Sign the Beast XXIV-c: Are we saving the cap room for AP?

No offense to the op, but your poll options make this thread more about morality than about the dollars and cents and x's and o's. What he did was terrible and unnaceptable for the record.

As far as the patriots are concerned, his cap hit is way to high. Maybe if he was cut and wanted to play for a winner something could be worked out but that's a lot of ifs.

Putting aside the issues for a minute and looking at him purely as a football player he is easily the best RB in the game and he as dominant as you can get at the position. Comparing Blount to him is borderline insane, Peterson is as close to unstoppable as there is. Few RBs are worth that kind of money but he's an exception and his presence would allow the Patriots to dominate Time of Possession and would probably offset the loss of Revis more than any other player potentially available. So if the goal is just another ring then it would be a good move.

Now back to reality. First is the issue of child abuse and I agree that he is not someone to bring in if he hasn't fully realized how egregious his behavior was and atoned for it. Second is the issue of compensation and I don't see the Vikings just giving him away. Last is his salary, which would essentially put the Patriots back in a box similar to what a Revis deal would have done. So for all of those reasons I just don't see this happening.

Belichick has reset them for the coming years and I think he is simply going to take a methodical approach towards addressing their weaknesses and building them back to a championship level after some of the losses they had in this free agency. Overall they are not that far off and the real competition has not really improved much, it was the bottom feeders who made the big moves and spent the big money. So he won't go quick fix he will be deliberate and just keep putting the pieces together.

I am for second chances. The Pats have had their share.

I am 100% in on adding AP and he is less money than Revis but might accomplish the same thing.

I am well aware of the cultural differences of the south versus the mostly "kids will be kids" let's-not-harm-their-psyches with punishment liberal views of upbringing around here. Over the top on AP? Yes ....the photos say so. AP got those same whoopins. Many of us on like have gotten at least a wooden spoon across the butt. That is enough on that.

Was AP the badass that Corey Dillon was? Nope.

The dynamic of AP would be far reaching. Remember we went the Corey Dillon route as well in our prior SB to this year's. Dillon was in his prime and a headache, but turned into a good soldier here. He was brought to bring the Pats a solid run game and another SB run. He did. He had almost 1,700 yards and 12 TDs in 15 games! Ironically he was 30 years old! He was a major feature in outr 2005 SB run.

We had a great "D" but Johnson , McGinest, Harrison, Poole and Bruschi were now heading the wrong direction in age.

Our O Line wasn't much better than today but had youngsters Light and Koppen.

O.K. Petersen is 30 but had a year off. Just how do you defend the Patriots with AP and our passing attack? We can squeeze one or two more years out of consensus SB runs and it protects Brady's health by having an AP.

The most dynamic move in the off season by any Team in the NFL. Bill has done this before with Moss, Dillon etc.

Remember Corey had a rap sheet before college, was a malcontent with management and spoke out against them He was known as a major head case.

AP has always been respectful and a good team mate. His transgression while severe, does not linger as per Dillon....yet the Dillon move worked well for BB and it cost him a high choice of a second rounder. So BB will pull the trigger on someone like that.

This move "helps the Team" , preserves Brady and is a two headed nightmare for D coordinators. He will without a doubt cost us #32 plus a player (they want an RB....Gray?). It also is big dollars but still less than Revis. I think a healthy AP might be more valuable than Revis. He keeps opponents offenses off the field!

I do not think AP is a bad person.
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I don't understand America's obsession with apologies. Every time someone does something, they're apparently supposed to stand up before a podium and apologize to 350 million people, as if he or she owes everyone from Cape Cod to San Fran an "I'm sorry for my actions."

The 350 million people living between Cape Cod and San Fran aren't holier-than-thou, and quite frankly don't deserve **** from Adrian Peterson. Who the hell are they and how in the hell is it any of their business?

AP wasn't found guilty of felony, but everyone wants to act as if he did. He was only found guilty of reckless assault, which isn't the worse thing in the world. It's a misdemeanor. It's essentially a parent going overboard one night.

The pictures, quite frankly, should never have been leaked to the public. Even the Mother was pissed off about that, and rightfully so, and she was the one who took the boy to the Doctor.

When you allow the media to take said pictures and add a caption to them, like "TOM BRADY CHEATS WITH FLAT FOOTBALLS," it lets peoples imaginations run wild.

