Curran/Jason Cole: Pats had almost no chance with Revis.

SVN said:

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-revis-jets-was-over-it-started

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It's funny, I've been out of the loop all day, turned on F&M around 6 driving home and it was all Revis, more talk about how they're still shocked the Pats didn't roll out the red carpet for Revis, didn't give him what he wanted because he's a difference maker.

Then this...and it validates everything I've said about those jackwagons and everyone like them: this is a business, it's about fitting 53 players onto a cohesive roster and making that roster work from 1 to 53, fielding the best possible team given the cap parameters. And BB has done that more successfully than arguably any GM in history. Yet detractors will ignore the very important aspect of making the cap work and factoring in player desires and just say 'sign the man, he's good!' Not only is it lazy, it's disingenuous, because it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that cowing to Revis would mean no money for the rest of the roster. It's that simple.

Revis got his wish, good for him...I can't say I agree with his mindset but whatever, he helped us win #4. We just saw with Amendola, and have been seeing with Brady for years, that there are players out there who still value winning. I'll take those guys, and the mind of BB, any day of the week over Revis and a cobbled together roster.

hypotherion said:

That's an easy stance to take when we're not the ones putting our bodies on the line.

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It's not like they are making 30k a year struggling to pay bills. Brady gets it. McCourty gets it. Hell Amendola apparently gets it. I'm not asking them to be paupers or play for chump change. Hell no. However if taking 5 million less from 40 million means I can possibly win another championship well then I will. The whole "maximize" value would hold true if they were being paid sub 100k or whatnot. It's the cancerous thugs like Gilbert that have poisoned most of those guys' minds. I know it's no my body, but I'm sure after 9 months of blood, sweat and pain if rather be playing in the playoffs or the Super Bowl instead of sitting on my couch. Any true winner would.

Well i have to admit that revis wasn't lying when he said that NY is where he really wanted to be. When i first read that he said that my thought was 'thats what they all say, this is where i really wanted to be all along.

Oh please.

It's a job. Just like any other job there are going to be some people (like, it appears, Brady) who are "all in". And there are others (probably outnumber the all-in'ers) who are just doing a job. They'll be professional, they'll work hard, but it's a job and they're there to be paid.

And most of the internet tough guys who criticize that kind of player are raging hypocrites because they'd never make the analogous sacrifices and lower pay to be a "true winner" in their own work lives.

ViperGTS said:

It's not like they are making 30k a year struggling to pay bills. Brady gets it. McCourty gets it. Hell Amendola apparently gets it. I'm not asking them to be paupers or play for chump change. Hell no. However if taking 5 million less from 40 million means I can possibly win another championship well then I will. The whole "maximize" value would hold true if they were being paid sub 100k or whatnot. It's the cancerous thugs like Gilbert that have poisoned most of those guys' minds. I know it's no my body, but I'm sure after 9 months of blood, sweat and pain if rather be playing in the playoffs or the Super Bowl instead of sitting on my couch. Any true winner would.

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Do you think the Pats should have declined wilforks option, do you think they should have asked amedola to take a pay cut?

makoute said:

Do you think the Pats should have declined wilforks option, do you think they should have asked amedola to take a pay cut?

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Yes. Wilfork was not worth 8 mil cap hit. He knew it, and they both knew it last year when they extended him. Which is why you see 2/10 reports out there. 2/8 is probably fair. Amendolas prodution necessitated a pay cut.

He had his mind made up long ago. He was going back no matter what. Only way he stays is if BB gives him 20mil and we all know that was never gonna happen. His agent, Woody & NY Media (M. Mehta) knew this deal was getting done like two weeks ago. Revis is so happy he just recruited Cromartie to sign like old times and he did sign......and another added storyline to Border War!

The one surprising part of all of this is that Revis and his people actually called Belichick to let him know what's going on. He must have known Belichick had no interest in doing a bidding war, yes?

rlcarr said:

Oh please.

It's a job. Just like any other job there are going to be some people (like, it appears, Brady) who are "all in". And there are others (probably outnumber the all-in'ers) who are just doing a job. They'll be professional, they'll work hard, but it's a job and they're there to be paid.

And most of the internet tough guys who criticize that kind of player are raging hypocrites because they'd never make the analogous sacrifices and lower pay to be a "true winner" in their own work lives.

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If it meant not leaving a place where I can get to the pinnacle of the sport? Once? Multiple times? Hell no. It's like Brady said. It's honor. There are multi-millionaires everywhere in the world. In every sport. Champions not so much. So why did McCourty as being reported take a lesser deal? Is he an internet "tough" guy?

ViperGTS said:

So why did McCourty as being reported take a lesser deal? Is he an internet "tough" guy?

