A ring for the thumb: Can Brady win Five Superbowls?

Voted the homer, yes he will this season, answer. but really I know the NFL season is so long and fate is so injury driven (does anyone doubt a healthy gronk doesn't mean they already have #5) that it is just impossible to say.

But the thing is the core is still there. Complain about the shredded secondary, if you like, but they didn't have the more typical fire-sale or having to reward half the team with bloated salaries situations that most sb winners deal with. So a sb shot is very possible"

JMC00 said:

What pickle? More than likely making it to a 5th straight AFC Title game?

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Oh come on. I know the offseason isn't over yet but we have major needs on interior OL & DL, 2 of our starting LB's are rehabbing from major surgery and we are without 2 starting corners atm.

glm said:

No one said anything about luck, but the Patriots didn't "dominate" the game.

Let's look at it quarter by quarter.

1st Quarter: No one scored. Pats second possession they drove down the field, but then threw an interception in the endzone. Considering none of the teams scored, then I'm giving the quarter to the team that got a turnover. Yes the Patriots drove down the field, but it was all for nothing. That's bend but don't break.

2nd Quarter: They both scored twice, commited no turnovers. It's a tie.

3rd Quarter: Seattle outscored the Pat's 10-0 and caused a turnover.

4th Quarter: Pat's score twice and cause a turnover.

So no, the Patriots didn't dominate. None of them did. It was a close, competitive game. In fact, Seattle had the upper hand going into the 4th quarter. The reason why they won is because they had an amazing 4th quarter.

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This post is so stupid that my original response was all that was needed. You either didn't the game or you were too drunk to know what actually happened . The Patriots outplayed Seattle in the first, Second, And fourth quarters. Seattle outplayed the Patriots in the third. Don't believe me then go actually watch it.

Ivan said:

This post is so stupid that my original response was all that was needed. You either didn't the game or you were too drunk to know what actually happened . The Patriots outplayed Seattle in the first, Second, And fourth quarters. Seattle outplayed the Patriots in the third. Don't believe me then go actually watch it.

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Another post devoid of facts that, yet again, has fallen on deaf ears. If you're point is so easy to make then use some factual evidence to back it up.

glm said:

Another post devoid of facts that, yet again, has fallen on deaf ears. If you're point is so easy to make then use some factual evidence to back it up.

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If you actually watched b the game and came away with the conclusion that the 1st quarter was a draw them nothing I say will ever change your mind. The Patriots controlled the first half until the last few minutes of the 2nd quarter and Sound FX even caught Brady saying it on the bench.

Feel free to believe whatever you want but I know what I saw and I know from talking to many people about the game that the vast majority of people who watched the game felt the same. Was it a great game, yes. Was it close at the end yes. Was it a toss up in terms of the play during the game, absolutely not, the Patriots outplayed Seattle and most saw it that way.

glm said:

Another post devoid of facts that, yet again, has fallen on deaf ears. If you're point is so easy to make then use some factual evidence to back it up.

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After your post that the first quarter was a draw it's clear that fact has nothing to do with it.Russell Wilson didn't even complete a pass until the were five minutes left in the half. On the other hand Brady was moving the Patriots offense up and down the field against the Seattle defense. And the fourth quarter was all Patriots. Seattle outplayed the Patriots in the 3rd period but that was it.

Anything is a real possibility with Brady, and you would have to be a fool to count him out. It's in his DNA to Never give up and play to last second. He's a winner and expects nothing less from his team. Lets get No.5 and while we're at it, get No.6 too.

VectorPrime said:

If Brady wins Super Bowl 50 he will have officially won 10% of all Superbowls ever played. Including the half century one.

Think about that.

I want this. I want this sooo bad.

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There's no doubt that Super Bowl 50 is very special, and it would be all the more special for Brady to return to San Francisco, where the game will be hosted. If he and the Pats make it there, he'll have an opportunity to surpass his childhood idol, Joe Montana, and play in the same vicinity where he grew up!

Personally, I'd love for the Pats to have another shot at Green Bay. What better place for Brady to duel with Aaron Rodgers, than at the Super Bowl

Ivan said:

If you actually watched b the game and came away with the conclusion that the 1st quarter was a draw them nothing I say will ever change your mind.