If those same pictures had the caption, "Boy crashes bike into thicket of thorn bushes", nobody thinks anything of it, but the scratches get magnified a thousand fold and become life-threatening when the caption is "FOOTBALL PLAYER VICIOUSLY ATTACKS BOY WITH WEAPON."

People now have a sadistic parent in their heads because they saw a photograph with a media narrative.

The courts and justice system, reliant on truths and facts and a deeper understanding than TMZ/ESPN media **** storms, didn't agree with that assessment, and only charged him with a misdemeanor.

I'm not clamoring for the Patriots to sign Adrian Peterson, and pretty much guarantee they won't, but if they did, you wouldn't hear any complaining from me.

patsinthesnow said:

We trsded for Corey Dillon at the same age coming off a SB win.

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And Dillon was actually a worse person overall. However the cap numbers are radically different and I can't see Belichick paying a RB 10 million plus.

AP is a sociopath.

PATS16N0 said:

I don't understand America's obsession with apologies. Every time someone does something, they're apparently supposed to stand up before a podium and apologize to 350 million people, as if he or she owes everyone from Cape Cod to San Fran an "I'm sorry for my actions."

The 350 million people living between Cape Cod and San Fran aren't holier-than-thou, and quite frankly don't deserve **** from Adrian Peterson. Who the hell are they and how in the hell is it any of their business?

AP wasn't found guilty of felony, but everyone wants to act as if he did. He was only found guilty of reckless assault, which isn't the worse thing in the world. It's a misdemeanor. It's essentially a parent going overboard one night.

The pictures, quite frankly, should never have been leaked to the public. Even the Mother was pissed off about that, and rightfully so, and she was the one who took the boy to the Doctor.

When you allow the media to take said pictures and add a caption to them, like "TOM BRADY CHEATS WITH FLAT FOOTBALLS," it lets peoples imaginations run wild.

If those same pictures had the caption, "Boy crashes bike into thicket of thorn bushes", nobody thinks anything of it, but the scratches get magnified a thousand fold and become life-threatening when the caption is "FOOTBALL PLAYER VICIOUSLY ATTACKS BOY WITH WEAPON."

People now have a sadistic parent in their heads because they saw a photograph with a media narrative.

The courts and justice system, reliant on truths and facts and a deeper understanding than TMZ/ESPN media **** storms, didn't agree with that assessment, and only charged him with a misdemeanor.

I'm not clamoring for the Patriots to sign Adrian Peterson, and pretty much guarantee they won't, but if they did, you wouldn't hear any complaining from me.

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Well put.
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ChrisR2223 said:

Are we saving the cap room for AP?


Just a thought he has said he wants out of Minnesota they are trying to force their hand in a release but what about a trade a low mid like a 4th or 5th could get it done.

He would have a chance at a Superbowl and we would have a bellcow back that could Extend Bradys career.

Now I know the way he punished his kids is excessive but honestly my grandparents were the same way belts paddles with holes hanger things like that its a southern way of doing things.

I would never treat my own children that way.

If that's the only thing you know however it becomes and feels acceptable and normal.

I'm sure the way AP disciplined his children is the same way he was himself disciplined and saw no error in it.

Again we have the cap we have a winning situation maybe he would play on a 2 year 10 Million dollar contract somewhere around there.


Would you forgive and applaud the move?

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There is a thin line between disciplining your child and child abuse. AP arguably crossed the line here with an old-timey method of child discipline but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was going for discipline instead of abuse. I'm far more offended by the likes of Cromartie who can't remember the names of his children.
Be nice to have AP but he seems more of a luxury rather than a need.

PATS16N0 said:

I don't understand America's obsession with apologies. Every time someone does something, they're apparently supposed to stand up before a podium and apologize to 350 million people, as if he or she owes everyone from Cape Cod to San Fran an "I'm sorry for my actions."

The 350 million people living between Cape Cod and San Fran aren't holier-than-thou, and quite frankly don't deserve **** from Adrian Peterson. Who the hell are they and how in the hell is it any of their business?

AP wasn't found guilty of felony, but everyone wants to act as if he did. He was only found guilty of reckless assault, which isn't the worse thing in the world. It's a misdemeanor. It's essentially a parent going overboard one night.

The pictures, quite frankly, should never have been leaked to the public. Even the Mother was pissed off about that, and rightfully so, and she was the one who took the boy to the Doctor.

