Reiss expects Pats to be fined-deflategate? No farking way

vyrago said:

On what grounds?

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That's the problem, NFL isn't a court of law, they can do whatever they want. They can be as arbitrary and capricious as they want when it come to enforcing (or not enforcing) their own rules.

What are the Pats going to do? Appeal to Goodell? File a lawsuit in court? I doubt it

And what are we going to do? Not watch football? Not click on sports sites? I doubt it.

I was able to tune out the NBA because of a lowlife commissioner who prostituted the sport for a few bucks. I'm not sure I can do the same with the NFL but if Reiss is correct, I'll have to try.

RayClay said:

then demand that the referees test every ball with gauges in front of the cameras before every game or the Patriots don't play.

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Not sure this would be a good resolution for anyone. Especially the Pats

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

That's the problem, NFL isn't a court of law, they can do whatever they want. They can be as arbitrary and capricious as they want when it come to enforcing (or not enforcing) their own rules.

What are the Pats going to do? Appeal to Goodell? File a lawsuit in court? I doubt it

And what are we going to do? Not watch football? Not click on sports sites? I doubt it.

I was able to tune out the NBA because of a lowlife commissioner who prostituted the sport for a few bucks. I'm not sure I can do the same with the NFL but if Reiss is correct, I'll have to try.

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As much as I love the Pats and football, I've almost reached this point. I'm genuinely not sure how much more BS I can take from the NFL before I stop watching.

I once believed that there would be a kind of justice to come out of this, but I no longer believe it. I have come to believe that, unfortunately, the ownership group is made up more of the Irsay'Snyder type than the Kraft/Mara type. I really truly believe that the majority of the league owners have a bead case of Patriot fatigue. Our continued success is ultimately a huge slap in the face to their own management acumen, or lack thereof. EVERY year the Pats trot out another 11-12 game winning season, and another playoff run make their own efforts look small and unimportant.

And NONE of those 32 guys come with anything less that massive egos. The fact is that their panties are in an uproar, and any knock on the Pats and their legacy just makes it just that much easier on them when they have to deal with their own fan bases. So when a fan asks his owner, "why can we be like the Pats?" The owner can smugly say. "Well its just harder to be so consistent when you demand we follow the rules and keep our integrity"

I also think this jealousy from the other owners is marginalizing Kraft as a critical owner. Bob is more like a former speaker of the house, whose party just lost their majority. The cameras and reporters still find him, but he has no real power any more.

Roger Goodell has set out an anti-Patriots agenda that has been carefully being followed for many years now. There is no other reason for what happened in "defflategate". It came from the top, and with Goodell knowing he had support from a majority of the owner. How else could all those well timed leaks keep coming from the league. How else can these "sources" keep appearing and disappearing at will. How else can you explain, after ALL the ineptitude, why Roger Goodell still has a job?

There will likely be no justice n Deflategate. There won't be a revisiting of "cameraplacementgate". There won't be any picks coming our way for the tampering by the Jets. In fact I wouldn't be shocked it the league reprimanded Kraft and took away our 3rd round comp pick.

I've fought the good fight like SO many others here for many years.l But I've come to believe that it was to no good end. I'm beginning to think that our only choice is to own the bad rep and learn to embrace it. We can become the outlaws of the league, the Raiders of the 2010's. Because the alternative is to continue to shovel sh!t against the tide, because its the LEAGUE who is sanctioning the smear campaign

BTW- if it is true an the league wants to save some face and force the Pats to pay a fine, I'd love if Bod took it real personally, and told those jealous hypocrites to stuff it. And he'd be fine to shut down the team and sit out a year, rather than pay a fine, regardless of how small for something they didn't do. Christ Bob, its only money and you can't take it with you

I agree with everyone here, a fine is tantamount to an admission of Patriots guilt and is completely unacceptable. If Goodell does fine the Pats, he will be looking for a job same time next year.

DefenseRules said:

I started watching football with my father when I was 5 years old. I love the game, but this is the first time in my life that I don't look forward to the new season. I am sick of the NFL. I'm sick of their rules, and propaganda. If the Pats are punished in any way for this crap, without evidence, I don't think that I can continue to watch this sport. It is becoming to damn stressful. We Patriot Fans WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO WATCH OUR TEAM PLAY IN PEACE, UNTIL they become an under five hundred team. This league hates the success this franchise has. They absolutely hate it. They change rules to hurt them, they make up crap to tarnish their reputation. What's next? I just can't stand it anymore. It's to STRESSFUL.

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Embrace the hate and the winning.

Not gonna worry about this until Schefter reports it

patfanken said:

BTW- if it is true an the league wants to save some face and force the Pats to pay a fine, I'd love if Bod took it real personally, and told those jealous hypocrites to stuff it. And he'd be fine to shut down the team and sit out a year, rather than pay a fine, regardless of how small for something they didn't do. Christ Bob, its only money and you can't take it with you

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Didn't Kraft just recently speak up in support of Goodell recently after reiterating that the league has no proof of wrongdoing? If the league issues any punishment against us without supporting evidence, Kraft MUST fight back or he has betrayed the fanbase.

patfanken said:

................. I'd love if Bod took it real personally, and told those jealous hypocrites to stuff it. And he'd be fine to shut down the team and sit out a year, rather than pay a fine, regardless of how small for something they didn't do. Christ Bob, its only money and you can't take it with you

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Ken,

I understand your resolve, but we all know, monkeys would fly out of our butts just before this would happen....

