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Best Roster in the NFL?

  • Packers

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Patriots

    Votes: 35 54.7%
  • Bills

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Seahawks

    Votes: 17 26.6%

  • Total voters
    64
I'm not sure what your issue is here? I mean Gronkowski is great, Edelman is very good, but Chandler is an average NFL TE, Amendola is a subpar depth WR at best and we have question marks at RB. Buffalo is talented they just aren't talented at the most important position the QB. As for the rest, I think you are wrong to try and gripe over this because we speaking to talent (which is different than performance) the players on the Bills offensive are more talented than everyone outside of Gronkowski on are team.

Chandler is an "average TE" with sub-par QBs. What will do with Brady? And what is your definition of talent? Running right routes, catching a 3-14 pass and getting rocked by Chancellor and still holding on, or selling a route to catch a pass in front of Baldwin (Amendola) is "talent", no? I'll take NE offense w/o Brady over Buffalos. Gronkowski is the X factor. We could go player for player and I bet the Pats would end up on top. Add Brady and it's no contest.
 
Pats gave up a 1st and 4th to move up to get Dowling?

Ya didn't think so. Shut up.
Excuse me? Shut up? What are you 12? Act your age. You are speaking in hindsight and everyone is a draft expert in hindsight. Watkins was a top 5 prospect and the Bills traded up and took him at #4. If you were saying this last year at this time you'd sound knowledgable now you just sound like a know it all who mocks drafts after the players have been in the NFL for a season. Funny thing is I have seen you use the hindsight line when people criticize the patriots draft picks at least 2 dozen times in my years on this board.
 
I think the Seahawks have the most talented roster. They lost little and added some pop.

No idea how they will perform or what will happen in the draft, TC, or the season.
 
Eager to increase his facebook likes and twitter followers Chris Sims decided to pander to the Buffalo Market...

Chris, ever searching for new drinking buddies, figured those Buffalo folks might be a good bet..
 
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I'm not sure what your issue is here? I mean Gronkowski is great, Edelman is very good, but Chandler is an average NFL TE, Amendola is a subpar depth WR at best and we have question marks at RB. Buffalo is talented they just aren't talented at the most important position the QB. As for the rest, I think you are wrong to try and gripe over this because we speaking to talent (which is different than performance) the players on the Bills offensive are more talented than everyone outside of Gronkowski on are team.

I agree that Buffalo is talented, and I think they're very dangerous this year. But in terms of better roster, I guess it depends on what you're looking at.

On offense, I think you're overlooking the OL where our tackles are significantly better. Watkins/Edelman, I actually like Jules because he's tougher to cover while you can game plan for Watkins, but I understand why talent evaluators would choose Sammy. But I won't concede Woods is better than JoJo. He may have more potential, but he hasn't done it yet.

Their defense's front 7 is quite impressive, although they've spent a ton of money on it too. And they're switching to Ryan's 3-4, meaning they're starting some guy named Corbin Bryant at this point. That will probably change. They've got a lot of talent in the front 7, although I'd easily take most of our LBs over theirs. Some would argue for Mario Williams, but in the 3-4, he'll be limited as just a pass rusher. Either way, at least 2, if not 3 of our LBs are better. And our safeties are better at both spots. So I wouldn't even concede the defensive side of the roster either.

And it's interesting you bring up Chandler. I think he's actually a great example of why our roster is better from 1-53.

You're right that Chandler is an average TE. But he's also our 2nd TE. Maybe 3rd depending on how you feel about Tim Wright. The 2nd guy up for the Bills is...Chris Gragg? Their swing tackle is Kouandjio, while we've got Cannon or Fleming. Stefan Charles is their backup DT, while I'm not sure who wins the starting jobs, but our backups could potentially be Easley or Chris Jones. We've got a lot of different CBs who can be mixed and matched, as well as quality safety depth. They've got a decent starting core, but they're an injury away from disaster.

I'm sure there are differences in opinions on guys. Maybe you think Williams is better than anyone. Maybe you prefer Woods to JoJo. But the overall point is that from 1-53, their roster is not better.