When you allow the media to take said pictures and add a caption to them, like "TOM BRADY CHEATS WITH FLAT FOOTBALLS," it lets peoples imaginations run wild.

If those same pictures had the caption, "Boy crashes bike into thicket of thorn bushes", nobody thinks anything of it, but the scratches get magnified a thousand fold and become life-threatening when the caption is "FOOTBALL PLAYER VICIOUSLY ATTACKS BOY WITH WEAPON."

People now have a sadistic parent in their heads because they saw a photograph with a media narrative.

The courts and justice system, reliant on truths and facts and a deeper understanding than TMZ/ESPN media **** storms, didn't agree with that assessment, and only charged him with a misdemeanor.

I'm not clamoring for the Patriots to sign Adrian Peterson, and pretty much guarantee they won't, but if they did, you wouldn't hear any complaining from me.

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Yeah, a lot of people expect an apology when a grown ass NFL football player beats a tiny child until he's bloody. Sorry.

DW Toys said:

I am for second chances. The Pats have had their share.

I am 100% in on adding AP and he is less money than Revis but might accomplish the same thing.

I am well aware of the cultural differences of the south versus the mostly "kids will be kids" let's-not-harm-their-psyches with punishment liberal views of upbringing around here. Over the top on AP? Yes ....the photos say so. AP got those same whoopins. Many of us on like have gotten at least a wooden spoon across the butt. That is enough on that.

Was AP the badass that Corey Dillon was? Nope.

The dynamic of AP would be far reaching. Remember we went the Corey Dillon route as well in our prior SB to this year's. Dillon was in his prime and a headache, but turned into a good soldier here. He was brought to bring the Pats a solid run game and another SB run. He did. He had almost 1,700 yards and 12 TDs in 15 games! Ironically he was 30 years old! He was a major feature in outr 2005 SB run.

We had a great "D" but Johnson , McGinest, Harrison, Poole and Bruschi were now heading the wrong direction in age.

Our O Line wasn't much better than today but had youngsters Light and Koppen.

O.K. Petersen is 30 but had a year off. Just how do you defend the Patriots with AP and our passing attack? We can squeeze one or two more years out of consensus SB runs and it protects Brady's health by having an AP.

The most dynamic move in the off season by any Team in the NFL. Bill has done this before with Moss, Dillon etc.

Remember Corey had a rap sheet before college, was a malcontent with management and spoke out against them He was known as a major head case.

AP has always been respectful and a good team mate. His transgression while severe, does not linger as per Dillon....yet the Dillon move worked well for BB and it cost him a high choice of a second rounder. So BB will pull the trigger on someone like that.

This move "helps the Team" , preserves Brady and is a two headed nightmare for D coordinators. He will without a doubt cost us #32 plus a player (they want an RB....Gray?). It also is big dollars but still less than Revis. I think a healthy AP might be more valuable than Revis. He keeps opponents offenses off the field!

I do not think AP is a bad person.
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I doubt they will go that route but good post DW

ChrisR2223 said:

Are we saving the cap room for AP?


Just a thought he has said he wants out of Minnesota they are trying to force their hand in a release but what about a trade a low mid like a 4th or 5th could get it done.

He would have a chance at a Superbowl and we would have a bellcow back that could Extend Bradys career.

Now I know the way he punished his kids is excessive but honestly my grandparents were the same way belts paddles with holes hanger things like that its a southern way of doing things.

I would never treat my own children that way.

If that's the only thing you know however it becomes and feels acceptable and normal.

I'm sure the way AP disciplined his children is the same way he was himself disciplined and saw no error in it.

Again we have the cap we have a winning situation maybe he would play on a 2 year 10 Million dollar contract somewhere around there.


Would you forgive and applaud the move?

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no. i think if he goes anywhere it will be Dallas. I dont see him as a fit in N.E. We are a passing team and dont need a runner like AP. We can get by with what we have on the roster or FA...we can just plug and play at the RB position IMO

What AP did to a defenseless 40lb 4 year old is far worse than what Ray Rice did to a grown women. What Rice did was SOOOO wrong, but she actually charged at him. The thought of 4 year old just trying to cover up from the brutality of some 6-2 220 athlete makes my stomach turn.