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No, because he's actually out there doing it.

As opposed to typing on a keyboard *****ing about players who aren't tough enough or whatever to take less pay to be "true winners".

ViperGTS said:

If it meant not leaving a place where I can get to the pinnacle of the sport? Once? Multiple times? Hell no.

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So are you quitting your job and taking a harder job for less pay at a company that is poised to get to the "pinnacle" of whatever area you work in?

DaBronxPats14 said:

He had his mind made up long ago. He was going back no matter what. Only way he stays is if BB gives him 20mil and we all know that was never gonna happen. His agent, Woody & NY Media (M. Mehta) knew this deal was getting done like two weeks ago. Revis is so happy he just recruited Cromartie to sign like old times and he did sign......and another added storyline to Border War!

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I think Cromartie rejoining the Jets was a business decision. Saved him from buying his 12 kids and 8 baby mommas new jerseys, they'll be sporting the Reebok from his last stint there.

rlcarr said:

No, because he's actually out there doing it.

As opposed to typing on a keyboard *****ing about players who aren't tough enough or whatever to take less pay to be "true winners".

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Revis plays a position that would take less of a beating than almost every other position on the offense vs. defense field. Let's not pretend CBs are belted like players in the trenches.

I have the upmost respect for everyone who puts their body on the line but lets not use the CB position to strengthen the toughness he's out there doing it argument.

rlcarr said:

No, because he's actually out there doing it.

As opposed to typing on a keyboard *****ing about players who aren't tough enough or whatever to take less pay to be "true winners".

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You truly can't compare sports salaries to any other business or job. The only comparable would be taking less salary to hire on another employee. Which makes no sense. There's no championship. The reason most normal people work is for the money, I assume. I would also assume most athletes play for a championship. Apples and oranges. Demanding a restrictive contract with high cap numbers must really endear you to teammates.

Jlaff said:

I think Cromartie rejoining the Jets was a business decision. Saved him from buying his 12 kids and 8 baby mommas new jerseys, they'll be sporting the Reebok from his last stint there.

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Just don't ask him to name them it's hard enough counting his millions.

patfanken said:

I was listening to Felger and the mentally deficient today and they STILL don't get it. They were still complaining that if the Pats had upped their offer just a few more million they could have kept Revis. UNBELIEVEABLE! They also summarily dismissed the idea that all things being equal, Revis was going back to the Jets. And once again, they didn't have the sense to understand that had the Pats matched or come close to the Jets front loading of the contract, it would have destroyed their salary structure for years.

Even when faced with the fact that matching the Jets offer would create a $21MM cap hit in the first year, Felger's attitude was essentially, "so what" It didn't take long before I had to turn to NPR for relief.

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they would have complained they gave him way too much and should have walked away.

patfanken said:

I was listening to Felger and the mentally deficient today and they STILL don't get it. They were still complaining that if the Pats had upped their offer just a few more million they could have kept Revis. UNBELIEVEABLE! They also summarily dismissed the idea that all things being equal, Revis was going back to the Jets. And once again, they didn't have the sense to understand that had the Pats matched or come close to the Jets front loading of the contract, it would have destroyed their salary structure for years.

Even when faced with the fact that matching the Jets offer would create a $21MM cap hit in the first year, Felger's attitude was essentially, "so what" It didn't take long before I had to turn to NPR for relief.

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I was in that camp a few days ago too, but after reading into all of the drama around it, it was pretty evident that BB and the Pats didn't have much of a chance to keep Revis unless they wanted to pay him $20 million. As much as I loved having Revis here, even he isn't worth that much.

patfanken said:

Unfortunately here's the deal that most players in their greed, aren't going to get, if they elect Gilbert. They don't understand that for every dollar that someone like Revis gets, there are that many fewer dollars for everyone else. It's the first rule of capology.

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First, if Gilbert becomes NFLPA director, he'll be negotiating with owners for the players' slice of the revenue pie. Gilbert would be expanding the cap.

Second, taking your point as gospel, it is also true that the amount of winning players can do is fixed. For every win a team like the Pats gets, there are that many fewer wins for every other team. Add all the wins and losses up league wide at the end of the year, the league as a whole is .500. So if players shouldn't try to get as much money as they can, why should they try to win as much as they can?

hwc said:

Who got the last laugh:

Tampa Bay: $16 million (2013)
New England: $12 million (2014)
New Jersey: $17 million (2015)

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The first team and the last team are suckers, the one in the middle got the best deal.

ViperGTS said:

The reason most normal people work is for the money, I assume. I would also assume most athletes play for a championship.

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Why make that latter assumption? Especially when it's empirically disproven more often than not.