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Okay guys, it's been nearly two months since Tom Brady and the Patriots won Super Bowl 49 - a truly remarkable game that will go down on record as one of the greatest Super Bowls of all time. And the fact that it happened in Glendale, Arizona only makes this victory even more sweeter, because of all the heartbreak and agony that's been associated with that stadium (unfortunately, that burden will be felt on Seahawks fans...notice a pattern? championship-caliber teams keep getting screwed in Glendale!). I was a 16-year old teenager during most of that season, and it was such a magical time to be a Pats fan. At various times, it felt as though every game was its own Super Bowl, because the more games the Pats won, the bigger the stakes became, the harder opposing teams fought.

Even after shattering records and instilling the NFL with awe, fear, and envy, we always told ourselves that all that success would become a footnote and irrelevant, if we failed to "win the big one." And to this day, I still have that same mentality when it generally comes to statistics and records (Tom Brady: "The only statistic that matters is winning", Belichick: It’s not about a bunch of stats and stats this and stats that. We’re not playing fantasy football here. We’re trying to win.”) And the same can be said about breaking records.... no matter how impressive, we all know that sooner or later in the future, records are going to be broken. So after we lost SB 42, I immediately felt that the 2007-2008 season would become a distant blip on the radar. A water cooler, "oh yeah, I forgot about that" anecdote, so to speak.

But then I started looking back, and some of the records we broke and accomplished are simply mind-boggling! For instance do you know that after the Patriots defeated the Chargers in the AFC Championship game, Tom Brady became the fastest NFL quarterback to reach 100 wins, getting there in 16 fewer starts than Joe Montana?

Player W-L-T
Tom Brady 100-26-0
Joe Montana 100-42-0
Ken Stabler 100-49-1
Johnny Unitas 100-50-3
Bart Starr 100-50-5
Brett Favre 100-55-0


Or how bout this one: In that same game, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Patriots' win over the Chargers marked the first time in more than a century that a team in all four major pro sports opened a season with 18 straight victories (The record for wins to start a season was set in 1884 by St. Louis in baseball's Union Association). I don't know about you, but that is effin' incredible!!!!! Wouldn't you say so?

So learning about this, I finally came to the conclusion that 2007 season was truly worth remembering and cherishing. No other team before or since has broken so many records and won so many victories at the same time.

Perhaps it's time for us reconsider how we remember the "perfect season." I know, we tried to go 19-0 and came disastrously short in such a hurtful and nightmarish fashion. But when you're several years removed from that awful moment, you start to gain an appreciation for the very things that a team still manage to achieve. And nothing can take away from what Brady, Moss, Belichick, and the Pats achieved that season. Because “[p]erfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry,Airman's Odyssey)

And so for the first time in seven years, I can finally look back on our historic 2007 season, forget about all those replays of David Tyree's catch, and embrace those great memories with new pair of eyes. The question is, are you willing to do the same?
 
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I'm totally with you dude. Everyone focuses on the 'failure' of not winning the SB but forgets the tremendous success that season. It is crazy all the records we broke.
 
Vintage 2008 regular season record tracker! - courtesy of yours truly, Patsfan.com (Jan 7, 2008)

Team League records

Most regular-season victories in a single season: 16
Most consecutive regular-season victories: 19
Most consecutive wins to begin a season: 16
Most consecutive wins within a single season: 16
Largest point differential in a season: +315
Most touchdowns in a season: 75
Most points scored through a season’s first 15 games: 551
Most points scored through a season’s first 14 games: 523
Most points scored through a season’s first 13 games: 503
Most points scored through a season’s first 12 games: 469
Most points scored through a season’s first 11 games: 442
Most TD passes between passer and receiver: 23 (T.Brady / R.Moss)
Most consecutive wins by 17 points or more to begin a season: 8
Most points in 16-game regular season: 589



Individual League Records

Tom Brady:

