Reiss: (4) DB's visit

Draft and cut downs. Lots of good players in cut downs.

Hello tarell brown will have a career year here. You'll see.

hwc said:

The simple fact of the matter is that $16 million a year over the next three years is out of line with the top of the CB market, which had been firmly set at $14 million a year. The Jets average cap number for their new CB is $16 million a year for 2015, 2016, 2017. That's stupid. They were bidding against themselves. Nobody else was going there.

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Revis and his uncle knew what the market looked like and bid his services accordingly.

Its bleak

Deus Irae said:

The league's best CB is getting paid as the league's best CB. One would expect such a player to make more than the players below him, if the deals were signed at the same time. In this case, it's a deal signed a year later, with a cap that had jumped $10 million dollars in that time. Most expected Revis' deal would come in above the $14m, many expected it would be about $16m, and even the guaranteed money was in line with what was being discussed prior to his signing.

Bashing the Revis deal is just sour grapes.

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Reports are that the Pats stopped bidding when Revis wanted more than 30 mil guaranteed.

The Jets had over 50 million in cap space compared to NE trying to squeeze Revis in. Woody Johnson had to bring Revis back at all cost. He said so back in December.NE quit negotiating and Revis still got his 16 Mil per.

I thought Rexy would get into the bidding for Revis but he said the money was too much.

ATippett56 said:

Here is the bottom line:

Tarell Brown sucks and was is the past tense of is.

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This is really a great post, on a few levels. Here is why:

1. Every single player that we sign is going to be based on production that is past tense. Darrelle Revis WAS great last year. Tom Brady WAS great last year. That's an incredibly incoherent and irrelevant thing to bring up, let alone as a stand alone post.

2. I spent at least 30 more seconds on Google than you did quoting stats from a Rotoworld blurb and found this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfls-best-cornerback-you-dont-know-about

Now, this article is from August 2013. It's possible his skills have completely atrophied in that 18 month period, but it's also possible that he got lowballed by San Fran and spent a year in football purgatory, and that he still has the skills to contribute.

3. I'll put my faith in the greatest coach in NFL history to decide if his skills are gone or if he can still play, I'll put that faith in said coach knowing that the player in question will not come close to breaking the bank, and I'll also say that there is no risk involved in working the player out and seeing if he still has the relevant skills to help the best team in football.

4. Rotoworld. Honestly. I mean, goodness.

I'm not here to flame anyone ATippett, I'm just confounded that you'd cite that site instead of doing the slightest modicum of digging. I never said any of the players being worked out are Deion Sanders or Ty Law or Darrelle Revis, but it just appears that you are whining. Whining, while the team that is the best in football is getting back to the business of being a football team.

supafly said:

Or, as the multiple reports suggested, he may have preferred staying here with the chance to win another SB--as long as the money was similar.

Unfortunately for us, we'll never really know, but it doesn't seem as though the money the Jets were offering was similar to what N.England was offering. If it had, it may have been a different story.

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You're right, we'll likely never know. However, if the stipulation to return to the Patriots was "money was similar" then the Patriots never had a tangible chance. My hunch is the Jets were going to significantly outbid us under almost all circumstances.
For the Patriots re-signing Revis was about securing a rock solid anchor of the secondary. For the Jets this was a catharsis, akin to a brand new marketing campaign with the perfect star spokesman. Considering they were coming off of a very unsuccessful season, they watched their biter rival march onto further greatness, they did a fairly big makeover of the front office and team, and the esteem Jets nation holds Revis, signing Revis was about selling the Jets/reestablishing the mental state of Jet's nation. His value to the team was quite a lot more than a rock solid anchor to their secondary.
If that is a correct prognosis, Jet's would have one upped us under most scenarios. Patriots would have had stratospheric to retain him.

Hercules Rockefeller said:

This is really a great post, on a few levels. Here is why:

1. Every single player that we sign is going to be based on production that is past tense. Darrelle Revis WAS great last year. Tom Brady WAS great last year. That's an incredibly incoherent and irrelevant thing to bring up, let alone as a stand alone post.

