Jamie Collins 5th overall draft pick in ESPN's 2013 re-draft

Wheelman said:

One thing is for sure. Kiko Alonso is overrated. Wait a couple of seasons I'm sure "analysts" will see he's not as good as they thought he was.

Click to expand...

Not sure how you can say that, he outplayed his draft position his rookie year and that is all we have to go on.

Vaccaro has been a massive disappointment and Saints fans have called for his head, so I'm not sure why he'd be a top 10 pick, especially over Lotulelei and Kyle Long. Eric Reid is the best safety from that draft class. Alec Ogletree has been pretty good but it's been a fairly weak 1st round thus far. Johnathan Hankins broke out last year.

That draft gets bleak fast after the top 13 or so of Richardson, Ansah, Collins, Bell, Lacy, Alonso, Johnson, Frederick, Hopkins, Long, Hankins, Allen, and Reid.

And even Bell and Lacy are better fantasy football players than real football players.

Other guys who have at least had their moments include Robert Woods, Darius Slay, Kawann Short, Alec Ogletree, Star Lotulelei, Travis Kelce, Larry Warford, Terron Armstead, Tyrann Mathieu (pre knee injury), TJ McDonald, Terrance Williams, Markus Wheaton, Levine Toilolo, Denard Robinson, Latavius Murray, Andre Ellington, Mychal Rivera, Jordan Mills, Brian Schwenke, and Jordan Hill.

Exaggerating a little but it seems like there were more star receivers in the 2014 draft than star players in the 2013 draft.

Ivan said:

Not sure how you can say that, he outplayed his draft position his rookie year and that is all we have to go on.

Click to expand...

I disagree that he outplayed his draft position. He's just a good coverage linebacker. He can't take on blocks in the run game. This was so clear in the 2nd Bills game in 2013. A Bills fan on this board even chimed in about other games where Alonso was ineffective taking on blocks in the run game. I'm not sure what kind of worth that type of linebacker has but it's definitely not worth more than where he was picked. He's overrated.

Where do Fisher and Joeckel go in a redraft? neither has been very good but that OT class hasnt been good in general

I watched this. It was Brunell and Schiano doing the picking. Brunell picked Lacey, then Schiano picked Collins.

Either way, Jamie in round 2 was a absolute f'n steal.

Brady_to_Moss said:

And i think he will be...this kid is a stud

Click to expand...

Whew! I was hoping no would would call him a BEAST !