Patriots 2015 Off-Seaon Free Agency Rumors

Deus Irae said:

Are we really going to fall so far as to play the cap stuff again?

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I don't know how that's falling for anything. It's a legitimate question that might speak to their decision not to pay Revis.

JackBauer said:

I don't know how that's falling for anything. It's a legitimate question that might speak to their decision not to pay Revis.

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I don't consider it a legitimate question. I just took about 30 seconds and showed how to add more than $27m to next year's available cap money, and that's on top of the fact that next year's roster is currently sitting at $101,248,228 for 32 players, which would leave $40 million available even without the cap rising and potential cuts.

RIpats88 said:

Browner and wilfork, ok....but I really don't think looking at the circumstances there was any way for us to keep Revis. Even McCourty said it, his heart was in NYC. and when woody made it a priority to bring him back he never was returning.

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Yeah, whether or not his heart was in NY or not, the Jets would have given him an offer that the Pats couldn't match (they could have front loaded $25-30 million into this year if they had to). There was no way the Pats would have been able to compete financially with the Jets. So even if he would take a slight discount to stay, there is no way the Pats could have gotten close.

The only thing the Pats could have done is stayed in the race and drove up the price more. But Revis probably used the Pats anyway saying they were still bidding for his services even after they backed out of the race.

Deus Irae said:

It's not a legitimate question. That's the whole point. I just took about 30 seconds and showed how to add more than $27m to next year's available cap money, and that's on top of the fact that next year's roster is currently sitting at $101,248,228 for 32 players, which would leave $40 million available even without the cap rising and potential cuts.

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OK.

Deus Irae said:

Are we really going to fall so far as to play the cap stuff again? As Belichick himself has noted:



http://www.patriots.com/news/2013/01/21/bill-belichick-press-conference-transcript

The cap will be going up, yet again. As of right now, cutting Mayo next year (instead of reworking/cutting him this year) would free up $8m in cap space, Sheard (if he doesn't work out) would be another $5m, and Amendola more than $4m. So, just 3 cuts would net more than $17m on top of what some figure will be another $10m cap jump.

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It is a Felgerism to take the quote out of context. Yes, there is cap maneuverability that all teams can do, but the cap is not this completely flexible guideline that teams can bend at their will to pay their entire team top dollar.

There are ways to push money into the future. But if you ask the Saints this year, the Cowboys last year, or the Jets three years ago, you eventually have to pay the piper and clear house to pay for past cap manipulations.

And BTW, Hightower, Chandler Jones, and Solder are free agents next year. Both Hightower and Jones can and may very well have their option years picked up which will likely take about $15-16 million of the cap space you just freed up. Solder will also eat up $4 or so million. Yes, it is fun doing all this cap cutting in a vacuum and ignoring the other issues the team has to deal with in terms of contracts.

JackBauer said:

OK.

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Also, when did Chandler Jones and Nate Solder suddenly become "better him than Revis" players?

Deus Irae said:

Also, when did Chandler Jones and Nate Solder suddenly become a "better him than Revis" players?

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So are the Pats going to field a team of Brady, Gronk, Revis, and a bunch of veteran minimum scrubs. No, none of the impending free agents next year are as good as Revis is individually, but when you have to say good bye to a bunch of them for one player they start to be far more costly as a group.

Deus Irae said:

Also, when did Chandler Jones and Nate Solder suddenly become "better him than Revis" players?

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They're not, wasn't the point.

Belichick out!!!!!

JackBauer said:

They're not, wasn't the point.

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Well, when you're talking about cap space, and those are the guys being used as examples of players who might be lost, it's kind of important, IMO.

Deus Irae said:

It's a common sense, and understandable, response to the Patriots letting Revis, Browner and Wilfork walk, when keeping them would pretty much have assured (barring injury) that the Patriots were going to be returning to the Super Bowl.

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Wow is this what the board has come too. Its common sesnse that if we make these moves in march barring injury that we are going to the superbowl. Dont be f@cking ridiculous. Getting to the superbowl is never common sense. It was quite a tough road this year with a team that was a year younger. How bout denver was it common sense if they just spent a ton of money in free agency they would make it back. What about seattle was it common sense that aaron rodgers was going to get hurt and GB was going to have a meltdown of epic proportions. Come on man this board is better than this.

Bledsoehasaring said:

Wow is this what the board has come too. Its common sesnse that if we make these moves in march barring injury that we are going to the superbowl. Dont be f@cking ridiculous. Getting to the superbowl is never common sense. It was quite a tough road this year with a team that was a year younger. How bout denver was it common sense if they just spent a ton of money in free agency they would make it back. What about seattle was it common sense that aaron rodgers was going to get hurt and GB was going to have a meltdown of epic proportions. Come on man this board is better than this.

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The board goes into meltdown when we don't sign a #3 wr ect ect

Tavaris Cadet! We are saved!

Bledsoehasaring said:

Wow is this what the board has come too. Its common sesnse that if we make these moves in march barring injury that we are going to the superbowl. Dont be f@cking ridiculous. Getting to the superbowl is never common sense. It was quite a tough road this year with a team that was a year younger. How bout denver was it common sense if they just spent a ton of money in free agency they would make it back. What about seattle was it common sense that aaron rodgers was going to get hurt and GB was going to have a meltdown of epic proportions. Come on man this board is better than this.

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I'm sorry that your reading comprehension sucks. Perhaps, if you hadn't deliberately ignored where I wrote "pretty much have assured" in your response, you may have gotten a better grasp of my post.

Also, seriously.... using Denver, when the Broncos' biggest problem was an injured Manning?

Reiss: In addition to CB Terence Newman, Patriots also had CBs Robert McClain, Bradley Fletcher and Tarell Brown in for visits on Tuesday.

In addition to CB Terence Newman, Patriots also had CBs Robert McClain, Bradley Fletcher and Tarell Brown in for visits on Tuesday. --@MikeReiss

For all this talk about having a plan, bringing in dredge like Bradley Fletcher is hardly encouraging.

Wrath Mania said:

In addition to CB Terence Newman, Patriots also had CBs Robert McClain, Bradley Fletcher and Tarell Brown in for visits on Tuesday. --@MikeReiss

For all this talk about having a plan, bringing in dredge like Bradley Fletcher is hardly encouraging.

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Tarell Brown is the only one I'd have any interest in.

Wrath Mania said:

In addition to CB Terence Newman, Patriots also had CBs Robert McClain, Bradley Fletcher and Tarell Brown in for visits on Tuesday. --@MikeReiss

For all this talk about having a plan, bringing in dredge like Bradley Fletcher is hardly encouraging.

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Bringing in dreck is generally part of the plan. And a useful one, at that.

Deus Irae said:

If the reports are true, there's absolutely no doubt that they could have kept him.

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You can keep anyone, that doesn't mean you can keep them and build a team appropriately.

Deus Irae said:

Are we really going to fall so far as to play the cap stuff again? As Belichick himself has noted:



http://www.patriots.com/news/2013/01/21/bill-belichick-press-conference-transcript

The cap will be going up, yet again. As of right now, cutting Mayo next year (instead of reworking/cutting him this year) would free up $8m in cap space, Sheard (if he doesn't work out) would be another $5m, and Amendola more than $4m. So, just 3 cuts would net more than $17m on top of what some figure will be another $10m cap jump.

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Now proving the point of my last post.
Lets just cut a bunch of players to get under the cap and say the cap is irrelvant