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Jets structured Revis' contract so that it was near impossible for the Pats to match


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yeah...you gotta walk on ice around here....:eek:
 
He walks on water in NY ... as a Patriot he had to get in line for that.

In my opinion the line wasn't that long. He only had to stand behind one person and they probably could have chatted while waiting to receive the boredom. :cool:

DR had a plan to outsmart the NFL lawyers and make bank$. As he often did on the field, he executed the plan to perfection. If it were Cleveland offering 40 million guaranteed and they were bidding against the Patriots DR would be a Brown today. $$$$
 
I don't understand the whole "Pats couldn't match the structure" argument. That only applies to transition tag offer sheets where the original team gets to either match or decline the EXACT terms of the offer. In free agency, the Pats could have countered with any structure they pleased. All they had to do was make an offer Revis would accept. Now, they weren't going to outbid the Jets in any case, but all the "structure" stuff is nonsense.

It matters because this deal is more attractive to Revis or any player than a more fiscally responsible deal that spreads the payouts and guarantees. The Jets had a lot of cap money this year to do a deal like this, but most teams would want to push guaranteed payments into year four or five, but that isn't what Revis would want.
 
I don't know why people can't get it though their heads that the moment Woody Johnson came out a said he was willing to pay Whore24 "anything", he was gone. Sean Gilbert knew he could use anything that the Patriots offered to drive up the price the Jets would pay for Whore24.

All this, "we could have matched" or "Kraft didn't want to part with his gold" is just being uninformed and shooting from the hip.
 
All I care about is that the Pats show SB highlights regularly on the big screen when they host the Jets, including shots of Revis and BB afterwards, and of Revis crying because he is on a SB winning team.
 
Hold out, get released, sign with the Patriots, win a Super Bowl in Tom Brady's final season...
Meanwhile we here on the board will complain about how little tread Revis has left on the tires.
 
It'll be fun watching offenses eat up clock and convert 3d downs at an alarming rate (see 10-13 pats defenses) next year....all because kraft wanted to add to his pot o' gold....kraftys a real leprechaun, just watch him at the st Patrick day bkfst!!!!


Too bad there is no asterisk icon signifying an @sshole post.
 
Too bad there is no asterisk icon signifying an @sshole post.

I feel like a facepalm icon would be a good addition too.
 
Dont let FCB bother you. He is a total loser. He probably hasn't accomplished one thing in his life. He comes here to project his loserness since he can not get any attention from anyone else.
 
If you asked everyone *before revis left* if they would rather have revis or the guys you just named, what do you think most people would pick?
Why not ask a meaningful question instead. For example, "Would you rather have the guys we got or Revis for $40 million fully guaranteed given the Pats cap situation?".
 
I also feel like people are forgetting or ignoring the fact that Revis wants to be in NY. He won his ring and I was a great teammate/player for the Pats but he wants to be in NY, he wants that Jay Z/Carmelo/Jeter type marketing capability and loves the city. I do NOT fault him for that, BUT: the Pats had to do more than match the Jets offer. They had to beat it, they had to outdo the Jets because Revis wanted to be in NY.

I don't know why all this has ever been a surprise. The Jets had money to burn and said flat out 'we want him back'. They'd have spent more, no doubt in my mind, and the Pats would have had to beat whatever that was to bring him back, cap implications be damned. I don't know about you but $18+ million a year, $40+ million guaranteed, that's just too damn much. Resign the kids with some of the savings, draft smart and we'll have another run this year with a better future core of players.
 
I don't understand the whole "Pats couldn't match the structure" argument. That only applies to transition tag offer sheets where the original team gets to either match or decline the EXACT terms of the offer. In free agency, the Pats could have countered with any structure they pleased. All they had to do was make an offer Revis would accept. Now, they weren't going to outbid the Jets in any case, but all the "structure" stuff is nonsense.
Let me help you clear this up so it becomes clear to you. You are correct, the Pats did not have to match the structure of the deal. But the fact was that the ONLY way the Pats could possibly make this deal work would be to "backload" it, so it would be cap friendly enough in the first 2 years so the Pats could keep their salary structure intact.

