Potential Strategy (Sign the Beast XXIV-b: Adrian Peterson)

Potential strategy



I enjoy going off the deep end now and then, so I thought this would be a good day.

Patriots are:

Relatively flush with cash.

No usual big name signing yet.

Talks of the offense carrying the load. A heavy ball control presence would be required.

Tom can't and shouldn't carry the load himself.

BB must have some appreciation for Marshawn Lynch's ability to dictate to an control defenses after examining Seahawks.

Pats historically pursued guys looking for redemption on the big stage the Pats can provide. Just for a year.

For some reason...Adrian Peterson makes sense to me.

I understand the Vikings said they are keeping him and all that. But for a team trying to develop young players in a stable environment. Getting rid of AP to eliminate a media circus going into next year may make sense.

The Pats have already been
victims of that circus through success and controversey. As SB champs. Revis's as well as others departure is already going to create a media frenzy next season. Adding AP can only add a slight bit to it.

Plus BB likes the idea of bringing in damaged special caliber talent at the right price and seeing what he can do with them.

I had a pretty long thread about this last week with the same premise.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...east-xxiv-why-not-rb-adrian-peterson.1117828/

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

I had a pretty long thread about this last week with the same premise.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...east-xxiv-why-not-rb-adrian-peterson.1117828/

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Great call. I hate being unoriginal so I may ask for a mercy thread delete.

All good...would rather they leave it up for further discussion.

If AP was in any way repentant for what he did than maybe. But from all his interviews its clear that he hasn't learned a damn thing.

No

Not really interested in a $10+ million a year running back. The incremental production over a couple of run-of-the-mill backs just isn't there. And, if you lose him to injury, or child-whuppin', you've lost a big chunk of cap. Not worth it, really.

VectorPrime said:

If AP was in any way repentant for what he did than maybe. But from all his interviews its clear that he hasn't learned a damn thing.

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I don't condone what he did...at all. But I have come to realize that this type of punishment is prevalent in the poor south. Many players came out saying this was par for the course growing up.

It seems horrid and an extreme for some northern white guy like me...and I could easily paint him as a monster...but I question whether that would be totally fair?

That's a question that should be discussed in depth in regards to whether the man should face legal repercussions for what he did. There is definitely an argument to be made that he is a product of his environment and that through proper reeducation and rehabilitation he deserves to be forgiven.

But in the mean time he shouldn't be on a professional football team.

hwc said:

Not really interested in a $10+ million a year running back. The incremental production over a couple of run-of-the-mill backs just isn't there. And, if you lose him to injury, or child-whuppin', you've lost a big chunk of cap. Not worth it, really.

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This line of thought regarding the Pats and how they view RBs is silly. I agree if other options aren't available...the Pats can duct tape together a running game very successfully.

But Peterson is an extremely special talent. There are few running backs that can destroy a defenses will single handedly.

As far as the abuse issues...they are an issue. Reality is with millions at risk...people will change their tune.

VectorPrime said:

That's a question that should be discussed in depth in regards to whether the man should face legal repercussions for what he did. There is definitely an argument to be made that he is a product of his environment and that through proper reeducation and rehabilitation he deserves to be forgiven.

But in the mean time he shouldn't be on a professional football team.

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But isn't his inability to earn a greater detriment to his kids?

I think Peterson ends up on a team with a lot of cap space. Jax or Oakland.

One thing about Belichick not over-extending for a player. Sometimes there is a short-term setback/regroup. That allows him to re-set and pounce.Dillon in 04. Trade Branch in 06. Boom!! Moss and Welker. Didn't overspend on Talib. Even though he wanted to keep him. Enough room to squeeze Revis in for a year. The solution may not be there at the moment. But, we will be in position to acquire a premier player where we need one. If that playet becomes available.

Slagathor said:

Great call. I hate being unoriginal so I may ask for a mercy thread delete.

