Potential Day 1 Starters at LG?

Ivan · Apr 4, 2015

manxman2601 said:
Considering the lack of options outside of day one, I do wonder whether there's a draft day trade on the back burner for Evan Mathis. BB has made no attempt so far to fill this obvious vacancy but he must have some sort of plan. Is he that confident about finding a starter in the draft?

I would love to see them make the trade for Mathis and draft Erving, that would be one of the best scenarios for really upgrading the OL that I can think of. They are going to be facing really good defensive lines in their division and great interior DL, so for me having a great OL across the board is the best way to ensure Brady's health and make sure that the offense can operate to it's fullest against them.

mgteich · Apr 4, 2015

As we are starting to conclude, we would like to see a signing or trade by the time we pick at 32. If not, it will be hard to pass on the likely first game starters available at 32.

Sure, a starter might be found at 64 or in the 3rd, as was the case with Stork. Obviously, the Stork case was very, very different. We had Plan B with Connolly starting at C, and Plan C with Wendell starting at center. So, Stork could have been anywhere from #1 to #3 on the depth chart and we would still have been fine as Stork develops.

Now, the Plan B is Kline and the Plan C is Devey.
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BOTTOM LINE
pc has not succeeded in convincing herself or many of us that we will or should pass on an OG with our first pick.

mgteich · Apr 4, 2015

Luxusdk said:
Doesnt matter if Gurley are there when we pick

Last projection I saw, Gurley was in the top 10. He certainly will be in the Top 16 unless there is significant negative medical news before the draft.

ashley · Apr 4, 2015

Luxusdk said:
Doesnt matter if Gurley are there when we pick

Whether he is available or not, I don't think we can afford to draft a running back in the first round when we have holes at DT, CB and Guard. I am hoping that we go those three positions early and often in the draft!!!!!

Ochmed Jones · Apr 4, 2015

mihap said:
Wat u guys think bout signing Stefan Wisniewski? He was center for Raiders and i read that he has experience with guard position. Dont know if RG or LG.

I would feel very comfortable with wisniewski at log, but two things....

1 wisniewski needs to prove he is healthy. I think the fact he is not signed, is because he is not healthy.

2 when wisniewski gets healthy, he will have lots of suitors and I doubt bb goes to the salary level needed to sign him.

also when looking at the tape for cann and miller, the thing I notice is they are road graders, but not ideal fits for our zone blocking scheme.

The Florida state o linemen fit our system perfectly, but will bb invest a high pick in one of them? I tend to doubt it.

cstjohn17 · Apr 4, 2015

Hmm.. after the Mankins home run it makes sense to consider a guard in the first round. I wonder how high the confidence factor must be to pull the trigger on a RG which is one of the lowest paid positions in the NFL versus somewhat of a risk at other premium positions.

Personally I am torn between the beauty of a starting caliber RG that can play 3 downs immediately versus most positions which are 2-3 downs max and often take years to develop. So is a stud WR year 3 worth as much as a 5 year starter at RG.

Given the state of the offensive line; they have a young starter at Center, low depth at Guard amd long term uncertainty at tackle with Vollmer and Solder potentially leaving after the season. I wouldn't draft a LG in round 1 unless they could slide to tackle in year 2.

manxman2601 · Apr 5, 2015

ashley1992 said:
Whether he is available or not, I don't think we can afford to draft a running back in the first round when we have holes at DT, CB and Guard. I am hoping that we go those three positions early and often in the draft!!!!!

The question is,can we afford to pass on a talent like Gurley? I wouldn't mind having a Beastmode or Adrian Peterson on my team for the next five years. Gurley is good, really good.

manxman2601 · Apr 5, 2015

What are peoples views on Shaq Mason of Georgia Tech. He certainly passes some filters:

Has been worked out by Dante.
32" vert, 4.65 shuttle.
Very experienced OL with over 40 starts. Has 12 at LG.
Potentially dominant run blocker and arguably the quickest feet in the draft for interior linemen.

My second favourite interior lineman after Erving. Mason's size is suppressing his stock (6'1.5") but his experience skill-set and athleticism are not preventing him from being a day one starter. Mason is one of the best OGs in college football. And his size isn't a complete knock, he's the same as Wendell now, bigger than when Wendell came out.

Just some more on Mason.

1. He may only be 6'1.5" but he weighed in at 310lbs. Stork was 315lbs.
2. Ali Marpet is considered one of the more athletic guards in this draft quite rightly. Aside from the 3-cone and shuttle where Marpet is 2/10ths better than Mason, Mason is a match in all the other athletic tests.
3. Mason has short arms at 31" but his wingspan is 77 1'2", nearly an inch bigger than BJ Finney for example.