So let me ask you, if you were Revis, would you rather have a contract that pays you the bulk of your guaranteed money in the first 3 years of the deal, or the LAST 3 years of the deal. THAT's was the kicker the Pats couldn't match because at the time the Jets were $50MM UNDER the cap, while the Pats were struggling just to get under it.

To put it another way, for the Pats to make this deal work, Revis' contract for 2015 would have had to be structured so that his cap # this year would be $10MM or under Being over $50MM UNDER the cap, the Jets had no such compunctions. In his first 3 years Revis will have cap numbers ranging from $16-18MM, (if I understand it correctly) You also have forgotten that had Revis signed with the Pats whatever cap # he wound up with would come with an additional $5MM surcharge because he only cost $7MM last season.

Finally beyond all the structure issues, you are choose to ignore the biggest obstacle the Pats had to overcome. He WANTED to be in NY. Clearly, the Pats would have had to OVERBID the Jets to bring him back and that was simply a fiscal impossibility. Forget about the money, in NY, he's the undisputed face of the franchise. In NE, he's struggling to be #4 or 5. In NY he's the man. In NE, he's just a piece of the puzzle, an important piece, but just a piece nonetheless. Can you imagine his legacy in NY if the Jets manage to win a Superbowl in the next 5 years. He would be HUGE. Christ, he'll be HUGE if he simply leads them to an AFCE division crown

Two other points of lesser note. Regardless of what the Pats bid, the Jets were going to bid higher. Also, per Ivan's point, he is right. This was a clear case of tampering. There was no way the Jets didn't know exactly what the Pats were offering, as well as having a complex 5 year deal all set and ready just a few hours after Revis officially became a FA. Add that to the official warning, the lip slip, and other nefarious allegations, if the Jets are not SEVERELY punished for tampering, I want, no I demand, Bob Kraft's head explode in rage.
 
I don't understand the whole "Pats couldn't match the structure" argument. That only applies to transition tag offer sheets where the original team gets to either match or decline the EXACT terms of the offer. In free agency, the Pats could have countered with any structure they pleased. All they had to do was make an offer Revis would accept. Now, they weren't going to outbid the Jets in any case, but all the "structure" stuff is nonsense.
No. It isn't. There were multiple reports that the contract is structured the way it is because that's what Revis and his agent required. All base salary, fully guarenteed money up front. No signing bonus. The only way the Pats could match that would be to gut their team going forward.
 
It'll be fun watching offenses eat up clock and convert 3d downs at an alarming rate (see 10-13 pats defenses) next year....all because kraft wanted to add to his pot o' gold....kraftys a real leprechaun, just watch him at the st Patrick day bkfst!!!!

This is a scumbag post
 
It matters because this deal is more attractive to Revis or any player than a more fiscally responsible deal that spreads the payouts and guarantees. The Jets had a lot of cap money this year to do a deal like this, but most teams would want to push guaranteed payments into year four or five, but that isn't what Revis would want.

There are more than two possible deals.

For example, the Pats could have matched the Jets offer (3 years, $48 million, $39 guaranteed) with:

2015 salary: $3 mil
2016 salary: $3 mil
2017 salary: $3 mil

Signing bonus: $39 million

Now, the Pats weren't going to make that offer, but they could have and it would have been an offer that was equal in every respect to the Jets offer. There is no rule (as there is with a transition tag offer sheet) where the deals can't be structured differently.
 
There are more than two possible deals.

For example, the Pats could have matched the Jets offer (3 years, $48 million, $39 guaranteed) with:

2015 salary: $3 mil
2016 salary: $3 mil
2017 salary: $3 mil

Signing bonus: $39 million

Now, the Pats weren't going to make that offer, but they could have and it would have been an offer that was equal in every respect to the Jets offer. There is no rule (as there is with a transition tag offer sheet) where the deals can't be structured differently.
And Revis wouldn't have taken it.
 
Why not ask a meaningful question instead. For example, "Would you rather have the guys we got or Revis for $40 million fully guaranteed given the Pats cap situation?".

Rather we ask the question my way or your way, I don't think it would change anybody's mind on keeping revis. Of course, if you ask some people now they will probably sing a different tune since revis is gone already. You know how that works.
 
it would have made more sense to simply keep him for the 25M
 
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