Byron Jones

Stick with your convictions. Last year you had Jimmy Ward in the first long before anybody else and he went there. Mayo advocated Easley in the first and many including me didn't think Bill would roll the dice that way. The year Gronk came out people on here said he wouldn't be anything special and I would have rolled with him in the first round. I like Eric Rowe in the middle of the second and most consider him a third at best.

We're all just amateurs.

everlong said:

Stick with your convictions. Last year you had Jimmy Ward in the first long before anybody else and he went there. Mayo advocated Easley in the first and many including me didn't think Bill would roll the dice that way. The year Gronk came out people on here said he wouldn't be anything special and I would have rolled with him in the first round. I like Eric Rowe in the middle of the second and most consider him a third at best.

We're all just amateurs.

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Oh I will, I'm fairly comfortable with my grade of Jones. Now I'm off to find the next YouTube sensation that I can sell to the board.

Question is, does this guy has potential to be top press corner. If not than better to take Peters in first.
With all above 6,3 WR, pats need to develop some above 6 foot CB, so Peters, Jones and Rowe, and some day 3 "kind like Butler" prospect.

mihap said:

Question is, does this guy has potential to be top press corner. If not than better to take Peters in first.

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From what I've read he's more of an off man than a true press CB.

Reading the tea leaves, I don't think we're, in any way, married to press CB . . . if we were we likely would have kept Browner. It's clear that we let him walk because the defense will change with Revis gone and more off man is likely the result.

I dont expect miracles that this years CBs will be like Revis in press. Talking bout next year.
Press should be part of defensive plan cuase of mixing different schemes. Even if they play it 20%

mihap said:

I dont expect miracles that this years CBs will be like Revis in press. Talking bout next year.
Press should be part of defensive plan cuase of mixing different schemes. Even if they play it 20%

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That's fine but I think Belichick would burn himself in boiling water before taking Peters in the first round; especially if you're talking about playing to his strength only some percent of time less than 50%.

Maybe I'm wrong about Peters but the Patriots never take character risks in the first round, I can't see them starting now.

everlong said:

Stick with your convictions. Last year you had Jimmy Ward in the first long before anybody else and he went there. Mayo advocated Easley in the first and many including me didn't think Bill would roll the dice that way. The year Gronk came out people on here said he wouldn't be anything special and I would have rolled with him in the first round. I like Eric Rowe in the middle of the second and most consider him a third at best.

We're all just amateurs.

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I think it is important to evaluate in such a way that you are not all over the place. It also makes sense to be consistent about your approach and the things you look for in players cause otherwise you will just come off as very sporadic.

However, I don't think there is a need to stick to a particular grade for players though out the process if that is what you are implying. Some of my grades on players change greatly though out the process. Upon second and third look more things you did not notice pop up. Combine and pro day numbers come out. Character issues pop up or go away depending on a number of factors. Your team needs change which slightly changes your approach.

BobDigital said:

I think it is important to evaluate in such a way that you are not all over the place. It also makes sense to be consistent about your approach and the things you look for in players cause otherwise you will just come off as very sporadic.

However, I don't think there is a need to stick to a particular grade for players though out the process if that is what you are implying. Some of my grades on players change greatly though out the process. Upon second and third look more things you did not notice pop up. Combine and pro day numbers come out. Character issues pop up or go away depending on a number of factors. Your team needs change which slightly changes your approach.

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I'm saying don't be swayed by the masses opinion if your scouting tells you one thing and everybody else is screaming another. Obviously if Alfonzo Dennard punches a cop the week of the draft we're all going to downgrade him. That's much different than somebody saying well he's not on Mel Kiper's big board so there's no way that guy will go that high.

everlong said:

I'm saying don't be swayed by the masses opinion if your scouting tells you one thing and everybody else is screaming another. Obviously if Alfonzo Dennard punches a cop the week of the draft we're all going to downgrade him. That's much different than somebody saying well he's not on Mel Kiper's big board so there's no way that guy will go that high.

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Well that is fair enough then : P

BelichickFan said:

That's fine but I think Belichick would burn himself in boiling water before taking Peters in the first round; especially if you're talking about playing to his strength only some percent of time less than 50%.

Maybe I'm wrong about Peters but the Patriots never take character risks in the first round, I can't see them starting now.

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Here's the thing. Most elite CB'S are arrogant, loud mouths, and some are character risks.

AzorianPats said:

Here's the thing. Most elite CB'S are arrogant, loud mouths, and some are character risks.

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Loud mouth and have huge self confidence but the are NOT risks.

AzorianPats said:

Here's the thing. Most elite CB'S are arrogant, loud mouths, and some are character risks.

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And the "some" that you refer to are the ones you let someone else draft in the first round and trade a 4th round pick to Tampa Bay for later.

BelichickFan said:

Maybe I'm wrong about Peters but the Patriots never take character risks in the first round, I can't see them starting now.

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Well, they did take a player who had been involved in a shooting and who was suspended for stomping on opposing players during an on-field brawl at #24 overall. But "football character," including receptiveness to coaching, is a fundamental part of the player evaluation and I'm sure Peters will be getting close scrutiny on that score.

patchick said:

Well, they did take a player who had been involved in a shooting and who was suspended for stomping on opposing players during an on-field brawl at #24 overall.

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I know (referring to Meriweather, of course) but he's the only one - and, although Maroney may argue, probably the worst #1 in the Belichick era. My reason for not wanting Peters is his supposed altercations with a coach. This isn't the place for that.

BelichickFan said:

I know (referring to Meriweather, of course) but he's the only one - and, although Maroney may argue, probably the worst #1 in the Belichick era. My reason for not wanting Peters is his supposed altercations with a coach. This isn't the place for that.

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You're right... and I can't see Peters having those kinds of issues with Patricia or Belichick. Their backgrounds speak for themselves. When you're looking at pure game tape, Peters is off the charts. He would be a top 10 pick if not for the issues with the coaching staff. Play recognition, athleticism, speed, tackling, willingness to take on the run... it's all there. Plus he's probably the best press man CB in the draft. I would take him in a heart beat. I think he has the ability to be a legitimate shutdown corner in this league. Jones? Maybe, but I'm not as sold on what I've seen of him. Either way, I don't think it matters. I think Peters will be gone by the time we pick, assuming we either stay put at 32 or trade down.

I think with Peters it's all going to be moot. A team like the Bengals or Ravens will draft him ahead of us. The talent will be too much to ignore and they've long written off character concerns for the right talent.

everlong said:

I think with Peters it's all going to be moot. A team like the Bengals or Ravens will draft him ahead of us. The talent will be too much to ignore and they've long written off character concerns for the right talent.

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Yeah, I wouldn't expect him to make it past the Ravens. And he'll be good in their scheme. Too bad, really, because he would look great rocking a Flying Elvis.

B. Jones not just an athlete. Watch him "play" the CB position. Snap to finish. All disciplines & techniques. He is a good football player.

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That was from Louis Riddick. Unfortunately the site won't let me paste the link.

BelichickFan said:

That's fine but I think Belichick would burn himself in boiling water before taking Peters in the first round; especially if you're talking about playing to his strength only some percent of time less than 50%.

Maybe I'm wrong about Peters but the Patriots never take character risks in the first round, I can't see them starting now.

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U are probably right about boiling water, but i like Peters better than Jones if they pick at 32. Late 2rd fine, but first no.
Eric Rowe is not jumping kangaroo like Jones, their 3 cone and short shuttle are basically the same, so one of them for pats would be awesome.

Rumor is that the pats want to implement a more zone oriented scheme. if so, jones would be a good fit here.