Schefter: Expect Harsh Punishments if wrongdoing found in NFL investigations

Wheelman · Mar 24, 2015

Adam Schefter said:
Ted Wells wants to be very thorough and he wants to go back to when they changed the ruling on the air pressures in the balls where they could take some balls out where Tom Brady and Peyton Manning lobbied so quarterbacks could dictate the air pressure in the balls, and so he’s going back to then.

I don't understand this. I thought Brady and Manning just lobbied to use their own balls, not lobby about air pressure in the balls. Can someone clarify this?

TBR · Mar 24, 2015

Read the title quickly and thought this was about deflategate. Thankfully it's not.

fnordcircle · Mar 24, 2015

Placeholder for when the punishment is next to nothing.

mgteich · Mar 24, 2015

Galeb said:
What if

Exactly.

Revis didn't know whether there would be any bidders for $15M or more. However, there was no reason for Revis not to wait and find out. Waiting would not have reduced his value. Revis has a competent agent. I expect that he gave Revis reasonable advice.

So, my bottom line is that

1) Revis didn't know exactly what his value was.

2) Any patriot offer would likely have been available on March 11th.

3) There was ZERO reason for Revis to sign before March 11th.

OBVIOUSLY, the situation is different there was direct tampering, as I suspect was the case for other teams for other players. Other players signed very detailed contracts on the night of March 10th or on March 11th, almost NOT possible without direct contact.

Peachhead · Mar 24, 2015

KamikazeKnight said:
I wonder what Belichick would do with the #6 pick.

BB loves his stud D-linemen. Besides QBs they're probably the rarest and most valuable commodities on the field.

DT/NT Danny Shelton. Or a DE if one he wants is still available. Then he would have total flexibility when Jones comes up for contract talks next year.

Or he could totally tick all of us of and trade down multiple times.

ctpatsfan77 · Mar 24, 2015

KamikazeKnight said:
I wonder what Belichick would do with the #6 pick.

Trade down to #11 so the fifth year tender drops.

OhExaulted1 · Mar 24, 2015

Peachhead said:
BB loves his stud D-linemen. Besides QBs they're probably the rarest and most valuable commodities on the field.

DT/NT Danny Shelton. Or a DE if one he wants is still available. Then he would have total flexibility when Jones comes up for contract talks next year.

Or he could total tick all of us of and trade down multiple times.

With the #6 overall pick, the New England Patriots select:

Marcus Mariota, QB Oregon

Patstopia · Mar 24, 2015

It's the Patriots vs NFL. The Patriots will be punished for dangling Revis out there and forcing the poor Jets to tamper with him!

Galeb · Mar 24, 2015

mgteich said:
Exactly.

Revis didn't know whether there would be any bidders for $15M or more. However, there was no reason for Revis not to wait and find out. Waiting would not have reduced his value. Revis has a competent agent. I expect that he gave Revis reasonable advice.

So, my bottom line is that

1) Revis didn't know exactly what his value was.

2) Any patriot offer would likely have been available on March 11th.

3) There was ZERO reason for Revis to sign before March 11th.

OBVIOUSLY, the situation is different there was direct tampering, as I suspect was the case for other teams for other players. Other players signed very detailed contracts on the night of March 10th or on March 11th, almost NOT possible without direct contact.

"What if" is the foundation of a thorough analysis. Many elite players have signed before becoming a free agent. Step back and take an objective look at your analysis. It's based on far too many assumptions.

Rob0729 · Mar 24, 2015

Before everyone pissed off the league office with blatant tampering during the legal tampering period, I figured the Jets would not have to surrender a heck of a lot for their tampering. Now that the league needs to make an example of someone, I expect a harsher punishment. I still don't expect a first or second rounder without evidence of them contacting Revis, but a third isn't out of the question.

Bourne Again Christian · Mar 24, 2015

I think the Televised sale is worse than Woody contacting his agent.
Its the equalivency of being in a hard break up rebound then see your long time ex on tv as your clicking the remote and she says it wasn't up to her it was her Mother that triggered the decision and her friends and she would do anything to get you back because its the worst decision she ever made.
Now before this you couldn't give a crap but now your thinking.

