Florio: Jets File Tampering charges AGAINST Pats

PatsWickedPissah · Mar 25, 2015

You forgot SeaHags lobbying for an extra medical professional in the booth so as to kick Edelman out of the game

PatsFanSince74 · Mar 25, 2015

The Jets are just trying to limit the damage from Johnson's comments on Revis. It's a reasonable tactic, though not one that I think will be successful in this case because Johnson's remarks came "before the fact" and Kraft's remarks "after."

Once the media started talking about the inevitability of the Jets' being penalized a draft pick because of Johnson's remarks, the organization probably went into "damage control" mode and decided they had nothing to lose by throwing this against the wall and seeing if it stuck after Kraft made his comments.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. All just part of "doing business" in the NFL of today.

The Gr8est · Mar 25, 2015

So the feeling is the Pats were hammered so hard in CameraPlacementGate, not so much for the actual offense, but because BB ignored Goodell's memo.

So if he is consistent then the Rats should get hammered since the Rats tampering charge against the Pats makes a mockery of the rules against tampering, as well as the current case pending against them.

Do the needful Roger.

patman12 · Mar 25, 2015

Stupid Jets doing stupid Jets things.

The Gr8est · Mar 25, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
You might want to activate spellcheck.

Based on uses of it elsewhere on the internet, I suspect reflex spelled it as he intended.

5thRing-Hunt · Mar 25, 2015

The only reason the Jets are doing this is so they can give the league an excuse to say "both teams tampered so we'll just call it even and no punishments will be handed down." Or they'll make the teams trade picks which would be pointless. The point is Kraft didn't tamper at all. He was just answering questions after the deal was done. He wasn't trying to get Revis back because that's in the past. I'm a pretty big homer. I love the pats but if the pats filed a stupid tampering charge after we had acquired a player I would be ashamed.

BlueThunder · Mar 25, 2015

Each tampering charge is an INDEPENDENT investigation......

Goodell should finish the Patriot's tampering charge and then look into the Jet's ridiculous charge and just shake his head.

If he links the 2 together he is a bigger buffoon than Woody.

Ivan · Mar 25, 2015

robertweathers said:
From the doc @Deus Irae socialized with the forum.

Public/Private Statements. Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: “He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”) All clubs should be aware that improper disclosure of confidential trade discussions with another club may be a violation of this section on prohibited public statements.

Additional language that we have all read before...

The problem IMO is that the article is too vague and subject to interpretation.

As much as I think this is complete BS,I think the NYJ argument is that even though Kraft's comments are "unqualified", they also fall into the classification of what is to be considered tampering. What Kraft can then say is that the context of his comments are specific to the events that took place AFTER the Pats formally chose to release him from his contract thus making him a FA.

What a mess.

Not a mess at all, everything Kraft said was in the past tense and anyone with a second grade understanding of the English language understands that. That explains both why it is not tampering and why the Jets and their fans would think it is.

Patsfanin Philly · Mar 25, 2015

The Gr8est said:
Based on uses of it elsewhere on the internet, I suspect reflex spelled it as he intended.

Should have looked at the one posting. With all the Jets fans on this thread, it could have been one of those rocket scientists................

Ivan · Mar 25, 2015

TommyBrady12 said:
I'm worried about Kraft saying "He’s a great player. The fan in me wishes he were still [with] us.”

I love Kraft, but he shouldn't have said anything to the media. This is why Belichick is such a master - he gives them nothing. Now this gives goodell an excuse not to punish the jets. It is less likely now that the NFL will make a ruling in the next several weeks.

Once again, anyone who understand English recognizes he was talking about the negotiations they just finished, that's why he said " still. "

Only a ****** would think he's talking about 6 years from now.

Ivan · Mar 25, 2015

Bella*chick said:
Seriously, is there punishment for so obviously throwing a temper tantrum and filing frivolous charges? Because there damn well should be. Stuff like this makes the NFL look like even more of a joke than it already is. I cannot believe the Jets actually did this. Embarrassing on so many levels.

I believe there are are rules against filling false claims against other teams, maybe that will get the Patriots their second as well add the #6 overall.

This is awesome, I'm expecting Woody Johnson to hold a press conference complaining that Brady is underpaid and that he would give him twice as much to play for the Jets

RobertWeathers · Mar 25, 2015

Ivan said:
Not a mess at all, everything Kraft said was in the past tense and anyone with a second grade of the English language understands that. That explains both why it is not tampering and why the Jets and their fans would think it is.

It is a mess. Let me explain.

