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Houston Antwine voted in to Patriots' Hall of Fame


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Well I guess we are going to have to part ways on this one, Ray. From what little I know Billy Sullivan was a self serving, self promoting thief .....and I don't know it all.

BTW- If you think that if it wasn't for Sullivan, there wouldn't be pro football in the Greater Boston area, you really don't understand demographics. At the time Boston was the 6th largest TV market in the country with one of the best pro sports markets in the country. So if for some reason the AFL or NFL might have passed on the Pats in 1960, there would have no doubt been a team in the area before the end of the decadee, whether Billy Sullivan existed or not.

How many teams are in LA? and they have a lot more land available.

I'm not denying he was a thief, just ask those guys in Philadelphia who had a news conference scheduled for Monday to announce the new Philadelphia football franchise.
 
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OK it was actually the 1966 team that was the Champion without the crown"

Here is the 1/2 hour video....great stuff, even though it ended with the Jets knocking us out of the eastern division championship and a chance to have played in that first Super Bowl, which wasn't called Super Bowl back,then.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk1ODQ4MTI4.html?x

As you newbies can see Jets hatred goes way back!

Ha, that is the exact moment my hatred for the Jets began!

The Patriots had a very good team in the sixties, but first the Oilers, and then the Bills were always just a bit better. In those days there were no playoffs in either the AFL or the NFL; just two first-place teams playing for the championship. A second place finish meant no post-season.

The 1966 season turned out to be the last hurrah for that group, though I never would have guessed it at the time. Parilli was 36 and it was about a decade before the Patriots got another decent QB. After a slow start (in part due to consecutive road games, as they couldn't play at Fenway yet) the Pats went 7-1-1 over the next nine games. The tie was at Kansas City and it looked as though there would be a rematch with the Chiefs for the AFL championship - and a chance to represent the league in the first-ever game against the NFL champions. This was a really big deal for kids my age, even if it was not so for those of my parents' generation.

All that was needed was a win against the five-win Jets, who had not beaten a team with a winning record all season. The Pats were coming off a 38-14 victory over Houston, and would surely avenge an early season tie against the Jets. Namath was in his second season as a pro and still looked raw and inconsistent, but he threw three touchdowns while Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer both ran for over 100 yards. The Patriots turned the ball over three times while not forcing any turnovers and lost, 38-28.

Perhaps they were looking ahead to KC - I truly believe the Patriots would have beaten the Chiefs. It was ten years before the Patriots would have another winning season - and another heartache - when they lost to Oakland in the Ben Dreith game. Meanwhile the Jets went on to win the Super Bowl the following year.

On top of that, at that point in time the Patriots and Red Sox were in talks with the state and city to build a new stadium at South Station, plus a new arena there for the Celtics. Tom Yawkey wanted badly to get out of Fenway, which was a craphole at that time - and the Celtics wanted to get out of being second-fiddle tenants to the Bruins in an ancient Boston Garden. The next year though the Red Sox had their Impossible Dream season, and attendance went from under 10k per game to 30k. Yawkey saw no reason to move the team with that extra cash rolling in, and the Patriots hunt for a stadium continued. Without the Sox and Pats working the politicians together for a new venue, that new stadium in the city never happened.

Apologies for the long ramble, but yeah - I hate the Jets. The Jets still suck, and will always suck.
 
Not much footage on Antwine, but you can see what a beast he was here. Think a hybrid of Easley and Wilfork. led the team in sacks three years straight, great against the run and could, out of necessity, take on double teams.

Ridiculous he wasn't one of the first inducted, but those things happen in popularity contests.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/04/03/houston-antwine-enter-patriots-hof

Some of the same footage, but Gino's comments and Houston still hanging on to that sum***** from the other vid until he coughs it up, lol.

 
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Not much footage on Antwine, but you can see what a beast he was here. Think a hybrid of Easley and Wilfork. led the team in sacks three years straight, great against the run and could, out of necessity, take on double teams.

Ridiculous he wasn't one of the first inducted, but those things happen in popularity contests.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2015/04/03/houston-antwine-enter-patriots-hof

Some of the same footage, but Gino's comments and Houston still hanging on to that sum***** from the other vid until he coughs it up, lol.


The trouble is that the old sportswriters like Hobson and Mannix aren't around to nominate them
and the old fans aren't around to vote for them.
 