Luxusdk · Apr 5, 2015

I think he is a Center only prospect, that sayed, didnt really scout him since Guge prefer bigger guys, atleast those Pats got last year + those from miami/jets was all 6.4 315+. Admit its a small sample size and who is it really there picks the OL for Patriots?

manxman2601 · Apr 5, 2015

Luxusdk said:
I think he is a Center only prospect, that sayed, didnt really scout him since Guge prefer bigger guys, atleast those Pats got last year + those from miami/jets was all 6.4 315+. Admit its a small sample size and who is it really there picks the OL for Patriots?

One thought I did have was to put Mason in at centre (or Wendell again, Mason to RG) and move Stork to LG. It's not optimal but an option.

ATippett56 · Apr 5, 2015

mgteich said:
As we are starting to conclude, we would like to see a signing or trade by the time we pick at 32. If not, it will be hard to pass on the likely first game starters available at 32.

Sure, a starter might be found at 64 or in the 3rd, as was the case with Stork. Obviously, the Stork case was very, very different. We had Plan B with Connolly starting at C, and Plan C with Wendell starting at center. So, Stork could have been anywhere from #1 to #3 on the depth chart and we would still have been fine as Stork develops.

Now, the Plan B is Kline and the Plan C is Devey.
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BOTTOM LINE
pc has not succeeded in convincing herself or many of us that we will or should pass on an OG with our first pick.

Now, the Plan B is Kline, Plan C is Barker, Plan D is to boot Devey off the roster.

OhExaulted1 · Apr 5, 2015

manxman2601 said:
What are peoples views on Shaq Mason of Georgia Tech. He certainly passes some filters:

Has been worked out by Dante.
32" vert, 4.65 shuttle.
Very experienced OL with over 40 starts. Has 12 at LG.
Potentially dominant run blocker and arguably the quickest feet in the draft for interior linemen.

My second favourite interior lineman after Erving. Mason's size is suppressing his stock (6'1.5") but his experience skill-set and athleticism are not preventing him from being a day one starter. Mason is one of the best OGs in college football. And his size isn't a complete knock, he's the same as Wendell now, bigger than when Wendell came out.

Just some more on Mason.

1. He may only be 6'1.5" but he weighed in at 310lbs. Stork was 315lbs.
2. Ali Marpet is considered one of the more athletic guards in this draft quite rightly. Aside from the 3-cone and shuttle where Marpet is 2/10ths better than Mason, Mason is a match in all the other athletic tests.
3. Mason has short arms at 31" but his wingspan is 77 1'2", nearly an inch bigger than BJ Finney for example.

I like Mason as a late RD/UDFA score.

Sid Lane · Top Commenter · Marietta, Georgia
ok, readily admit I'm a homer (2nd gen gt) but Shaq Mason is a frakin' BEAST! the man is a human earth mover - he certainly laid some pavement over Miss St's, FSU's, Georgia's & Clemson's DLs! some team is going to get a starter for the price of a hotdog - I'd say hopefully Atlanta but since we kept Dmitroff I'm not holding my breath...

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=110149&draftyear=2015&genpos=WR
I search for these kind of comments. Are they from some "proffesional evaluator". No. But I think that should be a term used very loosely.

That said, Cam Erving, Tre' Jackson or Josue Matias joining Stork in the middle sounds intriguing. Big school, big stage, lots of experience....something in me says one of these guys would make sense.

Still like Jones (CB, Uconn) if he's there, but my eyes are beginning to narrow on interior lineman now that FA is almost over. Connolly is taking visits but hasn't signed elsewhere and we've had Wisneiwski in, but as of right now this looks like a weak link

patchick · Apr 5, 2015

Just wanted to note two names that were not on my initial list: Laken Tomlinson and Tre Jackson. I've seen a bunch of recent Patriots mocks with those names on day 2, but I do not project them to LG. Here's why:

- Both played RIGHT guard exclusively in college. Not every player can switch sides, and most LGs come from the ranks of college LTs and Cs.

- Neither player has the athletic profile to project to the left side. They're hefty, powerful, and extremely slow-footed; essentially mini Marcus Cannons.

- An OL with Jackson/Tomlinson, Stork, Fleming, Cannon just might be the single least mobile, least athletic line in the entire NFL.

I know that the team has been leaning more toward the "road graders" lately, but I don't see it paying dividends. I really hope this isn't the way they go.

captain stone · Apr 5, 2015

manxman2601 said:
What are peoples views on Shaq Mason of Georgia Tech. He certainly passes some filters:

Has been worked out by Dante.
32" vert, 4.65 shuttle.
Very experienced OL with over 40 starts. Has 12 at LG.
Potentially dominant run blocker and arguably the quickest feet in the draft for interior linemen.