Most games with three or more TD passes in a single season: 12
Most consecutive games with three or more TD passes: 10
Most TD passes in a single month: 20 (October)
Most TD passes in first 10 games of a season: 38
Most TD passes in first nine games of a season: 33
Most TD passes in first eight games of a season: 30
Most TD passes in first six games of a season: 21
Most consecutive games with completion % of 75 percent or higher in a single season: 4
Most completions in first 100 passes of a season: 79
Most TD passes in a single season: 50


Randy Moss:

Most consecutive 100- yard receiving games to begin tenure with a team: 4
Most TD receptions in single season: 23


Junior Seau:

Oldest player with two or more INTs in a game: 38 (Oct. 7 vs. Browns)

Stephen Gostkowski:

Most PATs in a season: 74

Team Franchise Records

Most points per game in a season: 36.8
Most points in a half: 42 (first half, Oct. 21 at Miami)
Most total net yards in a season: 6,580
Most first downs in a season: 393
Most first downs in a game: 34 (Oct. 28 vs. Redskins)
Best divisional record in a season: 6-0
Most net passing yards: 4,731 (59 behind 1994)
Most road wins: 8

Individual Franchise Records
Tom Brady:
Most touchdown passes in a game: 6 (Oct. 21 at Miami)
Most career touchdown passes: 196
Highest singlegame passer rating: 158.3 (Oct. 21 at Miami)
Most passing yards in a season: 4,806

Randy Moss:

Most touchdowns in a season: 23
Most touchdown receptions in a season: 23
Most touchdown receptions in a game: 4 (Nov. 18 at Bills)
Most receiving yards in a season: 1,493


Wes Welker:

Most receptions in a season: 112


Broadcasting Records

NE Patriots vs. NY Giants 12/29/07 (NFL Network, NBC, CBS)

1st NFL game to be simulcast on 3 separate television networks since the inaugural SuperBowl game in 1967. Most watched entertainment show this TV season: 34.5 million viewers (5th most of 2007)

NE Patriots vs. Philadelphia Eagles 12/04/ 2007,
NBC
Most watched Sunday Night Football Game ever: 21.81 million viewers

NE Patriots vs. Baltimore Ravens 12/03/07, MNF,
ESPN
Most watched cable telecast ever : 23.9 million viewers

NE Patriots vs. Indianapolis Colts 11/04/2007 CBS

Most watched Sunday afternoon NFL Broadcast in 20 years: 33.8 million viewers


*This list does not contain numerous other records that were tied*
 
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100% agree. I watched the SB 42 rewind on NFL Network recently, for the first time since I watched the game live. Painful... just like the 1976 Oak-Pats playoff game. But now...

quite bearable. ;)
 
I don't buy the SB 42 revisionism.
While watching SB 42 even with TFB's go ahead drive in the 4th QTR, I said that the Pats played like crap all game and did not deserve the W.
And yes I know about the injuries. My statement was about how they, the team played.
 
I don't buy the SB 42 revisionism.
While watching SB 42 even with TFB's go ahead drive in the 4th QTR, I said that the Pats played like crap all game and did not deserve the W.
That's an odd perspective, PWP. It's the Super Bowl, where it shouldn't have surprised anyone that New York rose to the challenge. It's not like the Pats made a ton of mistakes, either. They should've still won the game 14-10 and if they had, we'd be saying they deserved it.
 
I'm totally with you dude. Everyone focuses on the 'failure' of not winning the SB but forgets the tremendous success that season. It is crazy all the records we broke.
Statistics are nice but Super Bowl wins are better. For many varied reasons, the 2007 squad wasn't good enough in 42 to get the job done. Tough titties unfortunately.
 
