Here is why you shouldn't get mad if BB trades down

JMC00 · Apr 4, 2015

Traded 2nd pick of the 1st round in 2003 #19 to Baltimore for their '03 2nd round and '04 1st round. Which was used to get Vince Wilfork and Eugene Wilson

Traded 2nd 1st round pick in 2007 #28 pick for SF '08 1st rounder. Which got Jerod Mayo

Traded out of 2009 1st round (Wait for it because it is good)

Traded down in 2010 to #27 and got McCourty. While one of the picks was a 4th they used for a guy who if he hadn't murdered people would be considered an absolute steal.

Traded 2nd pick of the 1st round in 2011 for NO '12 1st round pick and '11 2nd round pick which got them Chandler Jones and Shane Vereen

Traded out of 2013 1st round and got Jamie Collins and Logan Ryan

So he's traded down 6 times in the first.
3 times he has had 2 picks in the 1st. Which both times got him a 1st in the next year's draft which were used on Wilfork, Mayo and Jones.

2 times he has traded entirely out of the 1st round '09 & '13

Did you wait for it? Because this one is probably the best one. Remember that terrible 2009 draft? "Screw BB he could have got Clay Matthews". Well NE got the #73 pick in '09 for trading down which Jacksonville decided to trade them a 2010 2nd round pick and a 2009 7th round.

Which netted Bill Belichick

So if BB trades out of the 1st round in 3 weeks I don't want to hear your crying.

BB pretty much owns when trading down

Username · Apr 4, 2015

I'll be mad but only because I'll have stayed awake till crazy o'clock for nuthin

The Gr8est · Apr 4, 2015

You can't really expect the people, who know more about drafting and building a championship team than BB does, not to complain.

There are actually many of these people on this very site.

BlueThunder · Apr 5, 2015

With 9 picks and not many holes, do we see a trade UP ???

Probably not, but I can always dream.

meatface · Apr 5, 2015

in bill we trust

supafly · Apr 6, 2015

Yeah, either way we just don't know what BB and the scouts think about the quality of the positions we may be targeting this year vs. next year.

That's just one variable that would justify accumulating extra picks for 2016 and beyond.

supafly · Apr 6, 2015

BlueThunder said:
With 9 picks and not many holes, do we see a trade UP ???

Probably not, but I can always dream.

Normally, I am the poster boy for the "we don't have many needs" opinion as it pertains to the draft, but I'm not banging that drum quite as hard this particular spring. I think we have some holes to fill, and that Belichick will likely set the team up nicely for 2016 and beyond via a trade down or two. Of course, you could hit it straight on, and BB may go the other way. I always think that's a possibility, but I'm guessing the "right guy" isn't there more than every several years.

I could envision the following:

Offense

1) Interior OL--one or two

2) Tackle--dependent on what Belichick feels regarding the futures of Solder/Vollmer, and where Cannon/Fleming may end up. It may be a long shot, but I could see an attempt at upgrading the quality. I'd put it in the same category as say....LB

3) RB--one or two

4) WR

Defense

1) DT

2) CB--one or two

3) Safety

4) LB--again, probably another long shot like tackle, but I can't say I'd be shocked, especially with the injury situations with Mayo + Hightower, along with the contracts that are approaching in the future

Crazy Patriot Guy · Apr 6, 2015

We all know how it will go. We'll watch the entire 1st round go absolutely nothing like any mocks projected. It will be like last year, when no less than 5 players I saw mocked to us with our 3rd round pick were taken before we were on the clock in the 1st. Yet when the Pats use pick 32 for someone most mocks had as a mid 2nd, so many on here will be screaming how we could have traded down and still landed him or even waited until the end of the 2nd. Book it.

DarrylS · Apr 6, 2015

Get your radios warmed up, because as much as the mediots understand this team, the first week in May will be saturated by those who will seek to discredit BB and his choices... and will lace the conversation with terms like Chad Jackson, Tavon Wilson..

The "draft experts" are all being put on retainer so they can offer their insight..

Borges and Shaunessy are getting their keyboards tuned.. Felger is getting a new microphone.

I do not bother to stay up on Thursday night as there is a 50-50 choice that that choice will be kept..

convertedpatsfan · Apr 6, 2015

BlueThunder said:
With 9 picks and not many holes, do we see a trade UP ???

Probably not, but I can always dream.

Why?

Do you get excited when gas prices go up and you have to pay more?

Do you root for beef prices to go up before going grocery shopping?

Do you hope for multiple bidders on the house you want so you can say you won a bidding war?

If so, then I understand the desire to trade up for the sake of trading up.

Otherwise, why the heck would you want to pay more than you have to for an asset?

I'd rather see someone we want drop down to us than want to trade up for that guy.

A guy like Wilfork was projected to go into the top 15, and dropped to us thankfully. The cost to move up to even 15 from 21 would have likely been a 2nd rounder. In both scenarios, you get Vince.

There are times it makes sense to trade up because the cost of doing so vs. the value you get out of it is worth it. But wanting to trade up to make a splashy move makes little sense. You move up if you have to move up, but otherwise, you should be cheering for those prices to drop.

convertedpatsfan · Apr 6, 2015

JMC00 said:
Traded out of 2013 1st round and got Jamie Collins and Logan Ryan

Don't forget the 7th used to trade for Blount the first time. I guess we won't count Boyce just yet, but I haven't given up hope.

nabwong · Apr 6, 2015

Pick 32 will be traded. Don't even bother to stay up. Some team will see Gurley or whoever on some mediots' mock draft and be thinking how smart they are for making a first day steal.