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It's not that bad.

i dont think we will ever be a team that picks up guys with a history like this. Hernandez has put an end to all that. Plus when ray rice was going through his mess.. Kraft went on tv and said he would never sign a guy like that. Thats how i knew we would never go after hardy and i think ap would also be on that list. Not trying to burst everyones bubble but there is just no way. Blounts problems are sorta self inflicted as were mosses. I think the patriots are out of the people who do bad **** to other people business.

Slagathor said:

This line of thought regarding the Pats and how they view RBs is silly. I agree if other options aren't available...the Pats can duct tape together a running game very successfully.

But Peterson is an extremely special talent. There are few running backs that can destroy a defenses will single handedly.

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Peterson has a career average of 5.0 yards per carry. Blount, who costs a fraction of Peterson's cost, has a career average of 4.6 yards per carry. Figure 15 carries a game in the Pats offense. That's an extra 6 rushing yards per game at a cost of about $10 million in cap room. It's a just a bad value. The Pats are not a ground and pound team. They have the best QB in the history of the NFL.

Won't happen, don't get me wrong I'd love it but I think he stays in minnesota

VectorPrime said:

If AP was in any way repentant for what he did than maybe. But from all his interviews its clear that he hasn't learned a damn thing.

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Agreed, sir. We're dealing with a sociopath on par with the former TE who will not be named. Don't need that sideshow circus again.

Adrian Peterson has a 15.4 million dollar cap hit this year, a 15.0 million dollar cap hit for next year, and a 17.0 million dollar cap hit for 2017.

MIN came out last night and stated that they refuse to simply cut him, so not only would someone need to trade some very high round draft picks, but they'd also need to take on his current contract.

As mentioned by @hwc, I believe it's bad value when you still have a very productive QB, TE, and multiple WR game. We have a lot of money tied up in the passing game, and see high production in that area.
To take it one step further, we also use a running back by committee system, so I'd have a hard time seeing Belichick stray from that for a high priced back.

Honestly, I'd rather develop a dominant Oline than waste a draft pick and cap space on one running back, as great as AP is.

VectorPrime said:

That's a question that should be discussed in depth in regards to whether the man should face legal repercussions for what he did. There is definitely an argument to be made that he is a product of his environment and that through proper reeducation and rehabilitation he deserves to be forgiven.

But in the mean time he shouldn't be on a professional football team.

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The courts have already issued a ruling on the matter and punishment has been levied (community service, court costs and a fine). Why do you think he shouldn't be allowed to earn his livelihood after having satisfied the legal system for his transgressions? If I were him and this happened, I'd sue everything connected to the NFL, and I'll bet he'd win too since he has the money to fund decent lawyers and this is the kind of high profile and big money case that would attract the most august ambulance-chasers. And the NFL would surely back down rather than endure some VERY uncomfortable public questions about their management of the league and the quite curious legal exemptions they get from anti-trust and other provisions that everyone else is subject to.

If the NFL says he can play, then it comes down to a football and finance-related decision on the part of the Pats including whether they think he can be a problem in the locker room (never apparently was before) and whether he's worth the money. I think it would be rather intriguing to have AP lining up behind Brady - they may have to add a "Depends" version of NFL pants to accommodate the defenses lining up against that. Who needs cornerbacks when you can score 40 a game on an off-day?

supafly said:

Adrian Peterson has a 15.4 million dollar cap hit this year, a 15.0 million dollar cap hit for next year, and a 17.0 million dollar cap hit for 2017.

MIN came out last night and stated that they refuse to simply cut him, so not only would someone need to trade some very high round draft picks, but they'd also need to take on his current contract.

As mentioned by @hwc, I believe it's bad value when you still have a very productive QB, TE, and multiple WR game. We have a lot of money tied up in the passing game, and see high production in that area.
To take it one step further, we also use a running back by committee system, so I'd have a hard time seeing Belichick stray from that for a high priced back.

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Those are almost the same numbers as Revis.. how did that work out??? 47.4 Million cap hit for 3 years, that would completely destroy this economic model. I know there is a difference between cap hit and guarantees...

Do not know how much is guaranteed, but that is a lot of cap money expended for Peterson..

No, not, never will this happen...