Recap Part 1 - Disaster? Or Achievement?: A Season in Perspective

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“Gentlemen, we will chase perfection, and we will chase it relentlessly, knowing all the while we can never attain it. But along the way, we shall catch excellence.”
Vince Lombardi

First team ever to go 18-1 and not win the Super Bowl. Doh!!! :(:(:(
― User Run it up baby!, Patsfan Forums, Feb 6, 2008

For seven years, Phoenix University Stadium remained the site where a promising attempt at history went disastrously wrong. It was the site where the Patriots lost their first Super Bowl under Bill Belichick. It was the site of the biggest loss in Tom Brady’s career -- a narrow but heart-breaking loss to Eli Manning and the New York Giants (17-14) that denied him what would have been his fourth Super Bowl ring. How much did this loss sting? So much so that when the clock ran down to the final second, and the Giants uncurled their celebration flags, Belichick ran to the center of the field to quickly congratulate his friend Tom Coughlin, and then jogged into the locker room. There was one second left on the game clock, but it was too painful to stay and wait out the game any longer. In 60 minutes, all the of the Patriots historic records, the 16-0 regular season, the individual awards, the All-Pro recognition, and heavy anticipation from fans around the world, went up in smoke.

The entire fan base suffered as their team’s championship hopes vanished. In the days and weeks that followed, Patriots fans went numb and tried to tune out whenever they could– they couldn't bring themselves to listen to sports radio without trembling. Television sets were turned off in a desperate attempt to avoid constant replays of David Tyree pinning the football against his helmet, just out of the reach of Rodney Harrison. A loss of this magnitude – so unforgettable, yet so unreal – will always leave a mark on fans and players alike. Brady once called the memory of that game “an awful feeling in [my] stomach for a lot of years. As time goes on, I still can't watch highlights from that game.”

The loss could not have come at a worse time for the franchise. Just a day before the Super Bowl, Arlen Specter, a Senator from Pennsylvania, ignited a media frenzy when he began to inquire why the NFL destroyed tapes from the Spygate incident. At the same time, reports were leaked to the press, claiming that the Pats had illegally taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI in New Orleans. The scandal amounted to a televised tar-and-feathering of an entire franchise that had just been humiliated in its biggest Super Bowl loss yet. Cries of Spygate and Videogate crept into every broadcast related to sports media, and a nation already averse to the Patriots became even more convinced that Belichick and his players were “cheaters" guilty of unsportsmanship.

Even seven years later, a week before Super Bowl XLIX, 2015 Brady still had a revealing response when asked about his first Super Bowl appearance in Arizona. “Disappointment. We were so close to accomplishing something special; something rare."" “We conquered the regular season," said Asante Samuel, shortly after Super Bowl XLII. “We conquered the playoffs. [But] What does it mean if you don't win the Super Bowl?” It means you only get one chance at 19-0, and that opportunity comes at the Super Bowl, on football’s biggest stage, with the eyes of the world arrayed on your team. Deep down, I thought the Patriots were going to win this one. The Patriots thought they were going to win. And a week before Super Bowl XLII, the Boston Globe was advertising, on Amazon.com, a book titled 19-0: The Historic Championship Season of New England's Unbeatable Patriots. “We set high expectations, now we go down as 18-1, and that is one big zit,” said Ellis Hobbs. “It is one big blemish. We choked. We choked at the end.” Game over. Season over. Legacy tarnished. It was the only way an 18– 1 record can ever be a negative: when it could have been— and needed to be— 19–0.

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Fortunately for us, seven years removed, the memories of those '07 and '11 Super Bowls have suddenly lost their effect on us. The dark clouds that used to hover over Pats nation, the ever-elusive fourth ring, the stench of allegations and scandals, all receded into irrelevance once Brady led the Patriots to a magnificent comeback in the 4th quarter, in what was undeniably, the most thrilling Super Bowl in recent memory. It was a full 60 minutes of gut-wrenching, and heart-pounding football, fought to last yard and the final seconds of the game. And in one gigantic clutch play by an undrafted rookie, Malcolm Butler had removed the ghost of Tyree forever, and reduced the memory of Super Bowl XLII to an anecdotal backdrop – one which, however tragic, would later set the stage for a championship win seven years later, and crown Tom Brady as the Greatest Quarterback of All Time!!!

