Reiss thinking Reggie Bush will be a Patriot

I'll like it or dislike based on cost, exposure, Bush's commitment to the offense.

Assuming the money is fair, we aren't 'locked without recourse' into multi years to him, and Bush is going to buy into the Patriot approach to professionalism/winning, I like this IF it comes to pass (a big if).

Bush as the third down back, Gronk as the TE, 3 definitely productive WRs (prayer: Dobson makes that big stride). Add in another IF (the rumor of the Philly guard coming here) and the potential of the passing offense becomes extremely high.

TheBostonStraggler said:

I'll like it or dislike based on cost, exposure, Bush's commitment to the offense.

Assuming the money is fair, we aren't 'locked without recourse' into multi years to him, and Bush is going to buy into the Patriot approach to professionalism/winning, I like this IF it comes to pass (a big if).

Bush as the third down back, Gronk as the TE, 3 definitely productive WRs (prayer: Dobson makes that big stride). Add in another IF (the rumor of the Philly guard coming here) and the potential of the passing offense becomes extremely high.

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agreed, but who is going to be the first-second down back? I would imagine gurley and gordon are going to be gone by the pats turn to pick.

TommyBrady12 said:

agreed, but who is going to be the first-second down back? I would imagine gurley and gordon are going to be gone by the pats turn to pick.

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Why not Blount? Gray should be solid too.

TBR said:

Why not Blount? Gray should be solid too.

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Gray? Gray may not even make the team.

TommyBrady12 said:

agreed, but who is going to be the first-second down back? I would imagine gurley and gordon are going to be gone by the pats turn to pick.

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Agreed. The 1st-2nd down ground game center point remains a ??. This is why I carefully, like a politician, said "passing offense".
I suspect we'll see Blount, ??, maybe Gray as that 1-2 back. I doubt (though anything is possible) a rookie will fill that role.

Bush's career is just about done....not much tread left on the tires and he can't stay healthy due to the abuse he has taken...,I don't see the point in bringing him in....should have just kept vereen


QUOTE="Username, post: 4155490, member: 29276"]I don't really rate Bush.

I think a healthy Ridley, Blount, White, Gray, Bolden and Gaffney are more than good enough. If Gurley drops to 32 I'd take him, but otherwise I'm ok with our RB's[/QUOTE]

Deus Irae said:

Gray? Gray may not even make the team.

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We'll have to see how he does in pre-season. I don't know why BB seemingly doesn't like him.

Looked great against the Colts and gave us momentum after some nice runs vs Miami in the 2nd half (in the 2nd matchup in NE)

Gray, Blount, Bolden, White... that's a damn good RB unit, with guys that can do a lot of things, and some pretty impressive depth. Not sure we even need to sign a guy like Bush, but no doubt the coaching staff will have a better perspective.

Myself, I've got high hopes for White. And what I like best: he's playing on a rookie contract. That's what made Ridley and Vereen so important to the roster-- they were productive and they were cheap.

If we can turn White into a Vereen-like contributor, there's nothing more we need in the backfield. I'd rather spend the cap space on the interior OL and add a guy with length at WR.

rookBoston said:

Gray, Blount, Bolden, White... that's a damn good RB unit, with guys that can do a lot of things, and some pretty impressive depth. Not sure we even need to sign a guy like Bush, but no doubt the coaching staff will have a better perspective.

Myself, I've got high hopes for White. And what I like best: he's playing on a rookie contract. That's what made Ridley and Vereen so important to the roster-- they were productive and they were cheap.

If we can turn White into a Vereen-like contributor, there's nothing more we need in the backfield. I'd rather spend the cap space on the interior OL and add a guy with length at WR.

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To be perfectly honest, it looks rather pedestrian to me with a lack of game changing playmakers.

I'd be over the moon with any one of Gurley, Gordon, Abdullah or Coleman.

Can't help feeling that Ridley may still come back as well.

rookBoston said:

Gray, Blount, Bolden, White... that's a damn good RB unit, with guys that can do a lot of things, and some pretty impressive depth. Not sure we even need to sign a guy like Bush, but no doubt the coaching staff will have a better perspective.

Myself, I've got high hopes for White. And what I like best: he's playing on a rookie contract. That's what made Ridley and Vereen so important to the roster-- they were productive and they were cheap.

If we can turn White into a Vereen-like contributor, there's nothing more we need in the backfield. I'd rather spend the cap space on the interior OL and add a guy with length at WR.

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I notice you didn't mention Tyler Gaffney....why? He's bigger ,faster (4.48 forty) and stronger than White and he's only 23. I've seen White extensively in camp and preseason and we all saw how little he offered the Pats this past season. He's got this Pats "cult figure" thing going on like Josh Boyce but if Gaffney is 100% my opinion is White is on the bubble.

Ya people sleeping on Gaffney. It wouldn't surprise me if he sees a good amount of carries in 2015.

Absolutely agree if he is 100% White and even Gray are on the bubble, especially if Pats end up with a veteran receiving back.

rookBoston said:

Gray, Blount, Bolden, White... that's a damn good RB unit, with guys that can do a lot of things, and some pretty impressive depth...