Lots of teams have good starters, but when injuries hit, depth gets tested, and the shallow teams never recover. That's why some teams end up fading late. The Dolphins are another example of a team with talent, but once the injuries come, their depth gets tested and they fade. The Browns were doing great until their All Pro center Alex Mack got injured, then the OL came unglued and they couldn't rush the ball. The Bills have a lot of quality 1s, but not much after that. It's why you see some of these talented teams with little depth look like contenders for a while before dropping off.

Meanwhile, we can endure a ridiculous stretch of injuries like 2013 where we lost Mayo, Wilfork, Vollmer, and Gronk, yet still made it to the AFCCG, and we were disappointed we didn't win! If the Bills lost 4 Pro Bowl caliber starters on their roster, they would be picking 1st overall.

And that's why I would take our roster over theirs every day of the week.
 
I agree that Buffalo is talented, and I think they're very dangerous this year. But in terms of better roster, I guess it depends on what you're looking at.

On offense, I think you're overlooking the OL where our tackles are significantly better. Watkins/Edelman, I actually like Jules because he's tougher to cover while you can game plan for Watkins, but I understand why talent evaluators would choose Sammy. But I won't concede Woods is better than JoJo. He may have more potential, but he hasn't done it yet.

Their defense's front 7 is quite impressive, although they've spent a ton of money on it too. And they're switching to Ryan's 3-4, meaning they're starting some guy named Corbin Bryant at this point. That will probably change. They've got a lot of talent in the front 7, although I'd easily take most of our LBs over theirs. Some would argue for Mario Williams, but in the 3-4, he'll be limited as just a pass rusher. Either way, at least 2, if not 3 of our LBs are better. And our safeties are better at both spots. So I wouldn't even concede the defensive side of the roster either.

And it's interesting you bring up Chandler. I think he's actually a great example of why our roster is better from 1-53.

You're right that Chandler is an average TE. But he's also our 2nd TE. Maybe 3rd depending on how you feel about Tim Wright. The 2nd guy up for the Bills is...Chris Gragg? Their swing tackle is Kouandjio, while we've got Cannon or Fleming. Stefan Charles is their backup DT, while I'm not sure who wins the starting jobs, but our backups could potentially be Easley or Chris Jones. We've got a lot of different CBs who can be mixed and matched, as well as quality safety depth. They've got a decent starting core, but they're an injury away from disaster.

I'm sure there are differences in opinions on guys. Maybe you think Williams is better than anyone. Maybe you prefer Woods to JoJo. But the overall point is that from 1-53, their roster is not better.

Lots of teams have good starters, but when injuries hit, depth gets tested, and the shallow teams never recover. That's why some teams end up fading late. The Dolphins are another example of a team with talent, but once the injuries come, their depth gets tested and they fade. The Browns were doing great until their All Pro center Alex Mack got injured, then the OL came unglued and they couldn't rush the ball. The Bills have a lot of quality 1s, but not much after that. It's why you see some of these talented teams with little depth look like contenders for a while before dropping off.

Meanwhile, we can endure a ridiculous stretch of injuries like 2013 where we lost Mayo, Wilfork, Vollmer, and Gronk, yet still made it to the AFCCG, and we were disappointed we didn't win! If the Bills lost 4 Pro Bowl caliber starters on their roster, they would be picking 1st overall.

And that's why I would take our roster over theirs every day of the week.
I think you ignore the Brady factor and that inflates the value of the other players in your mind, talent is very different from performance or production.

The Patriots have the best QB in the NFL, the overall roster though is not as strong as people want to believe.
 
I know I'm going to be called crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if Bills win 11 or more games this year.
I think the teams they will lose to are the Colts and PATS ( may even split with the PATS)
other difficult teams are Texans, Bengals, Eagles, Cowboys but three of those are home games.
This a team with lots of talent and they still have the draft. Rex's Defense is always good and
Greg Roman has the potential to bring a lot of innovation to that Bills offense which has a ton
of talent. Don't underestimate Greg Roman, from what I've read he's very smart, innovative and
his play calling is timely.
If by good you mean allow a lot of points and can't create turnovers, then I would have to agree.
 
