Report - Brady and McCourty already back to work..

Gostkowski is one of the best kickers there is and a huge part of their field position game, keeping him n had to be a priority, and the tag is simply a placeholder until they get the real deal done. It had no erect on The Revis situation because he wasn't re-signing with Patriots anyways.

4.5m is a lot of $$ for a basically special teamer, no matter how good he is

TinhWoodhead said:

4.5m is a lot of $$ for a basically special teamer, no matter how good he is

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I think you are seriously undervaluing Gostkowski's value to the team as a whole. Having to go 80 yards for va TD every time you received a kick off makes life very tough for opposing offenses.

Ivan said:

I think you are seriously undervaluing Gostkowski's value to the team as a whole. Having to go 80 yards for va TD every time you received a kick off makes life very tough for opposing offenses.

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Exactly. Also, I don't wanna be in a position on my couch where I don't trust my kicker, it must be terrible, imagine Belichick on the sidelines.

He trusts Gostkowski, we trust, because he is a reliable kicker and a top 3 in his position. Having a kicker you don't trust must completely change the game plan and situational football, for worse.

Ivan said:

Gostkowski is one of the best kickers there is and a huge part of their field position game, keeping him n had to be a priority, and the tag is simply a placeholder until they get the real deal done. It had no erect on The Revis situation because he wasn't re-signing with Patriots anyways.

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/jots down observations on a notepad.

I see. Ja, und how does this make you feeel?

JarOfMayo51 said:

Points allowed will tell the story next year

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And time of possession. If our offense can't get on the field that is also very important.

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

1.BB knew that would not have money to signRevis.
2. McCourty price range was in the Tag range
3. Gostkowski number will be his extension number, not the tag number.

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What are you taking about? Gostkowski has not signed an extension, and we made him the highest paid K in the NFL with the franchise tag. When is the last time you saw a player made the highest paid player at his position with the use of the franchise tag. It was a waste they should have extended him, clearly they're willing to pay him.

varjao said:

Exactly. Also, I don't wanna be in a position on my couch where I don't trust my kicker, it must be terrible, imagine Belichick on the sidelines.

He trusts Gostkowski, we trust, because he is a reliable kicker and a top 3 in his position. Having a kicker you don't trust must completely change the game plan and situational football, for worse.

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Nobody is saying not to keep Gostkowski but we made him the highest paid kicker in the NFL so why did they need to use the franchise tag on him? The franchise tag is generally used when you can't come to terms I can't fathom a reason why Gostkowski wouldn't willingly sign a contract that paid him nearly a half a million more than any other kicker.

No doubt brady works hard. However, no matter how hard you work father time is undefeated and will not be denied.. Id be delighted with 2-3 more years of elite play from the goat.

Brady6 said:

What are you taking about? Gostkowski has not signed an extension, and we made him the highest paid K in the NFL with the franchise tag. When is the last time you saw a player made the highest paid player at his position with the use of the franchise tag. It was a waste they should have extended him, clearly they're willing to pay him.

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(1) Isn't the franchise tag an average of the salaries of the top few guys at the position ( whatever that number may be).... In which case it makes complete sense to pay arguably the best kicker in the league a salary calculated as the average of the 3-5 highest players at the position ; (2) which answers your question it's never happened that a franchise player is the highest paid at his position and (3) I don't log in in and follow often but based on a quick review you are one of the biggest tools going.

charlie2 said:

(1) Isn't the franchise tag an average of the salaries of the top few guys at the position ( whatever that number may be).... In which case it makes complete sense to pay arguably the best kicker in the league a salary calculated as the average of the 3-5 highest players at the position ; (2) which answers your question it's never happened that a franchise player is the highest paid at his position and (3) I don't log in in and follow often but based on a quick review you are one of the biggest tools going.

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It's either the average of the top paid or 120% of their prior seasons salary. Gostkowski received 120% of his prior year. Which makes him the highest paid kicker by nearly $500K. You don't need to get all mad just cause you don't know what you're talking about.