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That is such a cop out response. How about you bring your knowledge to the forefront instead of keeping it in the dark.

The Patriots controlled the first half until the last few minutes of the 2nd quarter and Sound FX even caught Brady saying it on the bench.

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You initially brought up the first quarter so it'd be nice if you stayed on subject. In the first quarter, the Patriots earned 75 yards, and the result of all those yards was no points and an interception. That is called "bend but don't break," which is a defensive concept that our own coach Bill Belichcick has touted for years. That drive by the Patriots reminds me of the first drive (if I'm recalling correctly) that the Colts had in the AFC Championship game in 2003. Manning drove the Colts down the field like Brady did, and he threw an interception (to Rodney Harrison) just like Brady did. What the Patriots displayed their, just like the Seahawks did, was text book bend but don't break defense. That was the biggest drive of the quarter and the Seahawks won that battle.

Feel free to believe whatever you want but I know what I saw and I know from talking to many people about the game that the vast majority of people who watched the game felt the same. Was it a great game, yes. Was it close at the end yes. Was it a toss up in terms of the play during the game, absolutely not, the Patriots outplayed Seattle and most saw it that way.

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You talked to many people about the game and the vast majority of people who watched the game felt the same way.

Why do I get the feeling that this isn't true in the slightest. I mean, if it is, then I give you hella kudos. Tracking down the millions of people who watched the game just to get their opinions on whether the Patriots dominated the game or not.

And let's remember your original quote:

What has been lost in all the " they should have run beast mode " talk is that it was the Patriots who dominated the game.

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Being down 24-14 at the start of fourth quarter is not a sign of dominate play. The only time the Patriots were dominating was in the fourth quarter. Their dominant play in the fourth quarter is what won them the game. Not their play in the first three quarters. Their play in the first three quarters resulted in a 24-14 score. As I've been saying literally this entire time. It was a close, competitive game that the Patriots ended up winning. No team can say they dominated the other. A proper example of domination would be the game before the Super Bowl. A 45-7 blowout. That's domination, a 28-24 win that literally came down to the one yard line is not domination. It's dramatic. I don't know about you, but when the Patriots are dominating I'm not standing on the edge of my seat. I'm laughing my ass off (Like during the Colts game).

Ivan said:

After your post that the first quarter was a draw it's clear that fact has nothing to do with it.Russell Wilson didn't even complete a pass until the were five minutes left in the half.

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And here I thought that the winner was determined by the scoreboard, turns out it's really a competition to see who can complete the most passes. Boy do I feel dumb. :+(

On the other hand Brady was moving the Patriots offense up and down the field against the Seattle defense.

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One of those drives ended in an interception, and by halftime they were all tied up. This means that the collective effort of both teams resulted in a score that was equal. This means that the game was extremely close going into halftime. I fail to see where the domination is. Would you like to point it out to me? I would really appreciate it.

glm said:

And here I thought that the winner was determined by the scoreboard, turns out it's really a competition to see who can complete the most passes. Boy do I feel dumb. :+(



One of those drives ended in an interception, and by halftime they were all tied up. This means that the collective effort of both teams resulted in a score that was equal. This means that the game was extremely close going into halftime. I fail to see where the domination is. Would you like to point it out to me? I would really appreciate it.

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I already did but using your minimalist logic it makes no difference. The Patriots were clearly outplaying the Seahawks throughout the first half and everyone who actually watched the game knows that. You can pretend otherwise we all you wish.

Green Bay has to be the hungriest team out there. It's been 5 years since Arodgers has been in the big game. You gotta think he breaks through soon. Green Bay has been through some excruciating losses in the postseason--I expect them to be one of the last if not last team standing.

When Brady won Lombardi no.4, he looked like Steve Young in 1994--its like he "got the monkey off his back". I have never seen Brady so happy and so appreciative. Pats will be in the mix, but I don't think they get no. 5 this year.. Knowing how difficult and how satisfying Lombardi no. 4 was, I am not sure the hunger will be there for NE. Pats might "take a year off from the SB" like 2002 and get back to work in 2017 lool

If Belichick adequately reshapes his starting Secondary then there is every reason to feel optimistic about the Patriots chances.

