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I thought the point he made about how bad Suh's contract is was very interesting. After this year, SUH will have a 20 million plus cap number for years! Now considering they still have to re-sign Tannehill that is going to put the Phins in cap hell for a log time. AND because his contract is almost all guaranteed, cutting him will not even help!

29.3 million cap hit the 2nd season.
 
29.3 million cap hit the 2nd season.

It is truly amazing how emotionally unstable these teams have become after a decade of *** whuppin'.
 
It is truly amazing how emotionally unstable these teams have become after a decade of *** whuppin'.

And they just dumped three high proceed free agents they signed a couple of years ago, Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Wallace.
 
The endless whining on 98.5 (felger/mazz as well as the idiots yesterday) pin the whole thing on Kraft not wanting to write the escrow check.

completely lost with the fellowship of the miserable is the FACT that as written, the Pats would have had a 21M cap hit for Revis in 2015.....honestly, the 25M cap hit for one year would have been a better deal.....

either way, the pats would not have the resources to put themselves in position to repeat defensively if they kept revis or revis and browner

the way I look at it, I compare this year to 2011.......yes......the difference between winning an SB and losing one is huge, but if yo ulook at everything, the difference between this year and 2011 in terms of 'distance traveled' is puny......like it or not, the circumstances to end this superbowl were so absurd that you can't pin anything on the fact that Revis was here......the pats were much closer to losing the game than anyone would want to admit.

a healthy gronk and/or a welker completed catch could have changed everything in 2011

Forget what Revis brings to the table.........the only place he sniffed the SB is here......the only place where lots of players get that chance.

so say the pats keep Revis and Browner and then can't stop the run? what freaking purpose does all that money spent serve? which is what the entire thing is all about ...... the Pats serve themselves by always being in a position to be able to do something about issues that come up.
 
Get the F outta here with this nonsense! The Pats should have bent over and given Revis anything he wanted, he's a GAME CHANGER!

This entire past week has been nonsense from the Boston media. Comments from Felger like 'the cap does...not...matter' show how ridiculously uninformed (or outright manipulative) they are when discussing FA moves. Pay Revis $20 mil a season? Sure, let's do it...then let's figure out where the ~$16 mil in savings will come from to make it work. Granted they can stack the contract to backload it, to tie it to health incentives, etc, but end of the day if Revis were playing for the Patriots in 2015 and beyond they'd need to account for $16 mil - $20 mil a season that they otherwise don't have to.

And I love the bit about PS players and the Vollmer contract. They take care of their guys, and they take care of the players who are willing to manipulate some numbers to get big deals but also not cripple the team. McCourty will get a lot of money over a number of seasons--maybe not as much as he'd have gotten elsewhere but he'll also be playing for the SB champs and have a number of additional shots at titles, with all the recognition and accolades that go along with it. Whether you're a competitor or a businessman that makes all kinds of sense. Unless you fashion yourself as a media mogul ala JayZ/Carmelo and need to be NYC like Revis. Whatever, enjoy those 8-8 seasons dude!
 
If there is a silver lining to losing Revis it is that "winning" the first week of March has given jetfans hope. Ha ha ha ha ha ha
 
Much as I wanted Revis there was no way they could have outbid Johnson and a deal with him would have seriously compromised they ability to address their other current needs and future deals with really good young players. Keeping Revis probably would have given them their best shot at repeating but moving on from him gives them their best shot at keeping a strong and deep team for the next few seasons at a minimum. In the end I trust Belichick and think he will keep putting together contenders for years to come.
 
The reality of life in a capped league is that the team who stands their ground and does not overpay ends up being the better team. People focused on individual transactions do not get that. This transactional thinking makes it easy to accept any amount of money Revis would want (or Suh, Andre Johnson, or any number of other overpaid players) Of course signing Revis makes the Patriots better, but the ignores the consequences of signing him. You must think globally and realize that the team is made up of 53 (and more) individual transactions.
In a capped league where you have 143,000,000 of cap, to win you have to fit a lot more than 143,000,000 of value into that cap. (Rookie contracts help a lot if you draft well) Look at the defending SB Champs. Something like 20% of the team became FAs. Had they resigned every player to what the market dictated they would have gone over the cap by at least 30mill.
Fans lament how other teams have loads of cap room to spend and will outbid the Patriots for 'must have players'. Well pretty consistently teams have a lot of cap space because they do not have enough good players already taking up that space.
Amazingly it appears fans would be happier with less talent and more money to overpay of FAs.
Most FAs are overpaid. Overpaid relative to what value they actually give the team. This is why teams that draft well win, and teams that win FA typically lose, and get right back into big FA signings.
 