Bourne Again Christian · Mar 24, 2015

Also she says in the video she will make you filthy rich if you take her back.
That might take affect.

patsfan-1982 · Mar 24, 2015

they may use the jets as a example but there "Harsh Punishment" will not be the pats taking the #6 pick they may take it from them but it wont go to the pats I would love it if they did that but they cant cause there was a lot of teams that teams that wear tampering before FA started,

the most a see happening is a $250,000 fine and a swap of 3rd round picks which I think would be the biggest fine and Draft pick swap in NFL history for Tampering

JMC00 · Mar 24, 2015

patsfan-1982 said:
but they cant cause there was a lot of teams that teams that wear tampering before FA started,

Except Revis was under contract to the Pats until March 10 4pm, Pats could have opted to pick up the option at 3:59PM. Those other instances was those guys were going to be free agents.

Ochmed Jones · Mar 24, 2015

I think only 4 teams or so have not had a draft pick in the single digits since 2005. The pats are one of them, I would love to see that streak end at the tampering hands of he jets.

woolster22 · Mar 24, 2015

Rob0729 said:
Before everyone pissed off the league office with blatant tampering during the legal tampering period, I figured the Jets would not have to surrender a heck of a lot for their tampering. Now that the league needs to make an example of someone, I expect a harsher punishment. I still don't expect a first or second rounder without evidence of them contacting Revis, but a third isn't out of the question.

A third was the precedent set with the Briggs case, their 2nd should be on the table.

Sicilian · Mar 24, 2015

Ochmed Jones said:
I think only 4 teams or so have not had a draft pick in the single digits since 2005. The pats are one of them, I would love to see that streak end at the tampering hands of he jets.

They had the 7th pick in 08, which they then traded down to 10 to pick Mayo.

Deus Irae · Mar 24, 2015

woolster22 said:
A third was the precedent set with the Briggs case, their 2nd should be on the table.

Yes, assuming a rational, reasonable and consistent commissioner with a ratcheting approach to the punishment aspect of the penal code, the Patriots should get no lower than a 2nd round swap, and the Jets should also lose a draft pick beyond that.

The potential fly in the ointment, of course, is the need for a rational, reasonable and consistent commissioner with a ratcheting approach to the punishment aspect of the penal code. Rodger has not fit that description to this point in his tenure.

PatsFan2 · Mar 24, 2015

Froob said:
Better happen before the draft. We sure as hell don't want the player the jets take with the sixth pick

Good one Froob.

Ivan · Mar 24, 2015

mgteich said:
The public statements by the owner are apparently not enough to make determinations. The open question seems to be whether the jets contact Revis or his agent.

If not, then, as so many have said, the owner will be fined for his stupidity.
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Just BTW, I question the analysis of anyone who thinks that the statement by the jets owner affected the decision of the Revis not to sign before free agency started or the decision of the patriots not to pick up his option. There is no direct harm to the patriots unless one of those decisions was affected. I am NOT saying that direct harm is necessary to determine a violation.
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A couple of weeks before free agency, many here thought that there would be teams offering Revis $15M or more a year. No one was sure who those teams were. Unless there was DIRECT contact, Revis didn't know the details of what the jets would offer. Personally, I think that his agent would have suggested that Revis should wait and see. There was exactly ZERO to be gained by Revis signing before March 11th.

Woody Johnson was the one who ordered John Idzik to trade Revis, he was also the one who said no to Ryan on bringing Revis back when Tampa was releasing him and Revis wanted to return to the Jets. When Woody Johnson went public with his desire to bring Revis back to NY it was a complete 180 and it completely ended any chance the Patriots had of getting a a deal done with Revis prior to the end of the season and prior to seeing what the Jets would give him. And that was just the first tamper. Then they leaked they they were having high level talks about signing Revis the day of the Super Bowl, and followed that up by leading the details of the deal they were offering. Then they signed him to a huge front loaded deal within hours of his release. It is easily the worst case of tampering the league has ever seen and the player was of the highest level, the teams are division rivals, and they actually signed him. If that's not worth their first then no case ever will be.

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