Curran/Jason Cole: Pats had almost no chance with Revis.

BradyManny · Mar 12, 2015

rlcarr said:
And most of the internet tough guys who criticize that kind of player are raging hypocrites because they'd never make the analogous sacrifices and lower pay to be a "true winner" in their own work lives.

I do think many people would and do sacrifice money to work at a company that didn't suck. And whether it makes me an internet tough guy or not, if he chose New York over New England solely over a few million in a vacuum, then I will question his judgement. Yet, it just seems like the guy wanted to be in NYC. I can respect that.

However, arbitrarily valuing money that - beyond a point which Revis has passed - has diminishing utility is silly. Not only do you have diminishing utility, you have the fact that cost of living in New York City is higher. It sounds like either he just wanted to be there, or he has people influencing him who don't care.

tedy hagler · Mar 12, 2015

It meant a lot to Revis to average more $ per game -- you know the Jets won't play more than 16 games next year. I still like him what he did here.

mgcolby · Mar 12, 2015

primetime said:
Good for Revis, even if it's bad for the Patriots. No ill will here. If Gilbert's that much of a shark, I hope he becomes the new director of the PA.

Interesting point. But the wrong perspective. Imagine Marx becoming Reagan, would buy a ticket to ringside in that room of history.

mgcolby · Mar 12, 2015

patfanken said:
I was listening to Felger and the mentally deficient today and they STILL don't get it. They were still complaining that if the Pats had upped their offer just a few more million they could have kept Revis. UNBELIEVEABLE! They also summarily dismissed the idea that all things being equal, Revis was going back to the Jets. And once again, they didn't have the sense to understand that had the Pats matched or come close to the Jets front loading of the contract, it would have destroyed their salary structure for years.

Even when faced with the fact that matching the Jets offer would create a $21MM cap hit in the first year, Felger's attitude was essentially, "so what" It didn't take long before I had to turn to NPR for relief.

If only my grandmother had met you Ken......!

IndianPat · Mar 12, 2015

ViperGTS said:
Yes. Wilfork was not worth 8 mil cap hit

You have no problem telling a player that he not worth the money he is being paid. However, you have problem with the person telling the players to demand to be paid what they are worth.

1960Pats · Mar 12, 2015

50-yard-line said:
Just thinking out loud, but suppose the Pats, if they knew any of this (and I expect they did), went to Woody and said, "We're going to pick up his option and trade him to you. What you got?"

The Jets wouldn't do that because they knew the fix was in with Goody.

mgcolby · Mar 12, 2015

rlcarr said:
Oh please.

It's a job. Just like any other job there are going to be some people (like, it appears, Brady) who are "all in". And there are others (probably outnumber the all-in'ers) who are just doing a job. They'll be professional, they'll work hard, but it's a job and they're there to be paid.

And most of the internet tough guys who criticize that kind of player are raging hypocrites because they'd never make the analogous sacrifices and lower pay to be a "true winner" in their own work lives.

I agree with your post. But none or most of us on here anyway, do not have jobs that bring the same satisfaction and prestige that comes with winning a super bowl.

Jangles · Mar 12, 2015

rlcarr said:
And most of the internet tough guys who criticize that kind of player are raging hypocrites because they'd never make the analogous sacrifices and lower pay to be a "true winner" in their own work lives.

Literally the dumbest argument of all time

Yeah I would leave my company to take a raise. Because a raise for me means maybe my kids don't have to take on a mountain of debt to go to college, or I can afford it a little more easily if my water heater breaks. A raise for me doesn't mean I no longer have to be the laughingstock of the tarmac at the private jet center when I step off my mid 90's Gulfstream G-IV because now I'm rolling in a new G650.

For the mid to lower tier guys, yeah it makes sense to chase the dollars. For the guys like Revis, or Brady, or Manning, etc. the differences, the DIFFERENCES in the contracts they're offered are worth more than most people would dream of making in a lifetime. Now I do alright by my standards, I'm happy and want for nothing. But it would take me over 100 years to earn the several million more the Jets guaranteed.

Also, just so we're clear, I don't care much when guys chase the money. I don't like it I guess, but I respect the decision if that's their thing. But please, let's not act like these guys face normal circumstances, or have normal decision making criteria.

1960Pats · Mar 12, 2015

hambone1818 said:
It's funny, I've been out of the loop all day, turned on F&M around 6 driving home and it was all Revis, more talk about how they're still shocked the Pats didn't roll out the red carpet for Revis, didn't give him what he wanted because he's a difference maker.

Then this...and it validates everything I've said about those jackwagons and everyone like them: this is a business, it's about fitting 53 players onto a cohesive roster and making that roster work from 1 to 53, fielding the best possible team given the cap parameters. And BB has done that more successfully than arguably any GM in history. Yet detractors will ignore the very important aspect of making the cap work and factoring in player desires and just say 'sign the man, he's good!' Not only is it lazy, it's disingenuous, because it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that cowing to Revis would mean no money for the rest of the roster. It's that simple.

Revis got his wish, good for him...I can't say I agree with his mindset but whatever, he helped us win #4. We just saw with Amendola, and have been seeing with Brady for years, that there are players out there who still value winning. I'll take those guys, and the mind of BB, any day of the week over Revis and a cobbled together roster.