But where does this leave the 2007-08 Patriots? I think many years from now, the 2007-08 Patriots won't be forgotten. Unlike most Super Bowl losers, they'll be remembered as the team that couldn't handle its own high-stakes expectations; as the undefeated team that picked the worst possible time to lose, just when it mattered the most. But anybody who tells you this is only telling one part of the story. The other part is just as significant: The 2007 season might have ended badly for the Patriots, but the undefeated season -- in and of itself -- represented something special. It was the very pinnacle of success in modern professional football, and I consider it to be one of the biggest achievements in NFL -no - in all of pro sports!

You already know the story: Not long before that fateful Super Bowl Sunday in Glendale, the Patriots had entered the game coming on the heels of the single most winning team season in NFL history -- a five month thrill ride that included a perfect regular season of 16-0 and an equally impressive run through the AFC playoffs. Ten of its regular-season wins were by a margin of 17 or more points and only four of its opponents came within a single score of beating the Patriots. Their unbeaten season was the subject of historic superlatives as they broke record after record and mowed down opponent after opponent. They won all of their games in September … all of their games in October … all of their games in November … all of their games in December… and all of their games in January. And they won all their games across four quadrants of the calendar. They started winning in the late summer heat, and began annihilating their opponents in the autumn. Then they faced off against some of their toughest opponents through a cold and bitter winter, and still remained unbeaten. In fact, they won so much that the only real question was whether the Patriots were winning too much. This was a streak towards perfection unlike anything seen before; and for a time it looked as though the Patriots were on track to win their fourth Super Bowl in just a seven year period.

On the field, the 2007 Patriots team were a fan’s dream. This was not your typical football season, in which the Patriots needed our tears and hopes to get them through. Our job was to simply sit back and watch them dominate the NFL. Everything we’d ever wanted in a championship team was there—a ball-hawking defense, an unstoppable deep threat, an effective third-down passing game, and an opportunistic special teams-corps. They were a talented, charismatic bunch with a flair for the dramatic. They had the highest scoring offense of all time, with a superstar quarterback and a freakishly athletic wide receiver – each shattering then setting NFL records. They had a resourceful defense composed of veterans with unmatched experience. And even with all those components in place, it was impossible to believe that the New England Patriots were somehow steamrolling through the league, advancing from one victory to the next.

This team was a true juggernaut!!! Sometimes, it was downright cringing to watch them play. After Spygate broke, they started running up the score on their opponents, scoring 38 or more points in eight individual games, and letting everyone know that they meant business! This was a team that knew how to be ruthless and knew how to be efficient. The usually miserable airwaves of WEEI hummed with glee, because for a brief moment, our team seemed invincible. Other clubs around the league -- eager to hand the Patriots their first loss -- started making games against the Patriots their own personal "Super Bowl." The Eagles, the Ravens, the Steelers, and even the Jets put everything they could into their games, only to come up short. The wins just kept on piling up – one after another.

The past is history…but it always remains historic. In the end, the 2007 Patriots were not perfect nor did the season end well, but they were the baddest, biggest, luckiest group of winners the NFL has ever seen… and boy was it fun to watch them play. :D:D:D

I encourage you, to share you favorite memory of the 2007 season, or comment on whatever record or statistic that most stands out to you.

Or you can carry on the debate....does any of this even matter if we lost the Super Bowl?
 
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I don't buy the SB 42 revisionism.
While watching SB 42 even with TFB's go ahead drive in the 4th QTR, I said that the Pats played like crap all game and did not deserve the W.
And yes I know about the injuries. My statement was about how they, the team played.

I agree, but is that how you feel about the other 18 games they played?
 
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Unfortunately 07 will always be remembered as the year we came up short of a perfect season. It sucks, because it should be remembered as the year we saw the best team of all time. It will always haunt me, but I've moved on.
 
I agree, but is that how you feel about the other 18 games they played?