Dale, Holley and Thornton on WEEI have a better show anyway. They're much more reasoned and balanced, and Jerry Thornton genuinely likes the Patriots, which helps.

As do Arnold and Holley..
 
The reality of life in a capped league is that the team who stands their ground and does not overpay ends up being the better team. (snip)

Mostly, yes. End of the day the team that makes the smartest moves wins; and the smart move is almost always to bypass the early-FA spending spree.

The irony here is that the early-FA signing period is always rife with overspending on big-name players who routinely fail/get hurt and wind up handicapping teams in the long run. The late-FA signings are, a year later, where you get the 'breakouts', the guys no one thought of who turned into success stories. If Revis is great then awesome...he's being paid to be great! If $1 Mil FA Player A is great then wow, that dude provided so much value over his contract! The flipside is a crippling cap hit for a hurt/unproductive player, vs eating $1 mil.

Here's what EVERYONE needs to remember about FA's, especially CHB and Felger: the team that 'wins' the FA sweepstakes spent more than 31 other teams were willing to spend. That's not completely fair, because many teams are set at a position and players have certain desired locations. But end of the day, that team outspent everyone else for the services of a player. That should tell you all you need to know about shelling out huge contracts during FA.
 
It's amazing how willfully ignorant people are being about this.

Yea but their manufactured controversy drives the ratings and social media likes, which is the "real" measure of success...

Just reading that the Saints, despite their moves, are still in salary cap hell..
 
Most FAs are overpaid. Overpaid relative to what value they actually give the team. This is why teams that draft well win, and teams that win FA typically lose, and get right back into big FA signings.

As I wrote in another thread:
2. As a general approach, the successful teams generally seem to be the ones that develop their core players through the draft. The Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Packers and Seahawks all fall into that category. For the Patriots, almost all of the key players - the ones that you want to build around long term and really don't want to let get away - were developed through the draft: Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Jerod Mayo, Devin McCourty, Chandler Jones, Dont'a Hightower, Jamie Collins, Nate Solder and Sebastian Vollmer currently, and guys like Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Logan Mankins and (shudder) Aaron Hernandez in the past. This has the advantage that you don't throw big money at players until they are known quantities with proven ability to perform in your system. In the case of Hernandez, the calculus went disastrously wrong because of off-field issues.

3. Attempting to fill acute needs through the draft is generally in opposition with building a strong talent base through the draft. It leads to reaching to fill specific positions, and passing up more talented options. The more freedom you have to move around in the draft and to not have to fill specific needs, the more you can focus on building a talent base for the long term. The draft also has a sizable inherent failure rate, so diversification and stockpiling of talent makes sense as a general approach. Some successful teams explicitly attempt to factor this uncertainty in their draft approach: BB by trading down, the Ravens by accumulating extra comp picks.

4. In order to not use the draft to address acute needs, free agency comes into play. Upgrading talent through free agency is much riskier than plugging holes, because you generally pay a premium to upgrade talent. There are 2 problems with this: (1) you are to a large extent paying for past performance with another team, under different circumstances; and (2) it is difficult to extrapolate this to future performance in a new situation, where failure can be very costly. So unless you are very certain that you are getting something special or are getting it at a significant discount (e.g., Revis in 2014, the Moss trade in 2007, even though that wasn't strictly a FA situation) it's risky to spend on big name FAs.

5. As a theory, I would argue that the vast majority of players in the NFL are eminently replaceable, and are separated in ability by only a small amount. Only a small percent are the rare difference makers who would likely succeed wherever they play. The majority of those that have been productive in a past situation often were in a good environment to succeed, and may struggle to duplicate that success elsewhere. Many of them get ridiculously overpaid in free agency. The cardinal sin in free agency is to pay excessively for a player that's only marginally better than someone you could get for a fraction of the cost.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...m-building-free-agency-and-the-draft.1117697/

The Pats got Jabaal Sheard at a steep discount compared to other comparable edge players. They let LeGarrette Blount leave in FA when they deemed he had exceeded value, and got him back on the cheap. They are willing to let the biggest and most successful FA signing in their history go back to a divisional rival rather than cripple their overall long term cap structure.

