Brady ranked 4th Top Athlete of 1995 - 2015 by ESPN

Galeb said:

No. And unless there's a poster or two here who's rigorously trained at tennis for decades, there probably isn't anyone here that would beat her. That said, the fact that you anticipate that some dudes here think they could is beyond strange.

Then again, there's posters here who believe they're far superior at talent evaluation than BB, with just a fraction of the information available to NFL scouts. Perhaps such a post here isn't strange after all. My bad, I take back my initial post.

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I hope there is nobody that stupid on here (well there is but that is another topic)
For perspective a great golfer could hang with Tiger on a course and look like he belonged out there. I have been told that the top college tennis players wouldn't even get a point off the top pro tennis players. It would be a slaughter.

Actually, I believe Serena Williams would also be able to beat the **** out of most of the posters here in a fight.

Bruins29 said:

Actually, I believe Serena Williams would also be able to beat the **** out of most of the posters here in a fight.

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Oh oh. me first.

resdubwhite said:

Armstrong. Are you kidding me?

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No

Deus Irae said:

Yes, I'm kidding

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Fixed it for you^

Galeb said:

Golf if there's ex-presidents playing on the course.

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Tiger Woods' stretch from 2000-2008 is the most dominant stretch in the history of sports. He also fundamentally changed the image of golf.

He's 1 and nobody else is close IMO.

Deus Irae said:

No

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In all seven of your Tour de France victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope?

"Yes."

Weird thing about steroids, millions of Americans are prescribed and take them everyday for medical reasons.

No one in the sports world can recognize that numerous steroidal treatments have hermedical value that help everyday American citizens. We can only focus on it as some body-building manufacured detriment to society that only makes peolple unnatuarally large or ruins them psychologically.

Are all steroids illegal? Chime in kids.

patsinthesnow said:

Tiger Woods' stretch from 2000-2008 is the most dominant stretch in the history of sports. He also fundamentally changed the image of golf.

He's 1 and nobody else is close IMO.

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Golf is not a "sport", its a game. Who plays defense in this "sport"? You're competition is a guy who's turn was before you. You know, like chess....or darts...or pool...or beer pong.

You have no opposition to what your attempting to do. NOT a sport. It's a game

OhExaulted1 said:

Golf is not a "sport", its a game. Who plays defense in this "sport"? You're competition is a guy who's turn was before you. You know, like chess....or darts...or pool...or beer pong.

You have no opposition to what your attempting to do. NOT a sport. It's a game

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So is Gymnastics not a sport, because there's no "defense"?

resdubwhite said:

In all seven of your Tour de France victories, did you ever take banned substances or blood dope?

"Yes."

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Even playing field

The power of 21 cyclists (literally, watts generated) on L'Alpe d'Huez was compared to test Lance Armstrong's claims that his rivals' performance was 'not normal'. They then classified them from 'human' to 'suspicious', 'miraculous' and 'mutant'. The performances they point out as being impossible to achieve without doping include Armstrong - in fact, they include all but one of the 21 riders they looked at.

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-win-tour-de-france-without-doping-armstrong

Lance Armstrong took some "performance enhacers". What exactly did he take and what exactly did they do? Who gives a crap? Everyone on this high and mighty bullcrap parade is probably drinking booze and smoking cigerettes and weed everyday. Friggin joke IMO.

Free society. Take whatever you want. If it kills you it's your own damn fault. Most people do anyway.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

So is Gymnastics not a sport, because there's no "defense"?

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I'll give you that. For sure. Of course it's one of those things where "judges" "score" you. But I think gymnastics participants are fantastic athletes. If your not, you certainly won't be in a competition. That is a good point Chiuba, though. Thanks for bringing it up.

Deus Irae said:

Even playing field



http://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-win-tour-de-france-without-doping-armstrong

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but it isn't.

based on naturally occuring haematocrit levels in cyclists the benefits of EPO use can greatly improve performance.

for example. Jonathan Vaughters had a natually occuring rate of .48.
Lance down around 40. thats means he could improve performance 4 or 5 times over vaughters.

this level playing field nonsense has been going around since 12 and it simply isn't true.

also helps to have the UCI in your back pocket. Which he most definitely did.

OhExaulted1 said:

Lance Armstrong took some "performance enhacers". What exactly did he take and what exactly did they do? Who gives a crap? Everyone on this high and mighty bullcrap parade is probably drinking booze and smoking cigerettes and weed everyday. Friggin joke IMO.

Free society. Take whatever you want. If it kills you it's your own damn fault. Most people do anyway.

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http://www.independent.ie/sport/oth...hos-afraid-of-johannes-draaijer-30479202.html

resdubwhite said:

but it isn't.

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Yes, it is. 20 out of 21 cyclists had numbers that were considered humanly impossible. Essentially, the phrase "They were all doing it", is as close to literally true as it gets.


You don't agree with my post. That's fine. We're done here.

Lebron should not be above Brady.

Chiuba E. Obele said:

I'm not a big Manning fan, but I gotta say, I was really impressed by his comeback with the Broncos. He had to teach himself to pass and throw footballs after undergoing surgery, after being told that he could never again play in the NFL. But after being let go of by the Colts, he signed with the Broncos and proceeded to have one of the greatest seasons for a quarterback in 2013, before finally choking BIG-TIME in SB 48. Other than that humiliation, I would say that he's earned his dues.

A little overrated? Yes. But there's no denying his skill and talents as a quarterback.

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Yes, this is all true. He can still be a very good, if not great, athlete. However, we are talking about the elite of the elite in a worldwide comparison across all sports. To make this list, you shouldn't have enormous flaws, such as choking under pressure and being remembered as an epic disappointment when it comes to winning and leading when the stakes are the highest. Maybe he can be somewhere around 20, I don't know, but there is simply no way he should be rated higher than the athletes I listed who are as impressive statistically in their own sports but are also winners.

Just look at the list of US Athletes:

Jordan (6-time champion, 3-time champion during this period)
Shaq (4-time champion)
Kobe (5-time champion)
LeBron (2-time champion, 5-time finalist)
Jeter (5-time champion)
Duncan (5-time champion)
Brady (4-time champion, 6-time finalist)

Manning again earns the exception card because of the false notion that his team is always understaffed. He had NINE pro bowl players last season and in 2012 got to choose virtually ANY team in the NFL. His only championship came when he set records for lowest QB rating ever for a SB "MVP" and lowest QB rating ever in the playoffs for a SB winning QB. 3 TDs, 7 INTs. One game winning playoff drive in his entire career to Brady's nine.

All of the other athletes are measured by championships; Manning is measured by excuses.

Yet he is above Lionel Messi, Rafael Nadal, and Michael Phelps? Laughable.