The Pats under Belichick have methodically put together a deep, talented group of players that fit their (best in the NFL) winning system, and they've done it as they got younger. It's been an amazing thing to watch.

chasa · Mar 12, 2015

this brings up a lot of questions

1.) Did Revis have problems with rex? Revis said he never wanted to leave, but the GM that was there is gone and so revis could have gone back last year, but chose not too, and now the year that rex leaves Revis decides to head back when he could have gone to the bills. Either he really likes being a jet(I know insane) or maybe he just really likes new york and not so much Rex Ryan.

2.)If woody johnson never says he wanted revis back, does it change anything? Say revis is under the impression that the jets don't want him after last off season when the jets could have had revis but didn't even try. Once woody says "Holy **** we could have had him for 12, why didn't we sign him, ill back up the brinks truck for him" that pretty much ended revis patriots career.

Gronkowski123 · Mar 12, 2015

the funniest thing was the idea that revis would take a discount to stay with us.
i bet revis will sell his SB ring to the highest bidder!

Tunescribe · Mar 12, 2015

patfanken said:
I was listening to Felger and the mentally deficient today and they STILL don't get it. They were still complaining that if the Pats had upped their offer just a few more million they could have kept Revis. UNBELIEVEABLE! They also summarily dismissed the idea that all things being equal, Revis was going back to the Jets. And once again, they didn't have the sense to understand that had the Pats matched or come close to the Jets front loading of the contract, it would have destroyed their salary structure for years.

Even when faced with the fact that matching the Jets offer would create a $21MM cap hit in the first year, Felger's attitude was essentially, "so what" It didn't take long before I had to turn to NPR for relief.

After listening to those two jerks briefly today I concluded they were intentionally ignoring the truth just to stir the pot. The sad thing is some of the listeners believe them and called in to blast BB/Kraft for being cheap, etc., etc. I hate hearing ignorance encouraged.

Va_Pats_Fan · Mar 12, 2015

BelichickFan said:
And a late 3rd round comp pick in 2016.

I thought since we cut him, we wouldn't get a pick??

Delicate Genius · Mar 12, 2015

chasa said:
1.) Did Revis have problems with rex? Revis said he never wanted to leave, but the GM that was there is gone and so revis could have gone back last year, but chose not too, and now the year that rex leaves Revis decides to head back when he could have gone to the bills. Either he really likes being a jet(I know insane) or maybe he just really likes new york and not so much Rex Ryan.

Revis said last season they reached out to the Jets but never heard back. Rex wanted him to return too. It was Idzik and Johnson who didn't.

mgcolby · Mar 12, 2015

ViperGTS said:
You truly can't compare sports salaries to any other business or job. The only comparable would be taking less salary to hire on another employee. Which makes no sense. There's no championship. The reason most normal people work is for the money, I assume. I would also assume most athletes play for a championship. Apples and oranges. Demanding a restrictive contract with high cap numbers must really endear you to teammates.

I love this argument. Yes, most work for the money and there is no championship. But most don't have one chance at the age of 25-28 to set up future generations for life with one stroke of the pen. I am assuming at that moment winning isn't at the top of the list. The flip side is do you want to put in all that effort and play on a **** team in a true competitive environment earning 5-10 percent more. Or make 5-10 percent less to win those games. Its each to their own IMO.

I guess the best analogy I can come up with would be: would you take $85,000 a year "guaranteed" for 4 years from a company that is constantly losing revenue and has no reason to think they will be in business in 4 years without overspending for you, you are they're savior? Or Take $82,500 guaranteed for 4 years from a company that has been in business for 15-20 years with a constant growth, and you are a key addition to future growth?

supafly · Mar 12, 2015

primetime said:
Good for Revis, even if it's bad for the Patriots. No ill will here. If Gilbert's that much of a shark, I hope he becomes the new director of the PA.

While Gilbert does seem like a "shark," his first order of business if/when elected is stopping football through another strike, so I'm not personally rooting for that to happen.

PatriotReign · Mar 12, 2015

It's too bad our cap situation wasn't good enough to force Revis to stay by picking up the option. Then maybe next year the Jets wouldn't have had the cap space to make a competitive offer.

ViperGTS · Mar 12, 2015

IndianPat said:
You have no problem telling a player that he not worth the money he is being paid. However, you have problem with the person telling the players to demand to be paid what they are worth.

What did Knighton just get paid? And how much will Wilforks Cap hit be if he signed a 2/10 deal? Bet far below 8 mil. Come at me with real info. If someone is breathing in my ear to take more money to go to a team that while improving will not win the Super Bowl vs staying and being an integral part of one that may, I'd tell you to go find a new client. Touching the championship trophy is the ultimate goal. If it isn't I sure as hell wouldn't want that person playing beside me.

Thanks
-BB (Not really of course)

raduray · Mar 12, 2015

Va_Pats_Fan said:
I thought since we cut him, we wouldn't get a pick??

We didn't cut him. We didn't pick up his option. Technical difference that gets us the comp pick.

raduray · Mar 12, 2015

blackglass3 said:
The one surprising part of all of this is that Revis and his people actually called Belichick to let him know what's going on. He must have known Belichick had no interest in doing a bidding war, yes?

Professional curtesy. And as the article says, Regis is a consummate pro.

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