Building a roster and buying a roster are two fundamentally different things.
 
Jason Fitzgerald is a Jets fan. He praises the Patriots salary cap management more so than some of those in the Boston media.
 
It's crystal clear that not keeping Revis (assuming we would have to offer jets money for that) was the right move, I don't even understand how someone contest that.

Ok, exaggerating a little bit our secondary is back to 2011 level more or less, but from that it can only get better, it can't get worse, on the other hand the team as a whole is better than that in almost every aspect and so far Bill is adding quality depth and we still have a good amount of cap space and no glaring needs (apart from CB) going into the draft.

Keeping all our FA + draft picks I thought about a month ago that we would be lead favorites to win the AFC again, due to other contender teams improving, the division becoming way more difficult and the fact that we took a huge hit on our secondary, I still think we are in the AFC conversation, but not so easy as I thought it was going to be. Anyway I see the moves made so far as the moves that Bill could do at the moment to improve our chances. You play with what you have in hands. Still a long way to go, we can't predict what's gonna unfold from September until December, the only thing we know is that the jets suck and is gonna suck hard with Fitzmagic and Geno. I can't wait.
 
Jason Fitzgerald is a Jets fan. He praises the Patriots salary cap management more so than some of those in the Boston media.

That's because most in the Boston media aren't Pats fans :) Felger, Mazz and CHB know what they're doing--in fact I'd say that both Felger and Mazz have gotten more extreme in their trolling since they took over the afternoon drive, they were WAY more neutral early on. But trolling works, it works on the internet and it works in radio. They're talked about on here all the time for a reason.

But it doesn't make them right, that's for damn sure.
 
Mostly, yes. End of the day the team that makes the smartest moves wins; and the smart move is almost always to bypass the early-FA spending spree.

The irony here is that the early-FA signing period is always rife with overspending on big-name players who routinely fail/get hurt and wind up handicapping teams in the long run. The late-FA signings are, a year later, where you get the 'breakouts', the guys no one thought of who turned into success stories. If Revis is great then awesome...he's being paid to be great! If $1 Mil FA Player A is great then wow, that dude provided so much value over his contract! The flipside is a crippling cap hit for a hurt/unproductive player, vs eating $1 mil.

Here's what EVERYONE needs to remember about FA's, especially CHB and Felger: the team that 'wins' the FA sweepstakes spent more than 31 other teams were willing to spend. That's not completely fair, because many teams are set at a position and players have certain desired locations. But end of the day, that team outspent everyone else for the services of a player. That should tell you all you need to know about shelling out huge contracts during FA.

The injury factor, and guarantee factor are another offshoot of this. Part of the Revis issue, IMO, is that while on one hand having him makes your team better, the cost of an injury (or decline) and having him paid guaranteed money to not perform is even more steep. I think the Pats were closer to giving him a similar amount of money, but did not want the risk. As I stated in another thread, if Revis stays healthy and playing at his current level for 3 more years in hindsight BB would have wished he paid to keep him, but yuo have to factor the downside risk in, which made it untenable.
 
Felger's head just exploded.

Yea because according to Felger any 4 year old can understand and navigate the nfl salary cap.

the guy is just begging to get the bag beaten out of him
 
It's amazing how willfully ignorant people are being about this.

Sadly, the "Kraft is cheap" implied meme resonates with a certain percentage of people in this market "for some reason." On the other side, the VAST majority of fans recognize it for the trolling it is, and if I had a guess about this, the Kraft's couldn't care less about it, they know it comes with the territory of being out there in the public eye like they are.
 
Get the F outta here with this nonsense! The Pats should have bent over and given Revis anything he wanted, he's a GAME CHANGER!

This entire past week has been nonsense from the Boston media. Comments from Felger like 'the cap does...not...matter' show how ridiculously uninformed (or outright manipulative) they are when discussing FA moves. Pay Revis $20 mil a season? Sure, let's do it...then let's figure out where the ~$16 mil in savings will come from to make it work. Granted they can stack the contract to backload it, to tie it to health incentives, etc, but end of the day if Revis were playing for the Patriots in 2015 and beyond they'd need to account for $16 mil - $20 mil a season that they otherwise don't have to.
They couldn't even backload a Revis contract. He wanted all the money for the first three years straight up, no roster bonus, nothing to spread the cap hit out at all.
 
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