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Jets structured Revis' contract so that it was near impossible for the Pats to match


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Don't think it was about us matching. Sounds like he honestly would have taken less. What we were offering and what he wanted we do not know for sure.

He was never gonna take less to stay because he already knew the jests would outbid whatever the Pats offer was only thing that was gonna keep Revis in NE was if the Pats picked up the option.
 
Honestly I think it's such a great irony. Revis will go down as one if not the greatest Jet ever and the only ring he'll ever have is that from the Patriots
 
There was no way they weren't going to top the Pats best offer....and they did. If you want to criticize the Pats, criticize them for not getting the Jets to give Revis even more ;)

This is what's been on my mind the whole time. Heck, if they could have somehow found a way to get the Jets to front load it even more, it would have all but guaranteed another Revis holdout in the future. Could have been a beautiful long-con. Still, I think the contract has to hurt the Jets more than it helps.
 
He was never gonna take less to stay because he already knew the jests would outbid whatever the Pats offer was only thing that was gonna keep Revis in NE was if the Pats picked up the option.

...Or, BB figured out Revis was only using them to drive up his value (while the Jets tampered) so BB decided to quit playing.
 
This the information that the rabid mediots have had for a LONG time yet refuse to let the public know. THEY keep harping on the guaranteed dollars and telling us, "if only the Pats had gone a few million higher they Revis would have come back" NOTHING can be further from the truth for 4 reasons.

1. It was the structure of the deal that made it impossible to match. A 16MM cap # in 2015 would have given Revis a $21MM cap number. Think about it. Even AFTER shedding Revis' $20MM, AFTER Browner's $5MM and Vince's $8MM....AND DA's restructure the Pats were STILL only $10-12MM under the cap. There is no question that some significant cuts would have had to happen. Just look at the wholesale slaughter going on in Miami to get Suh on board. It wouldn't have been THAT bad, but some people would have to go and we'd be struggling just to get our draft class signed and stay under the cap.

The Pats could have matched the numbers, but their structure would have had to backload the deal, rather than front load it like the Jets could afford to do.....and even then it wouldn't have been sound cap management, but at least it would have been doable.

2. The Pats, who have drafted well recently have some big bills to pay future core players like Solder, Hightower, Collins, Jones, and Gronk.....and that's just a start. MAYBE, just maybe they might have been able to keep everyone for 2016, but beyond that it would have given the Pats a roster that was fine at the top, but thin at the bottom....and that's NOT what they believe will allow you to win in the NFL.

3. The fact remained that had the Pats matched or come closer to the Jets offer, they simply would have offer MORE. This was more than just getting a good player. This about regaining some credibility in their own market, competition with the Giants for media coverage, and holding on to their season ticket holder base, who was on the verge of revolt. There was no way they weren't going to top the Pats best offer....and they did. If you want to criticize the Pats, criticize them for not getting the Jets to give Revis even more ;)

4. And this is the most important reason. Revis WANTS to be in NY. Its as simple as that. All things being equal, Revis was going back to NY Contrary to the popular wisdom of that time, everyone thought that if the Pats were merely close, he'd come back to win championships. That was NOT the case.

Revis is a HOF player. He's a great teammate and a hard worker. But he's also wired differently. It doesn't make him a bad person, just different. And I don't think it was just about the money. He got his ring and all the creditability to his legacy that brings. He doesn't need another. Winning the superbowl probably hurt the Pats chances of bringing him back.

So instead of being the 4th or 5th most important person in NE (after BB, Kraft, Brady,and Gronk), he could be THE face of the entire franchise. Much bigger than the owner, coach or any player. Not only that, he can take most of the credit for any and all improvements to that franchise. And God forbid, if they, by some miracle, ever win a superbowl during the next 5 years, imagine what his legacy would be then. Compare that to being "an important piece of a puzzle" here in NE.

It was that "possibility" that made it easy for him to go back to NJ. There WAS no comparison to his way of thinking. The evidence was there for all to see, but going back to the Jets seemed just so....so....ludicrous and illogical that we couldn't see the forest for the trees.

The crime here (beyond the Jets tampering), is that the media HAS the full story, yet they still subject us to the same old Borges/Felger/Shaunnessy/etc position, over and over and over and over again

Your first point is key. If the Pats were going to match this deal, they would have been better off just picking up the option on Revis and eat the the extra $4 million and hope that they could get a better long term deal with him in 2016. The cap hit on this deal the first three years, especially the first, that the Pats couldn't match it as the Jets structured it.
 
Who cares about Revis?

It was fun while it lasted but the Jets gave him franchise quarterback money. The Jets will continue to suck. They're probably still the worst team in the Division. So they signed some guys in free agency. Their roster is the same **** roster that it was last year, with the depth of a puddle, and it no longer has Rex Ryan's blitzes to bolster it.

They'll be #4 in the AFC East. They'll watch the Rex Ryan Bills get a Wildcard playoff spot. They'll watch the Patriots in the AFC Championship game. They'll still ****ing suck.