Chandler is an "average TE" with sub-par QBs. What will do with Brady? And what is your definition of talent? Running right routes, catching a 3-14 pass and getting rocked by Chancellor and still holding on, or selling a route to catch a pass in front of Baldwin (Amendola) is "talent", no? I'll take NE offense w/o Brady over Buffalos. Gronkowski is the X factor. We could go player for player and I bet the Pats would end up on top. Add Brady and it's no contest.

Chandler is an average TE, he is a good depth player but if he were more than that a team would have signed him and gave him starter money. Amendola is a below average talent by NFL standards; he was an UDFA who has carved out a role as an average (at best) slot WR who has a career average of under 10 yards per catch.

Brady is the best QB in the NFL, which is what makes this team special, if you put Matt Cassell at QB on this team they would not be any better than the Bills and that is just being realistic. On the flip side if you put Brady on the Bills they would be the favorite in the AFC to make the SB.

 
Not one Bills offensive lineman is better that his Pats counterpart.
 
Who led a talented roster to an 11-5 record in 2008 and another talented roster to a 10-5 record in 2010. Cassell is a capable QB, he isn't an elite QB but when surrounded with good players he can play in the 12-18 range of starting QBs.

I think nostalgia is tinting your glasses. Cassel's not actively terrible like a Geno Smith but his weaknesses limit the offense considerably. The Bills were better off last season with Orton, who at least had a big arm. I think the Bills' roster is fine, but quarterback - the most important position - is a glaring hole.
 
If by good you mean allow a lot of points and can't create turnovers, then I would have to agree.

When Rex first came to the Jets and had teams with good defense talent his defense Points allowed
were top 10. As he lost talent that changed. ( Revis gone one big change ) . Also I think when
he was with the Ravens they had a pretty good defense also. In fact as a DC or HC, half of his 10 year
NFL career his teams were in the top 10 for points allowed. Note, BB had been 10 top in points
allowed 12 out of 20 years. BB has had bad years just like Rex.
With Bills, Rex has a team with good defense talent once again. We'll see how he does.
 
Id say the Seahawks if the season started today. So "if you wanna crown them, then crown their ass."
 
I'm not sure what your issue is here? I mean Gronkowski is great, Edelman is very good, but Chandler is an average NFL TE, Amendola is a subpar depth WR at best and we have question marks at RB. Buffalo is talented they just aren't talented at the most important position the QB. As for the rest, I think you are wrong to try and gripe over this because we speaking to talent (which is different than performance) the players on the Bills offensive are more talented than everyone outside of Gronkowski on are team.

Scott Chandler put the same numbers as Charles Clay, playing with Manuel. And he is our 2nd TE.
Their OL a joke.
Percy Harvin has 0(zero) 1000 yards seasons.
We dont have questions marks at RB. We can improve. But Blount is a solid back. Cadet was a cap casuality and can help us a lot.


Who led a talented roster to an 11-5 record in 2008 and another talented roster to a 10-5 record in 2010. Cassell is a capable QB, he isn't an elite QB but when surrounded with good players he can play in the 12-18 range of starting QBs.

I remember 2007 season was fantastic.

We had one of the toughest schedules I remember and we won every single game.

The following year with the same team. We lost TWO players ( Samuel and Brady) and with a very easy schedule we finished11- 5 and not qualified for the playoffs .

Following your reasoning Mark Sanchez is in this range too. Kyle Orton....
 
Teams rarely make the playoffs in their first year with a new coaching staff. Frocking mediots always ignore this.
 
so like how much over the cap are the bills going to be next year? its gotta be really high over.
 
Extending Solder and Gost we will have +- 37m to spend
 
The Pats are in the midst of a youth movement. Maybe someday we'll have the best roster, but for now we'll have to settle for Lamar Hunt and Vince Lombardi trophies instead.
 


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