Revis Speaks: Pats Not In Ball Park And More.

Marinlik said:

I think it's pretty embarrasing for this messageboard to have a moderator that goes around here and calls former Patriots player "whore".

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What about a Moderator who says " I don't recall anytime during the regular season or the playoffs that I saw "great" play. (from Revis)? To me that is equally baffling.

KontradictioN said:

@PATSNUTme what was there to dislike about this post? What I described was the way they do business with FA's. We've seen it time and time again.

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Sorry if I hit that by mistake. I undid it.

Galeb said:

Have you considered the damage to a franchise if something happened to a non-qb that was guaranteed 39 million over the first 3 years? Because if you have, you would understand that it is crazy money.

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The Pats have Brady in a great cap situation. What better person to spend that savings on than Revis? I don't want to go back to days of Darius Butler, Ras I, S Moore, and other JAGS.

Gronkandez said:

The Pats have Brady in a great cap situation. What better person to spend that savings on than Revis? I don't want to go back to days of Darius Butler, Ras I, S Moore, and other JAGS.

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A preference for the aesthetics of how the Patriots win is a luxury that BB doesn't take. I, for one, am glad that he doesn't.

Uncharacteristically, I'm not the least POed at Revis for leaving. Coming in, it was apparent he was most motivated by $ and had an expressed (although perverse) affection for the Jets. He was what he said he was. He was a fine team mate here and played exceedingly well, excepting maybe in the Ravens game. Team and fans got their money's worth. Would have liked him to stay but clearly the Jets had the cap $$$ and motivation.

I'm onto the next CB.

Marinlik said:

I think it's pretty embarrasing for this messageboard to have a moderator that goes around here and calls former Patriots player "whore".

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You and Gronkandez have the ability to use the ignore feature if my posts "embarrass" you in any way.
I call them as I see them, and if others want to ignore the history if this player, then that is fine. He didn't seem to change his ways after spending time with a championship organization.

At his price, he probably should be an "escort" but it doesn't quite sing with his #24.

KontradictioN said:

That doesn't mean that the Pats didn't assign a value to him from the get-go. All it means is that they tried to low ball him at first. And no, I'm not saying "low ball" in a negative manner.

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I agree with you. But,

We can not say that they did not have a number in mind and went beyond it either. Or like you said, just made a low proposal to try to have some discount.

What I mean is that in McCourty situation they may have gone beyond the number who felt comfortable. I agree that it is an exceptional situation and maybe they would not feel comfortable having a completely new secondary line . What I do not agree just stated categorically that they would not above a number.

PATSNUTme said:

You and Gronkandez have the ability to use the ignore feature if my posts "embarrass" you in any way.
I call them as I see them, and if others want to ignore the history if this player, then that is fine. He didn't seem to change his ways after spending time with a championship organization.

At his price, he probably should be an "escort" but it doesn't quite sing with his #24.

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Now i get why we have the new adultfinder linked to patsfans.com

This is yet another example where hearing the quote makes a world of difference. Adam Jones, on 98.5, absolutely skewered the Pats--particularly Kraft--over their 'competitive offer', using Revis' comment about 'not in the ballpark'.

But when you hear the interview, Revis' tone, it didn't sound at ALL like he was using 'ballpark' to mean what it typically means. It truly sounded like he was saying 'they offered me a deal that wasn't really what we were looking for.' Note the very next thing he said:

"We tried to work on a deal, and we felt that it wasn’t in the ballpark of what we were looking for. We just moved on and they moved on too, I had a great conversation with Bill [Belichick], and we moved forward just like they did, that’s how you look at it.”

It really, truly didn't sound like he was saying anything negative about the Patriots offer...but leave it to the radio and internet trolls to take a misspoken phrase (in my opinion) and turn it into 'THE PATS OFFER WAS INSULTINGLY LOW!'

Anyway, they were never gonna offer as much as the Jets were going to, nor should they have. This is all so comical because next season the Pats will again be in the SB mix and the Jets will be year 1 into a huge deal sitting at home during the playoffs as usual.

I was/am glad they got Revis, I think he was a huge factor in their success last season (but not as much as Brady obviously, and IMHO not as much as a few others (Gronk and Edelman, Stork, Hightower all come to mind). I agree it is legit to consider him one of the best at that position over the past four and a half decades (since I started watching the NFL). However like a lot of you I've had enough of the "Revis Derangement Syndrome" in the local media (and its spillover to the more nervous members of the Pats fanbase). I think it says more about the local yokels than it does about the merits of whatever the Pats did (which we all know we will never know for sure, all we will know is the spin from the Revis side). We're in that dead zone between the Super Bowl and MLB opening day, and with the Celtics and Bruins not able to capture the market, the reaction reflects their need for content and contrived controversy more than reality, IMHO.

