" Or will those of us who remember the days BK (Before Kraft) be left loyally following their every move while others lose interest?

It's a fair question. Judging from how quickly some abandon even these Pats in Gameday threads and during the Ravens game and SB XLIX, I'm not so sure of the answer.
 
I read the article as saying that we really won't know what the Patriots mean to Boston until the Brady/Belichick era is over.

We know what the Sox meant to Boston, with a fan base whose loyalty spanned 1918 to 2004. We know that even Pats preseason games are today widely viewed.

Will the current Pats fanbase stick with the team through the "thin" that will follow the "thick?" Or will those of us who remember the days BK (Before Kraft) be left loyally following their every move while others lose interest?

It's a fair question. Judging from how quickly some abandon even these Pats in Gameday threads and during the Ravens game and SB XLIX, I'm not so sure of the answer.

Fans are the same everywhere and judging them by the runts of the litter isn't an accurate assesment.

One of the problems we face as Pats fans is that our team keeps doing things that no other team does or has done so we still get surprised.

Even Scott Zolak called the game over when they went down by 14 the second time vs Baltimore.
 
Fans are the same everywhere and judging them by the runts of the litter isn't an accurate assesment.

One of the problems we face as Pats fans is that our team keeps doing things that no other team does or has done so we still get surprised.

Even Scott Zolak called the game over when they went down by 14 the second time vs Baltimore.
Point taken. But, we don't know what percentage of our current fans are "runts" and which are the kind who stuck by the Sox from 1918 to 2004, including the night of Buckner.
And, there's a difference between thinking a game is "over" when a team falls behind by 14 twice and the despondency in an average game day thread.
 
Thanks for asking.

It started with the strike and the change in attitude of the players. I enjoy athletics and they want to be known as entertainers. The lack of hustle compared to the players I watched growing up is astounding and I can't accept that either, even if the current baseball fans do (the same can be said about the NBA). I also don't care at all for the Sox ownership. I really think Manny Ramirez was the last straw. I had already moved away from MLB, but he put me over the top.

It has actually made me feel better knowing that I gave up on MLB.
Agree 100 percent. Since the age of 8 I have been a rabid football fan. Also loved MLB as a kid but grew into a casual baseball fan. Then the strike killed it for me and selfish lazy asses like Ramirez with their guaranteed contracts plus lack of competitive balance with rich teams vs. poor teams made me despise pro baseball. Not to mention the steroid scandals, juiced balls for the all-star game home run derby, boring pace stretching games to four hours-plus, etc., etc. MLB and NBA have become watered-down "sports entertainment" where the NFL is the Real McCoy. I think guaranteed contracts in the other sports is a big part of their downfall.
 
I can't believe the similarities between us Ken. I'm positive that we were at some of the same Celts games in the 60s.

The only difference between us is which sport I liked the most as a kid and went on to coach, and for me that was baseball. Don't get me wrong, I loved football too, but nothing gave me more enjoyment as a kid than standing on a mound pitching or hitting the sweet spot of the bat. Now I'd rather go down to the HS or LL field to see baseball.

Football became the king to me, and that was before the Pats won the SB.
Well 1960 you need to take the FULL blame for my "oldman's trip down me memory lane. It was your original post that got me reminiscing. And now you've done it again with your comment going down the local field to see kids play., And thus .....and other rant

Personally, I'd like to see ANY kids down the local parks playing anything. Ever notice that regardless of the day of the week or the weather, when you drive by a local playground or field, they will be empty. Pretty much devoid of any activity other than dog voiding.

When I was a kid it was pretty much SOP at the end of school to run home, change clothes, grab the appropriate clove, bat, or ball and head for the playground where you would always find plenty of kids to get some kind of game going. We played Basketball, Box ball, 5-5 back stop baseball, and all manner of touch flag and tackle football (2 on 2 - 4-4, 6-6, etc)

There was no adult supervision, we just played and played until dinner time and kids started to get called back home. Or to my great embarrassment, my mother was too dignified to just yell out the window, so when it was time for me to go home, she rang a bell. :eek: How when I think back on these days about all the valuable lessons I learned then. How to make friends, conflict resolution, socialization, toleration and sometime intoleration.

We grew up so much on those playgrounds in so many ways. Now where I drive bay those empty green places, I rarely ever see anything as simple a several kids just playing a pick up game of anything. I wonder, where are they learning how to grow up,. make friends, and learn lessons.

Kids don't play sports anymore. Now they join "leagues" with organizations, uniforms' schedules, "traveling teams" dinners, and worst of all, tons of Parents. Almost no such thing as a "pick up game" of anything anymore. PLAY is no longer a spontaneous activity amongst kids . I grieve for their loss, because I remember how good it was for me.

I have ranted too long already, and you can blame 2960 for that again. However if you ever want to get into a discussion on why every succeeding generation seems to be more fearful, isolated, insolated, insensitive and selfish, I would suggest we all look to the empty playgrounds and kids who don't know how to play for some of your answers.
 
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