BlueThunder · Apr 6, 2015

heh....Didn't realize that the trade up for a coveted player was such a big deal for some here. With 9 picks BB could trade up into the 20's to nab someone they really like. Yes, Wilfork fell to the Pats but as pointed out in other threads BB traded UP about 20% of the time to grab a player he really wanted.

I have no idea how BB's board will look on draft day. Maybe there are a bunch of players rated equally and a trade down is more likely.

Pats already have about 77 players on a 90 man roster for TC. If a trade is done, it probably will be out into 2016 to improve their pick for next year, I can see them trading out a 3rd rd pick for a second next year if they get a partner.

Rob0729 · Apr 6, 2015

BlueThunder said:
With 9 picks and not many holes, do we see a trade UP ???

Probably not, but I can always dream.

Belichick has traded up in the first round or to get into the first round (four times) almost as many times has he has traded down. People seem to not realize. that

FCB02062 · Apr 6, 2015

I'm not normally one who advocates the "trade down for value" stuff, but this year I'm in favor of it. With pick 64, 96, and 97 the Pats pretty much "own" Day 2 of the draft (at least I think, I don't have the time to scan to see how many picks other teams have on day 2), but if they could trade that #32 pick for a couple of more picks on day 2 and perhaps a future pick I would love it. Plus, it'd make watching the draft on Day 2 much more fun. I would love to see them come out of Day 2 with 4 or 5 players from rounds 2 & 3.....

chasa · Apr 6, 2015

JMC00 said:
<strike>Traded 2nd pick of the 1st round in 2003 #19 to Baltimore for their '03 2nd round and '04 1st round. Which was used to get Vince Wilfork and Eugene Wilson

Traded 2nd 1st round pick in 2007 #28 pick for SF '08 1st rounder. Which got Jerod Mayo

Traded out of 2009 1st round (Wait for it because it is good)

Traded down in 2010 to #27 and got McCourty. While one of the picks was a 4th they used for a guy who if he hadn't murdered people would be considered an absolute steal.

Traded 2nd pick of the 1st round in 2011 for NO '12 1st round pick and '11 2nd round pick which got them Chandler Jones and Shane Vereen

Traded out of 2013 1st round and got Jamie Collins and Logan Ryan

So he's traded down 6 times in the first.
3 times he has had 2 picks in the 1st. Which both times got him a 1st in the next year's draft which were used on Wilfork, Mayo and Jones.

2 times he has traded entirely out of the 1st round '09 & '13

Did you wait for it? Because this one is probably the best one. Remember that terrible 2009 draft? "Screw BB he could have got Clay Matthews". Well NE got the #73 pick in '09 for trading down which Jacksonville decided to trade them a 2010 2nd round pick and a 2009 7th round.

Which netted Bill Belichick

So if BB trades out of the 1st round in 3 weeks I don't want to hear your crying.

BB pretty much owns when trading down

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Because he's the best coach/gm of all time, and the complainers are just regular people with 50/50 hindsight and zero track record.

Triumph · Apr 6, 2015

There is a 2 - 3 year window with Brady at the helm. After 10 years of trying to find a CB and striking out, everyone just saw what happens when the Pats have a real CB on the roster. Stockpiling lower round CBs is too big a gamble.

If there is a CB in this draft worth trading up for then now is the time pull the trigger.

Trycked · Apr 6, 2015

Username said:
I'll be mad but only because I'll have stayed awake till crazy o'clock for nuthin

Late at night, after the kids are asleep, is when the networks start showing the adult shows. Each BB draft is like watching a porno, you know he's going to screw someone, you just want to see how it happens, to whom, and if it involves multiple positions.

IllegalContact · Apr 6, 2015

I don't care about trading down

Hoever, I am still angry about Ras-I Dowling, Darius Butler, Ron Brace, Tyrone Wheatley, Jermaine Cunningham, Aaron Dobson, Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson, and Adrian Klemm

PatsFanInVa · Apr 6, 2015

The draft isn't just a crap-shoot; it's a casino, where some teams are playing roulette and putting it all on red, some teams are playing slots, etc. Some guys are playing nickel slots, and came in on a bus that gives you $25 to get you started and the subsidized bus ticket is only 10 bucks. Add in that the gambler jones applies: Some guys will draw up a legal instrument to give you $25 in chips tomorrow for $15 in chips today. Add in that a few teams actually can play table games, and you are allowed to count cards.

The one thing that's constant is that you go in knowing how much you can play and don't hit the ATM 10 times while you're in there, no matter how convinced you are that THIS bet is a sure thing. At least not regularly. That level of sure thing doesn't come around in every draft, although a few poor-drafting teams are convinced that every year or two there's someone worth those types of moves.

I would not be surprised by any specific move the Pats make, or any specific pick. I don't know that I heard anybody talking about Jamie Collins pre-draft. The Pats more than most tend to get accused of "reaching," because their evaluation of talent doesn't tend to follow the press herd. Of course, that's without knowing who else is ready to pull the same trigger.

Feh. We do okay

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