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The Patriots Couldn't and Shouldn't Match the Jets Offer to Darrelle Revis - READ THIS


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Jets upside: Revis continues to play at an elite level, and the Jets finish 10-6 at best, but more likely are 7-9 with a garbage QB and still a mostly garbage roster.

Jets downside: Revis gets injured and for the next three seasons, there is virtually zero chance that they can field a competitive team, considering this would be like taking on the Aaron Hernandez dead money multiplied by three.

Sounds like par for the course for that laughing stock franchise. I truly think this is their way of "winning" and getting positive press the only way they can.
 
In theory. The issue is not the Patriots. Revis wanted the deal HIS way and on HIS terms. The Patriots won't deviate from how they operate the business. This is why the Patriots are the Patriots and the Jets the Jets
I'm not disagreeing with you and it sounds like you aren't disagreeing with me though you clicked disagree on my comment. I was saying that the Pats could have matched the guarantees and gotten under the cap. It was doable but the Pats chose not to do it. To say they couldn't match the guarantee is not accurate.
Whether or not matching the Jets guarantees would have been smart is another argument.
 
The divide on this board is between those who like the idea of being competitive in 5 years vs those who can only think about more SBs for Brady and belichick. Could we have drawn up a contract for revis that wouldn't have forced us to give up too much this year? Probably. But say goodbye to at the very minimum of 2 of Jones/Hightower/Collins/Solder over the next few years. And once Brady and revis are done we are left with nearly nothing to build around on either side of the ball.

So true..we still have a very Steve Young like QB sitting on the bench waiting to take over anytime now...I am not even gonna be surprised to see if they force Brady to retire within the next 2 years or just trade him so we can move on to a younger core on the offense.
 
Jets are in great cap shape from not doing Revis type deals. So, what do they do? Resign Revis and give him what he wanted 3 years ago. Revis won again and he has laid the blueprint for getting every nickel out of the Jets.

Richardson will be needing a new contract soon. The Pats are about team and the Jets about greed.
 
Jets upside: Revis continues to play at an elite level, and the Jets finish 10-6 at best, but more likely are 7-9 with a garbage QB and still a mostly garbage roster.

Jets downside: Revis gets injured and for the next three seasons, there is virtually zero chance that they can field a competitive team, considering this would be like taking on the Aaron Hernandez dead money multiplied by three.

Sounds like par for the course for that laughing stock franchise. I truly think this is their way of "winning" and getting positive press the only way they can.

Trying to be objective, which is not easy, the Patriots and Jets are in different places.
If Revis is healthy and plays close to his current level for 3 years, then the Jets were right and the Patriots should have upped their offer.
If Revis declines, or is injured then the Pats were right and the Jets are hamstrung by missing on an enormous contract and 16 mill on IR hurts a lot.
I think both teams did the right thing.
The Patriots have a sustained success that and should be risk averse, while the Jets are a mess so taking the chance is worth it.
 
Trying to be objective, which is not easy, the Patriots and Jets are in different places.
If Revis is healthy and plays close to his current level for 3 years, then the Jets were right and the Patriots should have upped their offer.
If Revis declines, or is injured then the Pats were right and the Jets are hamstrung by missing on an enormous contract and 16 mill on IR hurts a lot.
I think both teams did the right thing.
The Patriots have a sustained success that and should be risk averse, while the Jets are a mess so taking the chance is worth it.
I agree with everything except saying if regis is healthy and plays close to his current level patriots should have upped the offer. You think having Revis aka elite-cb is more important that resigning Jones/Hightower/Collins/Solder ?? Because if we held onto Revis their is a slim chance we can hold onto the guys i mentioned.
 
I agree with everything except saying if regis is healthy and plays close to his current level patriots should have upped the offer. You think having Revis aka elite-cb is more important that resigning Jones/Hightower/Collins/Solder ?? Because if we held onto Revis their is a slim chance we can hold onto the guys i mentioned.
Its not Revis or all of them, its Revis and some combination of them.
Yes if Revis is healthy the next 3 years, we should have kept him. But you don't know that in advance, so the decision to not risk paying that much to have him on IR was reasonable.
 
So true..we still have a very Steve Young like QB sitting on the bench waiting to take over anytime now...I am not even gonna be surprised to see if they force Brady to retire within the next 2 years or just trade him so we can move on to a younger core on the offense.
serious question, are you joking?
 