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Pierre Thomas have anything left in the tank?

http://www.nfl.com/player/pierrethomas/2507141/profile

327 career receptions

The problem is that White is completely unproven. And I feel you are overrating the other guys when you consider how much actual starting experience they have. The only guy out of that group I have moderate trust in is Blount. Reggie Bush on reasonable money? I like that move because he's a proven 3rd down back, and we don't need him long-term, we just need him to be good 1-2 seasons until we train up a replacement.

Don't forget that when we let Woodhead go, Vereen had shown signs that he could be the 3rd down guy by destroying the Texans nearly single-handedly in the playoffs. OTH White has done NOTHING to make me think he could be ready yet.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-vs-texans-sets-stage-for-huge-2013-campaign

rookBoston said:

Gray, Blount, Bolden, White... that's a damn good RB unit, with guys that can do a lot of things, and some pretty impressive depth. Not sure we even need to sign a guy like Bush, but no doubt the coaching staff will have a better perspective.

Myself, I've got high hopes for White. And what I like best: he's playing on a rookie contract. That's what made Ridley and Vereen so important to the roster-- they were productive and they were cheap.

If we can turn White into a Vereen-like contributor, there's nothing more we need in the backfield. I'd rather spend the cap space on the interior OL and add a guy with length at WR.

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VJCPatriot said:

The problem is that White is completely unproven. And I feel you are overrating the other guys when you consider how much actual starting experience they have. The only guy out of that group I have moderate trust in is Blount. Reggie Bush on reasonable money? I like that move because he's a proven 3rd down back, and we don't need him long-term, we just need him to be good 1-2 seasons until we train up a replacement.

Don't forget that when we let Woodhead go, Vereen had shown signs that he could be the 3rd down guy by destroying the Texans nearly single-handedly in the playoffs. OTH White has done NOTHING to make me think he could be ready yet.

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Maybe White is "completely unproven" to us, as fans. But the coaching staff has seen him for an off-season and a full year. If they're not convinced, then I grant we're likely to sign Bush or Spiller to fill the spot. But we shouldn't take the fact that White was buried behind Vereen as evidence that he's a bust.

IMO, fans are too inclined to believe that a prospect is unable to contribute when they're buried on the depth chart. The version of Edelman we saw in 2012 and 2013 didn't seem like a very promising solution at WR. The uproar on this site when anyone suggested that Edelman step into Welker's role was historic, and not unlike what we're seeing this offseason with Revis and Vereen leaving. When given his chance, Edelman stepped up big time and changed people's opinions.

Hightower is another guy that a lot of fans on this site gave up on too soon. It wasn't until Spikes was gone and Mayo was injured that the consensus started to shift in his favor. And now he looks like a long term cornerstone for the D.

If Vereen had torn an ACL, we would have seen a lot more of White this year, and actually had a basis for evaluation. The fact that Vereen was healthy and productive just means that we have no idea about White, which is different from knowing that White's upside is limited.

The fact that BB didn't try harder to keep Vereen around is a clue, for me. If he didn't think he had options on his depth chart, or in free agency, or in the draft, Vereen would have been worth a little more effort.

Final point: no reason to assume that Bush or Spiller or any other vet would transition well into the Pats scheme. There have been expensive veterans that were successful elsewhere that washed out in Foxboro. Maybe trusting in White is a risk-- fair enough. Well, trusting in Bush is a risk too, and a more expensive risk at that.

JMC00 said:

Ya people sleeping on Gaffney. It wouldn't surprise me if he sees a good amount of carries in 2015.

Absolutely agree if he is 100% White and even Gray are on the bubble, especially if Pats end up with a veteran receiving back.

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Thank you guys.
Im really high on Gaffney. I was really high on him going into last years draft, and remain high on him till this day. He's very underrated as a pass catcher, and a proven workhorse back with size, speed, and strength. His injury wasn't that bad. Im looking for him to bounce back in a big way! He's very smart, hard working, and most important, extremely competitive. I won't be surprised when he takes a lot of peoples jobs.

Do not see the Pats using a #1 or #2 on a RB... maybe with a 3rd round compensatory pick.. other needs, Bush might be an option, but not sure he would fit into this team.

What was Gaffney's injury?

patriot1136 said:

What was Gaffney's injury?

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if i recall correctly, it was a grade 2 meniscus tear. Don't quote me, but I don't think it even required surgery. Usually only grade 3 tears do, depending on where the tear was on the tibia. Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure thats what i remember reading. It was a really long time ago.

Update, never mind, it looks like he had the surgery, and thats why they waived him, in hopes of letting him slip to IR.

They screwed that one up big time.

Lets not forget, he's 6'1 227 with a 4.4 40. Thats very close numbers to Gurley (no I'm not comparing the two). Hard nose runner who will get you solid yards and always move forward. He also has some soft hands. He's a little tight hipped, which might prevent him from becoming a true threat as a receiving back. Still, I think he has the most potential out of any of the backs currently on our roster.

A little highlight tape of him in college if you've never seen it.



His combine video does a decent job at showing his receiving potential