PATS Could have had Vince for 3M Cap hit?

If this is right why in the world didn't Belichick make it happen?

Here is break down of deal with Texans according to Reiss:
... details on the structure of defensive tackle Vince Wilfork's two-year, $9 million deal with the Texans. It includes a $3 million signing bonus, $1 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2015 and a $1 million roster bonus (due March 24). He then has a $4 million base salary for 2016, and it will be interesting to see if there's any debate at that time among Texans management to pick it up.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

So cap hit this year is 1.5 + 1 + 1 = 3.5M cap hit and PATs probably could have gotten it down to 3M cap hit.

So you tell me. Why didn't PATS make it happen? Could Vince have wanted more from the PATS than he
was willing to accept from the Texans? Not if the way he has said he feels about the Patriots is true.
Maybe if Vince was on the roster they didn't feel they get their younger players involved as much.
Any ideas?

It's possible they were planning on transitioning to younger players at the position, and Vince didn't want a reduced role. Or they offered even less considering they weren't planning on playing him 70% of the snaps again. There's a lot of possibilities. It's too bad he couldn't stick around for longer, but from his words it doesn't sound like there was a huge disagreement. Seems like this was just the right time to part ways for both parties.

Maybe wanted him to tone down snaps? He didn't want that?

Wilfork played well last year, but Siliga probably outplayed him after returning from injury. My guess is they're comfortable enough with Siliga backed up by Branch at nose tackle. I am too, for what it's worth. If Easley takes a leap - and at a certain point you have to trust in your 1st round rookies - I'm not concerned at all with the defensive line. Draft a mid-round guy with upside like Grady Jarrett and you're set.

JR4 said:

If this is right why in the world didn't Belichick make it happen?

Here is break down of deal with Texans according to Reiss:
... details on the structure of defensive tackle Vince Wilfork's two-year, $9 million deal with the Texans. It includes a $3 million signing bonus, $1 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2015 and a $1 million roster bonus (due March 24). He then has a $4 million base salary for 2016, and it will be interesting to see if there's any debate at that time among Texans management to pick it up.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

So cap hit this year is 1.5 + 1 + 1 = 3.5M cap hit and PATs probably could have gotten it down to 3M cap hit.

So you tell me. Why didn't PATS make it happen? Could Vince have wanted more from the PATS than he
was willing to accept from the Texans? Not if the way he has said he feels about the Patriots is true.
Maybe if Vince was on the roster they didn't feel they get their younger players involved as much.
Any ideas?

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Perhaps because Belichick saw that VW got pushed around a lot by OL last year, probably for the first time in his career. That's not going to get better with time. I love Vince as a person and player (my fantasy team is Vince's Gut) but his time as a stud DT is done, IMO. I prefer Branch at this point in their careers.

I've read the Texan deal as a one year deal for $5M.

The most likely scenario is they had a figure in mind VW said no thanks and they parted ways and that was it.

It was the right time to make the move, good for both parts.

.....because you don't spend $3 mill on a JAG. It is what it is

Brady_to_Moss said:

Maybe wanted him to tone down snaps? He didn't want that?

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That's what I have posted ............

If Siliga was a 1st round draft choice instead of a scrap-heap FA acquisition, his play over the past 2 seasons would have everyone talking about what a stud he is. The kid can flat out play. In addition to being big and strong, his sack numbers are pretty crazy for the position he plays. 5.5 in basically 1 season worth of games. Vince has 16 in his career. Obviously sacks don't tell the whole story, but they do tell a story. He needs to be on the field, and Vince might not want to concede that playing time. I think Bill is far sadder to see Vince the person leave than Vince the player at this point in his career.

JR4 said:

If this is right why in the world didn't Belichick make it happen?

Here is break down of deal with Texans according to Reiss:
... details on the structure of defensive tackle Vince Wilfork's two-year, $9 million deal with the Texans. It includes a $3 million signing bonus, $1 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2015 and a $1 million roster bonus (due March 24). He then has a $4 million base salary for 2016, and it will be interesting to see if there's any debate at that time among Texans management to pick it up.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

So cap hit this year is 1.5 + 1 + 1 = 3.5M cap hit and PATs probably could have gotten it down to 3M cap hit.

So you tell me. Why didn't PATS make it happen? Could Vince have wanted more from the PATS than he
was willing to accept from the Texans? Not if the way he has said he feels about the Patriots is true.
Maybe if Vince was on the roster they didn't feel they get their younger players involved as much.
Any ideas?

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Year Base SalarySigning BonusRoster BonusCap HitDead Cap

2015 $1,000,000 $1,500,000$1,000,000 $3,500,000 $5,000,000
2016$4,000,000 $1,500,000 - $5,500,000 $1,500,000

Don't focus on the cap hit. He's making $5M next season and it appears either that was too much for the Pats or Wilfork found it easier to play elsewhere rather than return at a discount.

I think they will use a top draft pick on DT.

Easley + Siliga and a top draft choice will need a large number of snaps to flourish.

JR4 said:

If this is right why in the world didn't Belichick make it happen?

Here is break down of deal with Texans according to Reiss:
... details on the structure of defensive tackle Vince Wilfork's two-year, $9 million deal with the Texans. It includes a $3 million signing bonus, $1 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2015 and a $1 million roster bonus (due March 24). He then has a $4 million base salary for 2016, and it will be interesting to see if there's any debate at that time among Texans management to pick it up.
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots

So cap hit this year is 1.5 + 1 + 1 = 3.5M cap hit and PATs probably could have gotten it down to 3M cap hit.

So you tell me. Why didn't PATS make it happen? Could Vince have wanted more from the PATS than he
was willing to accept from the Texans? Not if the way he has said he feels about the Patriots is true.
Maybe if Vince was on the roster they didn't feel they get their younger players involved as much.
Any ideas?

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You do realize that just because a player signed a deal with one team, does not mean he would have accepted that same deal with another.

It seems the team has decided two run stuffers on the roster are adequate

And the ones we have already are younger, cheaper & more versatile

I was expecting Vince coming off that injury to come to camp in a little better shape...and possibly a little slimmed down, to me it seemed the opposite, I think that ....and age, affected his play tremendously.

Once again, when I re-watched the playoffs I focused on Vince. He was double teamed a few times but there were many plays where he was completely negated by a single blocker. Vince was not his reputed force by any means. Could be lingering achilles issues but given that he played in September I'd imagine that the situation would be better in Jan/Feb. Why should we expect that a year older player with weight issues would be better in 2015? It was time to move on. Perhaps a year early, but time.

It's the old Bill Walsh theory (which BB adheres to) that it's better to let them go a year early than a year late. I wish VW the best and maybe, since I'm here in Houston, I will be able to see him play.

To be perfectly blunt: They did not want to tie up $5 million in cap space ($3.5 million this year plus $1.5 million dead money next year) for one last desperate year from a player they viewed as done.

Vince had his glorious farewell tour year. Earned every penny of a generous deal. Won a SuperBowl. Couldn't go out on a better note.

He's a two-down run stopper situational player and the Patriots were the worst team in the NFL in short yardage power running situations last year. Don't you want them to upgrade? Don't you think $5 million in cap money over the next two seasons could cover an good run stuffer?