I did not enjoy the 2007 season. It had an ominous sense of foreboding to me that I've never had since. Loved the Ws as always but as I've said previously you could tell that by December the Pats Juggernaught was showing signs of breaking down. The quality defenses with top notch DCs were limiting the Pats offense. Look at the Ravens game. Had the cretin not called a TO it was a loss. And the Giants in December showed that they could play with the Pats head to head. I was not surprised to see the Pats drop the big one.

I'm with Brady and Hobbs. I don't like thinking about that game. Never liked the 18-1 (sic) banner either.
 
I did not enjoy the 2007 season. It had an ominous sense of foreboding to me that I've never had since. Loved the Ws as always but as I've said previously you could tell that by December the Pats Juggernaught was showing signs of breaking down. The quality defenses with top notch DCs were limiting the Pats offense. Look at the Ravens game. Had the cretin not called a TO it was a loss. And the Giants in December showed that they could play with the Pats head to head. I was not surprised to see the Pats drop the big one.

I'm with Brady and Hobbs. I don't like thinking about that game. Never liked the 18-1 (sic) banner either.

So undefeated season....less of a gift, and more of a curse?
 
Never liked the 18-1 (sic) banner either.
At first, I hated the 18-1 banner, but that opinion has since changed. Sure, there is a sadness when seeing the banner, but I also think it serves as a reminder of the price of failure and the hard lessons learned.

I was bitter about the 07 loss for a long time, and although I never would have thought it, it added a sweetness and appreciation of SB 49 that would not have been possible otherwise. Who can truly appreciate the sweetness of victory better than those who have tasted the bitterest of defeats? The way the game ended, with the mythical Tyree type catch and that "not again" feeling only to be saved by the best play in Superbowl history really sort of underscores this idea.

Conan O'Brien says it better than I ever could.

“It is our failure to become our perceived ideal that ultimately defines us and makes us unique. It's not easy, but if you accept your misfortune and handle it right your perceived failure can become a catalyst for profound re-invention.”
 
Nothing, not even this last win, can erase that Super Bowl. That will always be a painful memory. The Super Bowl 49 win erases the Super Bowl 46 loss, though. But Super Bowl 42 is still there, just dulled. To this day, it remains the only sporting event that I've ever cried over (though I was also ****faced drunk so there's that).
 
At first, I hated the 18-1 banner, but that opinion has since changed. Sure, there is a sadness when seeing the banner, but I also think it serves as a reminder of the price of failure and the hard lessons learned.

I was bitter about the 07 loss for a long time, and although I never would have thought it, it added a sweetness and appreciation of SB 49 that would not have been possible otherwise. Who can truly appreciate the sweetness of victory better than those who have tasted the bitterest of defeats? The way the game ended, with the mythical Tyree type catch and that "not again" feeling only to be saved by the best play in Superbowl history really sort of underscores this idea.

Conan O'Brien says it better than I ever could.

“It is our failure to become our perceived ideal that ultimately defines us and makes us unique. It's not easy, but if you accept your misfortune and handle it right your perceived failure can become a catalyst for profound re-invention.”

I couldn't agree with you more Galeb. Those last two minutes of SB 49 were absolutely terrifying ...Tyree 2.0 was bad enough....Tyree Part 3 would have been downright crushing. But that final ending....that interception......man, what an ending!!! Malcolm Butler made the play of the century, and Pats fans got to enjoy a HUGE emotional pay-off after suffering humiliation. Definitely an amazing experience!

You can't have euphoria, without first suffering despair
 
Nothing, not even this last win, can erase that Super Bowl. That will always be a painful memory. The Super Bowl 49 win erases the Super Bowl 46 loss, though. But Super Bowl 42 is still there, just dulled. To this day, it remains the only sporting event that I've ever cried over (though I was also ****faced drunk so there's that).
It always will be a painful memory. But isn't it less bitter now? For me personally, when sadness is laced with bitterness, it is a profoundly different experience.
 
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