With that said, even the most ardent Revis fan has to admit that his history shows he is Sean Gilbert's nephew through and through. I'm sure he was happy to be a champ, but it is not his top priority. All you have to do is consider what one of the posters previously pointed to in this thread, compare Revis' approach to Brady's approach. Brady is all about winning and he isn't wrapped up in the paycheck scoreboard like Revis obviously is. Revis doesn't have a supermodel wife (that I know about) and he comes from a different place, so to me (and I suspect a lot of us here) the fact that those guys have different life-views doesn't make Revis a bad guy in the slightest. It's his way and I'm fine with that .......... but it also doesn't make him someone I can totally admire. Sorry but that's the fan in me and it doesn't make me (or any of us who feel that way) rotten people. We're not hoping the guy winds up in the gutter, we're just saying that while we accept his choice, the cost to him is a bit less admiration from a fan's perspective. I think he is likely to be plenty OK with that

One other thing along these lines, it is pretty disappointing considering the avalanche of adulation Revis has received here, from the team, the media, the fans, etc., that he wouldn't choose his words more carefully in what he says about what the Pats did. A simple statement would have sufficed, something like "they made a great offer to me and it was hard to turn down but as I stated previously I felt the best place for me to continue my career was to go home to the Jets." Words matter, he's smart enough to know that, and should practice that as well. But that's a nitpick.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Uncharacteristically, I'm not the least POed at Revis for leaving. Coming in, it was apparent he was most motivated by $ and had an expressed (although perverse) affection for the Jets. He was what he said he was. He was a fine team mate here and played exceedingly well, excepting maybe in the Ravens game. Team and fans got their money's worth. Would have liked him to stay but clearly the Jets had the cap $$$ and motivation.

I'm onto the next CB.

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Agreed.

Revis gave us a fine year for the $12M he was paid. The patriots had the option to complete their 2/$32M contract. That was simply too much. In any case, THANK YOU to Revis for a fine year. Ditto to Browner.

Folks, it's a business. I don't blame Revis any more than I would blame the Patriots for cutting Wilfork.

Revis did nothing wrong.

Now, if you want to see someone who did something wrong, look at when Mankins went AWOL for a large part of a season refusing to follow the rules of the CBA regarding RESTRICTED FA's.

I just gotta say before Revis signed with the Jets and really as soon as he arrived last March everyone thought he was here for the long haul and as soon as he goes back to jersey now nobody though he would and everyone knew it was a one year deal. I mean c'mon man be grateful for what he gave us and move on. Calling him a whore is a bit much (although Beavis is fair play). Although I do fully expect him (as Rob first predicted) to be on NFLN after he retires regretting not taking less to return to New England.

Froob said:

I just gotta say before Revis signed with the Jets and really as soon as he arrived last March everyone thought he was here for the long haul and as soon as he goes back to jersey now nobody though he would and everyone knew it was a one year deal. I mean c'mon man be grateful for what he gave us and move on. Calling him a whore is a bit much (although Beavis is fair play). Although I do fully expect him (as Rob first predicted) to be on NFLN after he retires regretting not taking less to return to New England.

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These are the same people that thought he was overrated and couldn't cover anyone without committing PI when he was in New York from 2008-2012 (discounting his rookie year) and then turned around and started calling him the best CB in the game as soon as the Pats signed him.

Tunescribe said:

So tired of hearing about Whore24 and his money. Money, money, money. Blah, blah, blah. Go enjoy your life of excess, Darrelle, and shut up about it.

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I'll give myself a very, very light pat on the back. Early in the season I called Revis what he is.. a mercenary.. and said that I would make McCourty a priority to sign over him.

that's kind of how it shook out, Revis IS a mercenary and had no sense of loyalty to the Patriots.

I thank him for his efforts in helping us win that 4th Lombardi, but life goes on. he's back with the Rat Jests and is happy to be back there. . He's the enemy now and he's not coming back, so just keep plowing forward

IllegalContact said:

the laws of average say he will not earn that money

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Which is exactly the kind of statistical probability and actuarial-esque calculations the team uses to determine how they can - sometimes predict future performance and manage risk.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that they can tell you how many CBs at age 33 have made the Pro-Bowl, All-Pro and how -for each age have fared in completion % against and defensive passer rating.

They have a sports analytics conference at MIT every year. Caserio and Ernie Adams always attend. BB was there a couple of years ago IIRC.

Gronkandez said:

According to Mike Reiss it didn't matter what the Pats offered him because somehow the Pats knew the Jets were going to beat their offer.

ps. I personally don't think the Jets offer was crazy money.

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I'm somewhat annoyed with how Revis said, "The Pats chose not to pick up the $20m option".

It was my understanding that there was an agreement in place but also there was a rumor that Revis had a change of heart and wanted the Pats to pick it up.

Not sure what to believe?

Revis was a true professional last year and, after some September hiccups, was the best CB in the league. If you are mad at him for leaving when precedent pretty much assured him of doing so, then it seems your expectations were the problem, not Darrelle.

robertweathers said:

I'm somewhat annoyed with how Revis said, "The Pats chose not to pick up the $20m option".

It was my understanding that there was an agreement in place but also there was a rumor that Revis had a change of heart and wanted the Pats to pick it up.

Not sure what to believe?

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The patriots could have paid Revis $32M for two years (2014-2015). the team could have chosen to pick up the option. Why should say that the patriots chose not to pick up the option. The fact that he made the statement does NOT imply that Revis wanted them to do so, although an additional $20M for one year's play would likely have been OK for him.

robertweathers said:

Which is exactly the kind of statistical probability and actuarial-esque calculations the team uses to determine how they can - sometimes predict future performance and manage risk.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that they can tell you how many CBs at age 33 have made the Pro-Bowl, All-Pro and how -for each age have fared in completion % against and defensive passer rating.

They have a sports analytics conference at MIT every year. Caserio and Ernie Adams always attend. BB was there a couple of years ago IIRC.

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the pats got an all-pro corner for 12M last year........they took their winnings and left the table

revis probably thought he could recoup some of his "shortfall"

I'm ok with how the whole revis/browner thing worked out......the pats are maddeningly consistent

and I lone how it makes felger and mazz foam at the mouth........pretty much confirms it was the right move