That's no "culture" I could condone for any reason. I don't want that scumbag anywhere near Foxboro. How do you explain to your young kid who's a football fan what a "Whooping Room" is? 2nd chance? He's worth millions. Go find a place with Rice in Bolivia or something and get lost. Permanently.

Morality aside I dont think he would want to come here, as some have pointed out he doesnt want to be on a team that is a passing team first

YOUGOTMOSSED said:

There is a thin line between disciplining your child and child abuse. AP arguably crossed the line here with an old-timey method of child discipline but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was going for discipline instead of abuse. I'm far more offended by the likes of Cromartie who can't remember the names of his children.
Be nice to have AP but he seems more of a luxury rather than a need.

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I usually drew the line when it came to drawing blood, scarring and shoving $h!t down his throat when I punished my 4 year old son and I didn't consider it a "thin line", but that's just me.

Adrian Peterson is a bad parent. Whatever your views of how to discipline your child, a line is crossed when there's lasting damage. What lesson is so important that you make your four year old child bleed from the scrotum? Peterson went off the rails and deserves at least the misdemeanor. The kid needs protection.

Production on the field is separate from issues off the field. Both are considerations for the image of the team's brand. If the Patriots didn't care about off field issues they would welcome an acquitted Aaron Hernandez back with open arms. Ray Lewis was acquitted and he's a Ravens icon for his work on the field. The Patriots didn't waste any time in releasing Hernandez, and paid hefty penalties to boot. Kraft and Belichick care more about criminal charges these days, and I don't believe they'd work with Peterson.

On the off chance the Patriots do land Peterson I'd be intrigued, I'd cheer for him wearing the Flying Elvis, I'd put the domestic abuse behind -- but I don't think the Pats would or should aim for Peterson.

The more I think about the rest of the AFC East defense, the more a trade for AP makes sense...during the draft

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What AP did to a defenseless 40lb 4 year old is far worse than what Ray Rice did to a grown women. What Rice did was SOOOO wrong, but she actually charged at him. The thought of 4 year old just trying to cover up from the brutality of some 6-2 220 athlete makes my stomach turn.

That's no "culture" I could condone for any reason. I don't want that scumbag anywhere near Foxboro. How do you explain to your young kid who's a football fan what a "Whooping Room" is? 2nd chance? He's worth millions. Go find a place with Rice in Bolivia or something and get lost. Permanently.

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The culture argument pisses me off and the people who make it piss me off even more. To say I have no right to be critical of someone else because I'm not them and I have different experiences is, quite frankly, ********. Peterson beat a small child bloody and then laughed about it. That's wrong, plain and simple. That's not somebody I want the team I am a fan of paying millions of dollars to.

What about ISIS? Do I have a right to be critical of them beheading people, burning people alive, enslaving and raping women and children, and so on? I mean, it seems pretty bad. But then again, they are from another culture. So maybe it's all ok after all. Right?

Not for nothing, but we have a huge female following up here especially now with all the success we've had. Ray Rice, Greg Hardy and I believe Peterson aren't and never were a true consideration. With all the national hatred spewing our way the last thing this team needs to do is alienate the large female fan base we have.

This organization is too smart not to realize that.

Ivan said:

And Dillon was actually a worse person overall. However the cap numbers are radically different and I can't see Belichick paying a RB 10 million plus.

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Agreed. However, if AP was ever released, I wouldn't be surprised if we were in on him based off history with Dillon.

OhExaulted1 said:

That's no "culture" I could condone for any reason. I don't want that scumbag anywhere near Foxboro. How do you explain to your young kid who's a football fan what a "Whooping Room" is? 2nd chance? He's worth millions. Go find a place with Rice in Bolivia or something and get lost. Permanently.

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Parental culture is a very subjective thing.

For instance, being a ****ing moron and raising children that turn out looking like this…


…isn't a "culture" I can condone, and if I had to choose between being raised by Barry Sanders hard-ass father, or the moronic, degenerate ingrates responsible for these kids, I'd take the chores and the belt.

I honestly laugh at how judgmental people are in our society. A friend of mine has a cousin who is a prescription pill popping, dead beat dad who is 27 years old and still doesn't even have a driver's license.

He thinks Adrian Peterson is a real scum bag.

lmao.

I just don't think Adrian Peterson owes him an apology. I don't think he owes anyone a public apology.

His family is his family, and after the court had its day, that, within his family, is where it can be settled.