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

That's the problem, NFL isn't a court of law, they can do whatever they want. They can be as arbitrary and capricious as they want when it come to enforcing (or not enforcing) their own rules.

What are the Pats going to do? Appeal to Goodell? File a lawsuit in court? I doubt it

And what are we going to do? Not watch football? Not click on sports sites? I doubt it.

I was able to tune out the NBA because of a lowlife commissioner who prostituted the sport for a few bucks. I'm not sure I can do the same with the NFL but if Reiss is correct, I'll have to try.

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Why do you think a lawsuit is out of the question? or even not likely?

I don't get this, if your saying the league can financially punish the pats due to rules in thier charter without the pats having recourse, I think your wrong, and Al Davis proved that in court. By punishing a team without solid evidence of wrongdoing you are hurting their value. They can not ignore the laws of science, They pay for Columbia for a trial or experiments and ignore the conclusions and fine the pats.
That is a basis for a civil suit. Just because you are in a league does not allow them to decrease the value of your team. This league stuff can not be enforced. Jerry Jones told the league that he is Pepsi, and he don't give a **** that the league was coke no matter how many rules they had.

It is already pretty much accepted by even the haters that +/- .5PSI is not a valid control
for games played outside.

The nfl is not like joining the military where your constitutional rights are given up when you become a member.

If, as expected, the Wells report reveals no proof of wrongdoing, I'll bet anything that Jolly Roger issues a nominal fine ($25k) anyway with the mindset "well, the Patriots won't contest something this small and it will appease the haters."

well....providing the fact that there is much more concrete and substantial eveidence when it comes to the Jets tampering, I would be ok with some miniscule fine based on a procedural error

So long as he hands the pats the Jets 1st round pick (no swap) for the most egregious case of tampering ever.

That would be an absolute travesty if they were fined but, given the ******* clown in charge of the league, it wouldn't surprise me to see the team get fined without a single shred of evidence. If they DO get fined, they should pay the league office in a truck full of pennies.

patman52 said:

Why do you think a lawsuit is out of the question? or even not likely?

I don't get this, if your saying the league can financially punish the pats due to rules in thier charter without the pats having recourse, I think your wrong, and Al Davis proved that in court. By punishing a team without solid evidence of wrongdoing you are hurting their value. They can not ignore the laws of science, They pay for Columbia for a trial or experiments and ignore the conclusions and fine the pats.
That is a basis for a civil suit. Just because you are in a league does not allow them to decrease the value of your team. This league stuff can not be enforced. Jerry Jones told the league that he is Pepsi, and he don't give a **** that the league was coke no matter how many rules they had.

It is already pretty much accepted by even the haters that +/- .5PSI is not a valid control
for games played outside.

The nfl is not like joining the military where your constitutional rights are given up when you become a member.

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I know 2 things about Goodell: he's a native New Yorker and he isn't very bright (or honest based on what we learned in the Rice fiasco). He literally put the league's anti-trust status at risk in 2007 just to screw the Patriots when he easily could have handled that matter quietly.
Kraft could have, and should have, stood up to Goodell back then but didn't. What makes you think he'll stand up to him now?

I find it extremely difficult to believe that, even if true, there will be any revelation about any sting operation, significant guilt attributed to Kensil, the NFL, Grlgson, the Colts or any other non-Patriot participant in this entire affair. The idea that a minor fine and its acceptance by the Patriots will be soon forgotten by the fans and media around the country is so naive as to be inconceivable. Rather, it will be viewed as more proof of cheating and, over time, will be remembered in a manner so far from the original alleged offense that it will unrecognizable. I'd love for the Pats to be exonerated and others found culpable. I'll believe it possible when pigs fly.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I know 2 things about Goodell: he's a native New Yorker and he isn't very bright (or honest based on what we learned in the Rice fiasco). He literally put the league's anti-trust status at risk in 2007 just to screw the Patriots when he easily could have handled that matter quietly.
Kraft could have, and should have, stood up to Goodell back then but didn't. What makes you think he'll stand up to him now?

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Perhaps you missed the press conference where he did exactly that.

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

I know 2 things about Goodell: he's a native New Yorker and he isn't very bright (or honest based on what we learned in the Rice fiasco). He literally put the league's anti-trust status at risk in 2007 just to screw the Patriots when he easily could have handled that matter quietly.
Kraft could have, and should have, stood up to Goodell back then but didn't. What makes you think he'll stand up to him now?

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Did you miss that press conference he had at the height of deflategate?

my guess is that it is like the Charger fine for the stick-em towel incident. No evidence of wrong doing but we fined them (I believe 25k) anyway because of some procedural issue. The league will make something up about not maintaining control of the tested balls through start of game or something like that...........

time will tell.....all I know is they played with properly inflated balls the whole second half and still kicked the snot out of the the Colts and went on to win the SB............Pats Fan 4-Ever!!!!!

We all know Roger does what he wants, why he wants. Once this is over without us losing a draft pick I will be relieved and, honestly, surprised.

I doubt we did anything wrong and if we did there appears to be no evidence. But that may not stop Roger. This kind of thing is like Viagra to him.

Galeb said:

Perhaps you missed the press conference where he did exactly that.

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I DID see that and it was great. The problem is he just recently came out in support of Goodell again (which is driving me absolutely nuts). I construe this to mean the investigation is over and we can expect good news. However, if Reiss's prediction is correct, then I'm sorry, Kraft is screwing the fanbase over.