So they hurt our secondary with the Revis signing. Hurray for them and their off season victory.

The regular season, as always, will show them exactly what they won.

Nothing.
 
I think you almost have to live here in NYC and read the tabloids every day to understand the pressure that the media were putting on Johnson to do this deal. The fans were fed up after the Mangini/Tannenbaum/Sanchez/Ryan/Idzik/Smith errors. Woody couldn't sell his PSL's. They needed to do something. Revis was it.

Revis played the "I want to come home to NY" card and took them to the cleaners.

The best part is that if the Jets feel they are finally "close" to contention for an SB in 2017 and or 18, Revis will be able to take them to the cleaners again.
 
I don't understand the whole "Pats couldn't match the structure" argument. That only applies to transition tag offer sheets where the original team gets to either match or decline the EXACT terms of the offer. In free agency, the Pats could have countered with any structure they pleased. All they had to do was make an offer Revis would accept. Now, they weren't going to outbid the Jets in any case, but all the "structure" stuff is nonsense.
 
The Jets and Revis agreed to let the Patriots borrow their star player in his prime for $5 million less than his value to the Jets (before and after coming back) with no draft picks or other compensation to the Jets or Revis. This is possibly one of the biggest Jets clusters of all.

Curious question: Who's another healthy star we wish we could get for a $5 million discount to win a Super Bowl? Randy Moss in 2002? An actual #1 or #2 receiver instead of Caldwell in 2006?

Teams have to no choice but to overpay players, otherwise those players will go to their rival. And which team is the most dangerous rival for NFL teams like Jets, Buffalo, Miami, Colts, Broncos, and Ravens? The Patriots.

The Jets paid way, way more than Belichick would have paid. And that's another nice thing -- not only do team overpay, but they overpay by a lot.
 
Revis was gone no matter what. Other than not having the money to give him a deal close to what the Jets offered him, we have a lot of players with their contract ending next season. Use that money to extend them. Good riddance. Now I hope we can find at least one capable corner in the draft or by trade.
 
Details of deal structure aren't that important except in the case of RFAs of various kinds. If the Patriots had chosen to, they could have made an offer that financially appealing or more so. They just thought it a poor decision to offer Revis enough money to persuade him to stay.

It's obviously deliberate and it was clearly done with Revis approval, if the Patriots had said they would match Johnson simply would have front end loaded more. This is the worst tampering case in NFL history and it's not close.

1) Division Rival

2) Top 3 player on defense in the league and paid like it.

3) First Ballot HOF player

4) Jets owner warned about tampering earlier in that season.

5) Jets owner who denied Revis attempt to return in 2014 free agency reverses himself publicly and declares he wants Revis back in a nationally TV press conference.

6) Jets leak deal information to their beat writer a week before free agency.

7) Jets present an offer so front loaded the Patriots have no ability to match it.


If this isn't a first round pick sanction then there is no such thing and Bob McNair should hold a press conference tomorrow and announce his willingness to give Andrew Luck whatever he wants to sign with the Texans. Why not, it's not like you will lose anything for it?
 
Sorry, I'm not following. How do these breakdowns change our perception of Revis's new contract? We already knew of 16m, 17m, then 6m being fully guaranteed (and tough to match especially with the 5m carryover from last season.). I agree the Pats really weren't in position to match it...but what is it about either tweet that makes anything new?


Front end loading made matching impossible, however it wouldn't have mattered because Revis was going as soon as Johnson publicly reversed himself, whatever the Patriots offered the Jets would have simply bumped higher.
 
This was one of my first posts ... he pretty much got the Patriots placement holder of $20 million doubled ... and the Patriots did not want to pay the $20 million for one year.
 
The Jets had the ultimate trump card.

Revis gets $70 million and he only has to play 16 games a year -

....as opposed to the Patriots where they require him to play 19 games a season

So he gets ALL THAT plus gets an entire EXTRA MONTH of vacation with the Jets!

No way can the Patriots compete with that.
 
It's obviously deliberate and it was clearly done with Revis approval, if the Patriots had said they would match Johnson simply would have front end loaded more.

Your argument is missing a fundamental piece -- why would it matter whether Patriots were willing to match the exact Jets contract?
 
I don't understand the whole "Pats couldn't match the structure" argument. That only applies to transition tag offer sheets where the original team gets to either match or decline the EXACT terms of the offer. In free agency, the Pats could have countered with any structure they pleased. All they had to do was make an offer Revis would accept. Now, they weren't going to outbid the Jets in any case, but all the "structure" stuff is nonsense.

My point exactly.
 
I'm over it.

Revis got his ring, and decided $ outweighed the negative component of being on a team that will win slightly more than 50% of the games played throughout that crazy deal.
 
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If Revis was OK with Steve, he's OK with me...

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He walks on water in NY ... as a Patriot he had to get in line for that.
 
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