ALP said:

Remember: the game against Seattle really wasn't as close as the score indicated

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Ivan said:

Actually it makes perfect sense. What has been lost in all the " they should have run beast mode " talk is that it was the Patriots who dominated the game. Could Seattle have won it, absolutely, but the fact is the better team won the game, they didn't get lucky.

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Oh come on. that game was incredible and one of the best, if the not the best ever... but let's not act like we controlled the entire game. yes, we played well for more MINUTES than they did. but that's not the same thing. I was just re-watching it on nfl network, as it was voted the greatest game of all time. We punted, down 10, with like 13 mins in the fourth quarter. That is far from domination. At that point, we basically needed a quick stop, a score, a stop, and a quick score. plus stopping their last effort after that. We did not dominate that game. We played against a hell of a seattle team. we were a better team, but it took every last effort

I'm still ecstatic they beat the Rams...the rest has been gravy.

Will they/Won't they? With BB and Brady anything is possible.

gitgronked82 said:

Oh come on. that game was incredible and one of the best, if the not the best ever... but let's not act like we controlled the entire game. yes, we played well for more MINUTES than they did. but that's not the same thing. I was just re-watching it on nfl network, as it was voted the greatest game of all time. We punted, down 10, with like 13 mins in the fourth quarter. That is far from domination. At that point, we basically needed a quick stop, a score, a stop, and a quick score. plus stopping their last effort after that. We did not dominate that game. We played against a hell of a seattle team. we were a better team, but it took every last effort

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I don't disagree that it was a great game that out took everything to win it, however the Patriots completely outplayef the Seahawks in the first half and the fourth quarter, but much like the Green Bay game the Seahawks made big plays and clutch plays and those made it tough.

There has been a narrative since the Super Bowl that the Patriots were lucky and my point is more that they weren't lucky they were the better team.

Ivan said:

There has been a narrative since the Super Bowl that the Patriots were lucky and my point is more that they weren't lucky they were the better team.

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I think it was a perfect combination of both skill and luck, which is what most of the SB winners need to go the distance.

I'd have us winning the 1st (even though the score was tied) and 4th (clear victory).

I'd have them winning the 2nd (even though the score was tied), and 3rd (clear victory).

Luckily, they don't keep score by quarters, or we'd have had to play overtime

Overall, I think the game was similar to the last time they played, where NE was up 23-10 with about six minutes remaining, only to lose. Both were closely contested fights, both saw the other side come back furiously at the end, and both times we had good offensive schemes scoring into the mid-high 20s.

And for the record, right or wrong, I still would much rather play SEA than have faced GB. I will always believe that things went our way when the Seattle player recovered that onside kick.

Again, there are many who will disagree, but you'll never convince me otherwise. I liked the matchup vs. the Seahawks much better. Luckily, we never have to know

supafly said:

And for the record, right or wrong, I still would much rather play SEA than have faced GB. I will always believe that things went our way when the Seattle player recovered that onside kick.

Again, there are many who will disagree, but you'll never convince me otherwise. I liked the matchup vs. the Seahawks much better. Luckily, we never have to know

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We disagree on the second quarter but other than that there isn't much to argue about. As I said before Russell Wilson didn't even complete a pass until there were five minutes to go in the second quarter and had it been the other v way around all we would have heard was how lucky the Patriots were to even be in the game.

As for Green Bay it's hard to say. The Patriots almost best them in Green Bay and they flat out sucked on the road. I agree that facing Wilson is preferable to facing Rodgers but I would rather face Green Bay's defense than Seattle's.

Ivan said:

I already did but using your minimalist logic it makes no difference. The Patriots were clearly outplaying the Seahawks throughout the first half and everyone who actually watched the game knows that. You can pretend otherwise we all you wish.

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You say clearly, yet you present absolutely clear case at all. And "everyone who watched the game"... This is just utterly ridiculous. You want me to believe that you somehow know everybody's point of view. All the millions of people that watched the Super Bowl, and you know what every one of them thinks. Your posts in this thread have been embarrassingly foolish. You're accusing me of using minimalist logic, yet appears I'm the only one using any logic at all in this conversation.