#3 = biggest tools going.. Look at you with your internet balls, you must be a real badass in real life, regular Aaron Hernandez. Listen if you want to talk about tools I think someone who runs there mouth on the Internet likely wins for biggest.

LightSkinSmurf said:

And time of possession. If our offense can't get on the field that is also very important.

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I'm not a big fan of TOP as an indicator. Too many variables.

The same is true for the total yardage stats.

The game has been and will always be about one number. Points.

1960Pats said:

I'm not a big fan of TOP as an indicator. Too many variables.

The same is true for the total yardage stats.

The game has been and will always be about one number. Points.

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I disagree. You can talk about stats being misleading all you want and Id agree to some extent.. But you're not gonna convince me that TOP isn't a big deal, because that's just ridiculous.

Geez, I go away for a couple of weeks...

Brady6 said:

What are you taking about? Gostkowski has not signed an extension, and we made him the highest paid K in the NFL with the franchise tag. When is the last time you saw a player made the highest paid player at his position with the use of the franchise tag. It was a waste they should have extended him, clearly they're willing to pay him.

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Justin Houston ( 5k less than Clay Matthews).

They're willing to pay McCourty too, so? I think they save money.

Gostkowski will have an average cap of 3.5 IMO.

McCourty number this year is 6m.

If they do not reach an agreement with McCourty they could have spent on two players 13m. Today at worst they spent 10,7m.

Adding to the fact that Gost new number will be very close to the tag, making it easier to reach an agreement.

LightSkinSmurf said:

I disagree. You can talk about stats being misleading all you want and Id agree to some extent.. But you're not gonna convince me that TOP isn't a big deal, because that's just ridiculous.

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I used to keep track of all the statistics and how they influenced winning, TOP was so far down the list of importance that I finally stopped keeping track of it and stuck to the stats that I knew were more important. For instance, turnovers are much bigger than TOP. Running the ball and stopping the run were real big before the rules got Polianed, but now not so much. You also have more teams that get into the hurry up offense and that has a major influence on all the numbers for both teams.

Picture a game where the Pats are going through an opponent easily and that team is trying to use the "keep Brady off the field" tactic with clock eating drives. Then have that other team throw a pick at the end of a drive or two and they could be killing the Pats in the TOP battle but losing horribly on the scoreboard.

After all is said and done, there are only two stats that matter, points scored and points allowed.

Ross12 said:

With Revis and Browner both gone it really makes McCourty the "QB" of the secondary... So it's great to see him getting things going early with Tom. Shows real leadership which I have grown to appreciate from him. The fact that Harmon has joined too speaks volumes about his work ethic... He could be a gem yet.

People could look at me like I'm crazy, but if it works out, a starting CB trio of Fletcher-Butler-Arrington and McCourty-Harmon could be a real solid unit. It's not going to be top 10, I don't think, but it could be middle-of-the-pack.

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A middle of the pack secondary may not be good enough to win the AFC or the SB.

Brady6 said:

It's either the average of the top paid or 120% of their prior seasons salary. Gostkowski received 120% of his prior year. Which makes him the highest paid kicker by nearly $500K. You don't need to get all mad just cause you don't know what you're talking about.

#3 = biggest tools going.. Look at you with your internet balls, you must be a real badass in real life, regular Aaron Hernandez. Listen if you want to talk about tools I think someone who runs there mouth on the Internet likely wins for biggest.

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Brady6 said:

Nobody is saying not to keep Gostkowski but we made him the highest paid kicker in the NFL so why did they need to use the franchise tag on him? The franchise tag is generally used when you can't come to terms I can't fathom a reason why Gostkowski wouldn't willingly sign a contract that paid him nearly a half a million more than any other kicker.

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I'll try to use short words.

The patriots did not sign Gostkowski to a contract for longer than one year because the team and Gostkowski could not agree on contract terms for such an contract.
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I'm understand that you cannot come up with a reason that Gostkowski wouldn't sign. No one here can help. None of us know what long-term offer Gostkowski rejected.

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