2. I spent at least 30 more seconds on Google than you did quoting stats from a Rotoworld blurb and found this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfls-best-cornerback-you-dont-know-about

Now, this article is from August 2013. It's possible his skills have completely atrophied in that 18 month period, but it's also possible that he got lowballed by San Fran and spent a year in football purgatory, and that he still has the skills to contribute.

3. I'll put my faith in the greatest coach in NFL history to decide if his skills are gone or if he can still play, I'll put that faith in said coach knowing that the player in question will not come close to breaking the bank, and I'll also say that there is no risk involved in working the player out and seeing if he still has the relevant skills to help the best team in football.

4. Rotoworld. Honestly. I mean, goodness.

I'm not here to flame anyone ATippett, I'm just confounded that you'd cite that site instead of doing the slightest modicum of digging. I never said any of the players being worked out are Deion Sanders or Ty Law or Darrelle Revis, but it just appears that you are whining. Whining, while the team that is the best in football is getting back to the business of being a football team.

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Tarell Brown has no interceptions in the last two seasons while passes defensed have dropped from 14 to 10 to 4 in successive seasons.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tarellbrown/2495565/profile

I am not whining. However, you are grasping at straws.

Deus Irae said:

We don't know the truth for certain, but reports say otherwise.

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Any specifics to support that?

Hercules Rockefeller said:

This is really a great post, on a few levels. Here is why:

1. Every single player that we sign is going to be based on production that is past tense. Darrelle Revis WAS great last year. Tom Brady WAS great last year. That's an incredibly incoherent and irrelevant thing to bring up, let alone as a stand alone post.

2. I spent at least 30 more seconds on Google than you did quoting stats from a Rotoworld blurb and found this:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-the-nfls-best-cornerback-you-dont-know-about

Now, this article is from August 2013. It's possible his skills have completely atrophied in that 18 month period, but it's also possible that he got lowballed by San Fran and spent a year in football purgatory, and that he still has the skills to contribute.

3. I'll put my faith in the greatest coach in NFL history to decide if his skills are gone or if he can still play, I'll put that faith in said coach knowing that the player in question will not come close to breaking the bank, and I'll also say that there is no risk involved in working the player out and seeing if he still has the relevant skills to help the best team in football.

4. Rotoworld. Honestly. I mean, goodness.

I'm not here to flame anyone ATippett, I'm just confounded that you'd cite that site instead of doing the slightest modicum of digging. I never said any of the players being worked out are Deion Sanders or Ty Law or Darrelle Revis, but it just appears that you are whining. Whining, while the team that is the best in football is getting back to the business of being a football team.

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2012 his best year he had two intimidating safeties playing next to him with a elite pass rusher who had 20 sacks on the #3 defense in the NFL the next year they lose a safety and Aldon Smith numbers drop and browns pass def and INT's went down and tackles went up because he was giving up plays,

bottom line is his a below average CB who looked ok with a ton of talent around him and when that talent went away so did his stats. don't get me wrong I am not saying stats are everything for a CB cause the best ones don't have any stats but its a bad sign when pass def go down and tackles go up. if BB brings him in and think he can be something why not but I wont hold my breath on him being any better then what's on the team already

supafly said:

Or, as the multiple reports suggested, he may have preferred staying here with the chance to win another SB--as long as the money was similar.

Unfortunately for us, we'll never really know, but it doesn't seem as though the money the Jets were offering was similar to what N.England was offering. If it had, it may have been a different story.

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We don't know if the offers were similar and we don't know what he would have done if presented with equal offers from both teams.

But we do know that the Jets had more cap room. So to say that we could have had him for a reasonable $ amount just because one thinks he sugned for a reasonable amount is making a very questionable assumption -- that the Jets wouldn't have gone higher.

If Revis really wanted to be a part of a Super Bowl defense, he'd be a Patriot right now. From what I've read the Pats' offer was reasonable, though exceeded by the Jets. He wanted the $, not another ring, imo

I like the idea of picking up a vet CB, I think Brown or Sterling Moore would be fine, I think Moore will cost much more due to his age and would require a multi year deal. Brown I think can be had for a one year deal. Hey we draft 2 corners with promise and at the end of camp he can be cut at the cost of 1/4mill SB.