I love these old time loopback posts

Namath was our nemesis
I saw his 1st game, an exhibition game vs the Pats in Lowell MA
He smoked us
It was no surprise to see him rip our hearts out when we were going for the AFL championship
 
The trouble is that the old sportswriters like Hobson and Mannix aren't around to nominate them
and the old fans aren't around to vote for them.

Always hoped Hobbie would write a book on the old pats. With all due respect, most seemed recycled from the same stories and Hobson had a great sense of humor, an important part of sticking with the franchise through the lean years.
 
Ha, that is the exact moment my hatred for the Jets began!

The Patriots had a very good team in the sixties, but first the Oilers, and then the Bills were always just a bit better. In those days there were no playoffs in either the AFL or the NFL; just two first-place teams playing for the championship. A second place finish meant no post-season.

The 1966 season turned out to be the last hurrah for that group, though I never would have guessed it at the time. Parilli was 36 and it was about a decade before the Patriots got another decent QB. After a slow start (in part due to consecutive road games, as they couldn't play at Fenway yet) the Pats went 7-1-1 over the next nine games. The tie was at Kansas City and it looked as though there would be a rematch with the Chiefs for the AFL championship - and a chance to represent the league in the first-ever game against the NFL champions. This was a really big deal for kids my age, even if it was not so for those of my parents' generation.

All that was needed was a win against the five-win Jets, who had not beaten a team with a winning record all season. The Pats were coming off a 38-14 victory over Houston, and would surely avenge an early season tie against the Jets. Namath was in his second season as a pro and still looked raw and inconsistent, but he threw three touchdowns while Matt Snell and Emerson Boozer both ran for over 100 yards. The Patriots turned the ball over three times while not forcing any turnovers and lost, 38-28.

Perhaps they were looking ahead to KC - I truly believe the Patriots would have beaten the Chiefs. It was ten years before the Patriots would have another winning season - and another heartache - when they lost to Oakland in the Ben Dreith game. Meanwhile the Jets went on to win the Super Bowl the following year.

On top of that, at that point in time the Patriots and Red Sox were in talks with the state and city to build a new stadium at South Station, plus a new arena there for the Celtics. Tom Yawkey wanted badly to get out of Fenway, which was a craphole at that time - and the Celtics wanted to get out of being second-fiddle tenants to the Bruins in an ancient Boston Garden. The next year though the Red Sox had their Impossible Dream season, and attendance went from under 10k per game to 30k. Yawkey saw no reason to move the team with that extra cash rolling in, and the Patriots hunt for a stadium continued. Without the Sox and Pats working the politicians together for a new venue, that new stadium in the city never happened.

Apologies for the long ramble, but yeah - I hate the Jets. The Jets still suck, and will always suck.

And what made that '66 season even more frustrating is that the team that won the division - Buffalo -
was beaten by the Pats, twice.
 
I'd check your post about Buffalo Dislike Captain but that's not what the icon means! :)
 
Always hoped Hobbie would write a book on the old pats.

there are not so many books about the old Pats as far as i know...

has someone info about some of them that i do not know ?
 
Oh OK. The icon must've been removed already by the next time I saw my post.
Even Namath himself was quoted after the game saying that he thought it was a shame that the Pats
lost the division after beating Buffalo twice, because he considered the Pats the better team.
 
there are not so many books about the old Pats as far as i know...

has someone info about some of them that i do not know ?

There aren't many. Before the recent success, there wasn't a lot of demand. I think you know about more than most people..

Before the recent era, the pats were last in significance of Boston sports teams. The Sox were first, even when they stunk. The Bruins teams with Orr were tremendously popular and the Celtics had maybe the greatest dynasty ever.
 
I've always been a die hard,rabid Pats fan. Took a lot of shyt for it too over the years with my buddies who were Sox, Bruins,and C's fans but followed the Giants. Hell, I was Giants fan too until the merger....but the Pats, they were like "our guys", just normal knockaround joes with local jobs in the offseason but playing their hearts out for this small yet rabid fan core.
 
I've always been a die hard,rabid Pats fan. Took a lot of shyt for it too over the years with my buddies who were Sox, Bruins,and C's fans but followed the Giants. Hell, I was Giants fan too until the merger....but the Pats, they were like "our guys", just normal knockaround joes with local jobs in the offseason but playing their hearts out for this small yet rabid fan core.

They always had a lot of heart, though it got weird around the Clive Rush era.

I was just a little kid, but i remember whining to my dad "Why can't we watch our team? I don't want to watch those Giants."

Just great to have our own team.
 
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