My second favourite interior lineman after Erving. Mason's size is suppressing his stock (6'1.5") but his experience skill-set and athleticism are not preventing him from being a day one starter. Mason is one of the best OGs in college football. And his size isn't a complete knock, he's the same as Wendell now, bigger than when Wendell came out.

Just some more on Mason.

1. He may only be 6'1.5" but he weighed in at 310lbs. Stork was 315lbs.
2. Ali Marpet is considered one of the more athletic guards in this draft quite rightly. Aside from the 3-cone and shuttle where Marpet is 2/10ths better than Mason, Mason is a match in all the other athletic tests.
3. Mason has short arms at 31" but his wingspan is 77 1'2", nearly an inch bigger than BJ Finney for example.

I would consider shorties like Mason & John Miller only as UDFAs. We need OLmen with both size & athleticism. For that reason I want nothing to do with Laken Tomlinson & Tre Jackson either.

Brady6 · Apr 5, 2015

Ali Marpet is the player I want at LG. People talk a lot about competition level but he was the best player in the trenches all week during the senior bowl.

Brady6 · Apr 5, 2015

mgteich said:
Last projection I saw, Gurley was in the top 10. He certainly will be in the Top 16 unless there is significant negative medical news before the draft.

Who projected Gurley in the top 10? He will go somewhere between 15-25 most likely.

Brady6 · Apr 5, 2015

manxman2601 said:
The question is,can we afford to pass on a talent like Gurley? I wouldn't mind having a Beastmode or Adrian Peterson on my team for the next five years. Gurley is good, really good.

If Gurley is there we need to draft him or trade the pick for a bounty. I cannot see Gurley being there at the latest I think the Cowboys would take him.

Brady6 · Apr 5, 2015

manxman2601 said:
What are peoples views on Shaq Mason of Georgia Tech. He certainly passes some filters:

Has been worked out by Dante.
32" vert, 4.65 shuttle.
Very experienced OL with over 40 starts. Has 12 at LG.
Potentially dominant run blocker and arguably the quickest feet in the draft for interior linemen.

My second favourite interior lineman after Erving. Mason's size is suppressing his stock (6'1.5") but his experience skill-set and athleticism are not preventing him from being a day one starter. Mason is one of the best OGs in college football. And his size isn't a complete knock, he's the same as Wendell now, bigger than when Wendell came out.

Just some more on Mason.

1. He may only be 6'1.5" but he weighed in at 310lbs. Stork was 315lbs.
2. Ali Marpet is considered one of the more athletic guards in this draft quite rightly. Aside from the 3-cone and shuttle where Marpet is 2/10ths better than Mason, Mason is a match in all the other athletic tests.
3. Mason has short arms at 31" but his wingspan is 77 1'2", nearly an inch bigger than BJ Finney for example.

This is the problem with Mason in my opinion. His size becomes an issue with these hybrid nascar fronts because he is facing players who are long edge players. I wouldn't draft him for LG but I actually do like him as an upgrade over Wendell at RG.

Honestly I would love to see how Mason's athleticism translates on the other side of the ball as an interior DL. He played LT and DT I. high school.

Ivan · Apr 5, 2015

ashley1992 said:
Whether he is available or not, I don't think we can afford to draft a running back in the first round when we have holes at DT, CB and Guard. I am hoping that we go those three positions early and often in the draft!!!!!

I disagree. Anytime you can get an all pro caliber player you take it unless there is absolutely no need for it at all such as QB for the Patriots. If they see Gurley as an Adrian Peterson caliber running back then they should go ahead and take him and target players to fill bigger needs with their other picks. I wouldn't pass on a super star caliber player to reach for need, that's how you screw yourself. And if he is that caliber and you put him in this offense it will be scary good. That said RB is not their biggest need and if they don't think he is of that caliber I would expect them to pass.

Ivan · Apr 5, 2015

manxman2601 said:
The question is,can we afford to pass on a talent like Gurley? I wouldn't mind having a Beastmode or Adrian Peterson on my team for the next five years. Gurley is good, really good.

That's how I see it as well. I have Erving and Byron Jones at the top of my list at #32 but if Gurley did fall to them I can definitely see taking him and then either trying to move back up to get one of them or taking the next best prospect at those positions. Same thing goes for WR, if a guy like Parker somehow feel to them then should seriously consider it. I dont see that happening not do I see them going WR in the first but as with Wilfork when the great player drops then b take them, even if you planning on addressing a greater need first, you can always find another way to meet the needs but all pro caliber players are rare and you shouldn't bypass them when they are there.

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