I have an idea... Let's dump butler, Arrington, dennard and Ryan and sign these other four guys. Screw it start out fresh!

I hope they look at every available cornerback in the league and draft any that are available and worth it. We're not going to pay someone 39 million no matter if he blows his knee or ankle out, we just don't do things that way.

The Jets, without a quarterback, are risking years of (continued) irrelevance on Revis never getting injured and the rest of the league not catching on that one cornerback can't cover two tight ends, multiple receivers and a receiver out of the backfield. He's a great chess piece, but only one team has used him to any real level of success. Every Super Bowl champion in history, besides us (1 out of 4 times) did it without Revis.

We aren't going to be cornerback centric next year, we're going to be Devin McCourty leading a bunch of role players and schemes with a lot of coaching IMO. remember, our SB fourth quarter was owned by a guy nobody knew from a junior college and a fried chicken place.

Our strength should be linebacker. I'm more concerned with DL, but we have some role players there.

I'm actually loving this challenge of filling in holes with more work and scouting and less dollars, because that's what SB champions have to do.

Love out 2 TE offense, think underachieving Vereen can be replaced at low cost and I think they'll strengthen their offense with more quick guys and maybe one who's also a deep threat.

we're young and our impact players will all be a year better too.

If the Super Bowl proved anything it's that you need to have a tall corn or at least as a back up. I don't see that person on the roster. Or a number one corner for that matter.

Tarrell Brown wasn't half bad last year and isn't half bad in general he'd actually be a decent signing.

Hopefully Denmark can go back to his #2 spot (which he was vey good at btw) we'd be set of he can replicate his past

Leave Arrington as the nickel to cover the slot (which is his strength)

And let the rest of the cbs fight for the #1 spot and hopefully one stands out

Ryan can switch in with any and also play dime

Ohh and hope to god no injuries in the secondary

RayClay said:

I hope they look at every available cornerback in the league and draft any that are available and worth it.

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I don't think there's much doubt we'll be taking at least one CB by the end our run of picks ending at 4.2. Mocks have a fairly wide disparity of who will be there at 1.32 but at some point we have to take one.

I hope that Dennard can rebound. Don't know if he was that bad at practice or if his lack of ST cost him in what was a deep position. He didn't look half bad in 2013. I still can't imagine going in with Butler, Dennard and Ryan as our only legit guys (with Arrington inside), though. Something will change, whether it's a trade, a draft pick or maybe they like one of these vets.

BelichickFan said:

I don't think there's much doubt we'll be taking at least one CB by the end our run of picks ending at 4.2. Mocks have a fairly wide disparity of who will be there at 1.32 but at some point we have to take one.

I hope that Dennard can rebound. Don't know if he was that bad at practice or if his lack of ST cost him in what was a deep position. He didn't look half bad in 2013. I still can't imagine going in with Butler, Dennard and Ryan as our only legit guys (with Arrington inside), though. Something will change, whether it's a trade, a draft pick or maybe they like one of these vets.

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I think Dennard's issues were injuries on top of the fact that Browner's return essentially made him a redundancy. But I do agree. If the Pats not going to trade for a Lewis type, there should be a premium on drafting a CB high and getting something done with Connolly in the meantime to stabilize the OL so they don't have to burn a first or second on the position. Marcus Peters is a talented CB but his attitude is a major concern. If the coaching staff isn't worried about that, I would welcome him. He has CB1 talent and is falling due to concerns with his behavior. If those concerns turn the coaching staff off, I would love P.J. Williams. Tall, physical, and fluid but he needs to watch his aggressiveness because he has a little Asante in him and can get burned because of it.

patsinthesnow said:

Brown: below average starting CB
Fletcher: awful starting CB
McClain: nothing special depth CB

I'm a fan of our current CBs more than any of them.

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Honestly I think they're just trying to target a veteran CB for training camp to help the young guys along.

Our current CBs have a lot more talent than anything in FA right now, they're all just really young and inexperienced.

Chung is our elder statesman of the secondary, and he just doesn't strike me as a team captain, veteran leadership type guy