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On paper the Seahawks are probably better right now given we are without revis, browner, vereen, and wilfork . That might change between now and September.
I'll give it until next November/December. Even then, things usually change in the late part of the year.
 
On paper the Seahawks are probably better right now given we are without revis, browner, vereen, and wilfork . That might change between now and September.

Maxwell is not Revis but he is waaaayyyyy better than Cary.
Unger was their best OL.
Graham is great ... with Brees.
 
On paper the Seahawks are probably better right now given we are without revis, browner, vereen, and wilfork . That might change between now and September.

Seattle also lost their #2 corner, all pro center and starting LG, and have no first rounder. They have definitely taken some hits this off season as well.

I still don't understand how a team built around a power run game thought it important to lose two starting interior lineman for a Number one receiver. Why invest all that money in to Lynch if you arent going to build your resources around him?
 
I wonder how Graham will feel when he realize that he went from a high powered passing offense to a ball control, run first offense. He should be a top TE there, but he is going to see his production drop quite a bit.
 
Maxwell is not Revis but he is waaaayyyyy better than Cary.
Unger was their best OL.
Graham is great ... with Brees.

I think I agree on the first point, but until I see how Williams performs with Thomas/Sherman/Chancellor and how Maxwell performs with the Eagles, I'm going to remain open to the possibility that the gap between them isn't as big as it looks. I definitely agree with the second point. Unger is a huge loss, just look at last year's Seahawks:

Overall rushing yards before contact: 3.1 (#5 in NFL)
Weeks 1-5 with Unger: 3.81 rushing yards before contact (best in NFL)
Weeks 6-9 with Unger out: 2.48 rushing yards before contact (15th in NFL).
Weeks 10-11 with Unger back: 4.55 rushing yards before contact (easily best in NFL)
Weeks 11-17 with Unger out again: 2.44 yards before contact (below league average)

Source here: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2...xlix-tom-brady-marshawn-lynch-rob-gronkowski/

Basically, for the style of offense that they play, Unger was probably their most important offensive lineman. He's also extremely injury prone, so realistically they're losing maybe 8-10 games of production rather than 16. But yeah, his loss is being hugely underrated, mostly because the average fan just doesn't take OL into account.

For the third point, I think Graham will be a fantastic fit in Seattle's passing offense, doing all of the stuff that Luke Willson did last year but way better. In the running game, he'll be a liability, so given their offensive identity I could see the net effect being a bit more questionable and hard to iron out. Wouldn't be surprised if they eventually just line him up as a slot receiver and let teams put a corner on him. Kills some of his quickness advantage, but he's still 6'7 and even he should be able to block corners.

Seattle also lost their #2 corner, all pro center and starting LG, and have no first rounder. They have definitely taken some hits this off season as well.

I still don't understand how a team built around a power run game thought it important to lose two starting interior lineman for a Number one receiver. Why invest all that money in to Lynch if you arent going to build your resources around him?

Carpenter isn't too far above replacement-level. Never lived up to his draft status, to the point that the Jets signing him doesn't bother me. Unless they mess up pretty badly, the Seahawks should have little trouble getting someone about as good as Carpenter, and should have a good chance of finding someone better. However small of a deal losing Carpenter is, though, losing Unger is a huge deal.
 
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Last year's Seahawks:

Overall rushing yards before contact: 3.1 (#5 in NFL)
Weeks 1-5 with Unger: 3.81 rushing yards before contact (best in NFL)
Weeks 6-9 with Unger out: 2.48 rushing yards before contact (15th in NFL).
Weeks 10-11 with Unger back: 4.55 rushing yards before contact (easily best in NFL)
Weeks 11-17 with Unger out again: 2.44 yards before contact (below league average)

Source here: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2...xlix-tom-brady-marshawn-lynch-rob-gronkowski/

Basically, for the style of offense that they play, Unger was probably their most important offensive lineman. He's also extremely injury prone, so realistically they're losing maybe 8-10 games of production rather than 16. But yeah, his loss is being hugely underrated, mostly because the average fan just doesn't take OL into account.

...and they didn't exactly pick up a power run-blocking TE. No one confuses Jimmy Graham with Daniel Graham.

Quite frankly, with this deal I think SEA is worse.
 
...and they didn't exactly pick up a power run-blocking TE. No one confuses Jimmy Graham with Daniel Graham.

Quite frankly, with this deal I think SEA is worse.

I think it's definitely a possibility, though too early to even make an educated guess, IMO. Trading away a first rounder, even #31, definitely makes that a much stronger possibility. I think this deal will require a shift in offensive identity, and when you factor in all the complicating factors from that, I could definitely see getting worse as a likely outcome. I could also see Jimmy Graham putting up Madden stats if it works.
 
I think it's definitely a possibility, though too early to even make an educated guess, IMO. Trading away a first rounder, even #31, definitely makes that a much stronger possibility. I think this deal will require a shift in offensive identity, and when you factor in all the complicating factors from that, I could definitely see getting worse as a likely outcome. I could also see Jimmy Graham putting up Madden stats if it works.

I think it has the potential to really screw this team up. They just signed Lynch to big money and they weaken their running game by losing two solid linemen and pick up a TE who has an allergic reaction to physical contact?

Just a weird move.
 
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Didn't Graham get into a scuffle with a few Seahawks defenders before a playoff game a few years ago?

IIRC, Michael Bennett called him out after that game as being "overrated".
 
Maxwell is not Revis but he is waaaayyyyy better than Cary.
Unger was their best OL.
Graham is great ... with Brees.
Is Maxwell really that good? If Williams plays like he did in Baltimore he is as good.
 
What? Who cares? What else is he going to say? The Hawks are really good. With Graham they're better. He's excited. Let him be excited. WTF?
 
I think Graham will thrive when Russell scrambles out of the pocket. Lots of open space for an easy jump ball for Graham. Problem is he'll have to be split out wide as a receiver the whole time. Play action won't be effective for the Seahawks if Graham is inline.
 
The best team in football over the past two seasons combined was Seattle.
 
I agree with the posters here questioning the offensive personnel transactions of the Seahawks.

Hitherto, the collective moves they have made do not mesh with their established offensive identity/philosophy.

Unless, they are going to slowly going to shift to a more pass-oriented offense, which wouldn't make much sense due to the skill-set of Wilson and the return of Beast Mode.
 
What? Who cares? What else is he going to say? The Hawks are really good. With Graham they're better. He's excited. Let him be excited. WTF?
We don't know if they're better with him when you factor in what was given up for him and that he absolutely cannot block. That's the point.
 
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Someone tell this dumbass that the best team is in New England and we wouldn't want him because we already have the best tight end and he can actually block too.

Also, Gronk isn't a huge ****y.

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