Between what Bob and Woody said the difference is so clear-cut this thread should not even have been started. IMO the Jets are viewing this situation in the light that they have nothing to lose and using the NFL's inability to be consistent in it's rulings, use common sense, sound judgement and logic against them in this situation. They can't consistently discern between what is important and what is irrelevant.

That is why this is a mess- because the NFL doesn't know how to deal with messes at a functional and rational level. My 8 year old has better problem resolution skills. Ridiculous.

They can't afford cameras that help take the guesswork out of critical end zone calls but can spend millions of $ in a multi-month investigation on deflated footballs that everyone knows is complete BS?

Idiots.

stealthdog · Mar 25, 2015

This pretty much confirms the multiple reports yesterday - the league is about the hammer the Jets for tampering. The timing of this is no coincidence. The Jets are trying to delay any penalty the league gives them until after this years Draft. Accomplishes two things - doesn't impact their draft this year (they already got rid of a bunch of their picks) and I'm assuming the Jets hope their draft position is worse next year (not 6th....maybe low teens instead?).

Hopefully the league does not link this with the Jets Tampering act and treats them as different investigations.

Clown organizations do clown things.

Brady_to_Moss · Mar 25, 2015

BlueThunder said:
Each tampering charge is an INDEPENDENT investigation......

Goodell should finish the Patriot's tampering charge and then look into the Jet's ridiculous charge and just shake his head.

If he links the 2 together he is a bigger buffoon than Woody.

Are you implying Goodell should/will do the right thing?! He's under his bed right now praying to whatever it is he prays to that everything stops

Silver Blue&Red · Mar 25, 2015

The difference between the two is, Kraft said it after the deal was done. MorningWood said it before any deals were finalized. And while still under contract with the Pats. The charges against the Jests will stand and the charges against the Pats will look like sour grapes and wasting NFL resources. They really are a pathetic organization

reflexblue · Mar 25, 2015

Patsfanin Philly said:
You might want to activate spellcheck.

ok

Ivan · Mar 25, 2015

Ken Canin said:
You did, or someone did, I remember that thread. Can you link to the post?

This illustrates why lawyers tell their clients not to talk to the media (or anyone else) about a case. Any comment no matter how innocuous can give rise to a claim, and a claim, even it is not meritorious, can muddy the waters. Here, obviously what Kraft said was not tampering, as it was in the past tense. But it's time consuming to prove that fact. The Jets attorneys will insist that there was an implied offer beyond the literal language. All the Jets need to do is hassle and annoy Kraft enough so that he decides not to pursue the original claim of tampering.

The people here arguing that the Jets claim is not meritorious miss the legal strategy: the Jets don't need to prove their claim is valid, they just need to make it as annoying and time consuming as possible to defend.

If by time you mean the ten seconds it takes to read it you are right. It should take the NFL at least five to ten seconds depending how distracted they are at the time. There are rules against filling false or frivolous claims and the Jets just violated that rule as well. There is no implied offer as he was clearly talking about a negotiation they lost out on and not one six years from now when Revis is free agent again.

Ring 6 · Mar 25, 2015

If the Jets feel what Kraft did was tampering, did they not just admit they are guilty?

makoute · Mar 25, 2015

robertweathers said:
It is a mess. Let me explain.

Between what Bob and Woody said the difference is so clear-cut this thread should not even have been started. IMO the Jets are viewing this situation in the light that they have nothing to lose and using the NFL's inability to be consistent in it's rulings, use common sense, sound judgement and logic against them in this situation. They can't consistently discern between what is important and what is irrelevant.

That is why this is a mess- because the NFL doesn't know how to deal with messes at a functional and rational level. My 8 year old has better problem resolution skills. Ridiculous.

They can't afford cameras that help take the guesswork out of critical end zone calls but can spend millions of $ in a multi-month investigation on deflated footballs that everyone knows is complete BS?

Idiots.

More reason why Kraft should have left the PR work at home.

makoute · Mar 25, 2015

stealthdog said:
This pretty much confirms the multiple reports yesterday - the league is about the hammer the Jets for tampering. The timing of this is no coincidence. The Jets are trying to delay any penalty the league gives them until after this years Draft. Accomplishes two things - doesn't impact their draft this year (they already got rid of a bunch of their picks) and I'm assuming the Jets hope their draft position is worse next year (not 6th....maybe low teens instead?).

Hopefully the league does not link this with the Jets Tampering act and treats them as different investigations.

Clown organizations do clown things.

The time can't be anything but coincidence, Kraft made the comments this weeks, they would either wait to file charges, or do so now, they couldn't do it before, since there was no comment to compel them to file.

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