Jets upside: Revis continues to play at an elite level, and the Jets finish 10-6 at best, but more likely are 7-9 with a garbage QB and still a mostly garbage roster.

Jets downside: Revis gets injured and for the next three seasons, there is virtually zero chance that they can field a competitive team, considering this would be like taking on the Aaron Hernandez dead money multiplied by three.

Sounds like par for the course for that laughing stock franchise. I truly think this is their way of "winning" and getting positive press the only way they can.
Well, the real Jets upside is they get Mariota in the draft, and he's the real deal, the new coach isn't a cluster ****, and they build toward the playoffs in the next couple of years.
 
Trying to be objective, which is not easy, the Patriots and Jets are in different places.
If Revis is healthy and plays close to his current level for 3 years, then the Jets were right and the Patriots should have upped their offer.
If Revis declines, or is injured then the Pats were right and the Jets are hamstrung by missing on an enormous contract and 16 mill on IR hurts a lot.
I think both teams did the right thing.
The Patriots have a sustained success that and should be risk averse, while the Jets are a mess so taking the chance is worth it.
I agree with you that both sides "did the right thing" for their franchise. The Jets were a clown car franchise for the last 3 or 4 years. A literal laughing stock of an organization who can't even compete with the other franchise in their own town, let alone the rest of the league. They had to do SOMETHING to establish their creditability with their own fan base, and they because a perfect foil for Revis' demands.

Where we disagree is you thought that should Revis remain healthy and stay as productive for the next 3 years, it will prove the Pats made a mistake. Did you actually read the OP, Andy. There is no way the Pats could have matched that deal and remain competitive beyond 2015, and that's assuming they could have shaved enough cap space to do a deal, and sign a draft class. The cap situations between the 2 teams are ENTIRELY different.

2 things have come into focus for me over the last 2o hours. First, this has been the most blatant example of illegal tampering in the history of the league. Forget about the lip slip by the idiot owner. The Jets clearly broke EVERY rule of "legal tampering period" there was. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this deal was in the works weeks a go. If the Pats don't get at least the Jets 2nd round pick, it will be an utter travesty.

Secondly, I doubt the Pats ever had a chance, even if they matched. We made the assumption that give the great time he had here, how well he worked with the players and coaches, and how much MORE success he could have in the future; he would be more inclined to come back if the offers were in the same ball park. If you believed that (as ALL of us did), you were mistaken. Revis got his ring, but more important than getting a 2nd one is first the money. Not because he can spend more, but what the money symbolizes.

Secondly, regardless of how well he plays here in NE, the best he can hope to be here is #4, after BB, Brady, and Gronk. In NJ he's THE man, and no one is even a close second. Clearly THAT is what makes Darelle Revis tick. Otherwise why would you go back to a team where you have to know you will never get to another superbowl, let alone win one.

Now this doesn't make him a bad person. By all accounts he was an excellent teammate. But clearly what moves him is the drive to be great (because he works hard at his craft), but other things as well. While most of us thought him winning a ring would tie him even further to us, the reality was that once he got the ring thing out of the way, it actually made it easier for him to leave with a bucket list item checked off.

The man clearly wanted to be in NYC, on his own terms, and for his own reasons. He got EXACTLY what he wanted. He is the undisputed face of the franchise, and the highest paid defensive back in the history of the league.
 
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Pat Kirwin on Revis deal:

"Never in a million years were the New England Patriots going to consider that kind of territory for a Revis deal...."
 
I don't think it's about matching that deal it's about how much less Revis was willing to take to come back. Obviously we can't match that deal but we don't know for sure how much less Revis would have taken.
 
Jets are in great cap shape from not doing Revis type deals. So, what do they do? Resign Revis and give him what he wanted 3 years ago. Revis won again and he has laid the blueprint for getting every nickel out of the Jets.

Richardson will be needing a new contract soon. The Pats are about team and the Jets about greed.
Patriots should start talking to Richardson soon. May as well since tampering isn't a thing anymore.
 
You can rest assured, it will be when the Pats do it.
 
A lot of people are saying that they don't blame Revis for taking the money, but in doing so he handicaps whatever team he signs with for that amount. It's the Brady versus Manning situation (Brady restructuring for the benefit of the team compared to Peyton demanding top dollar - until this year), but with less justification than Manning. No position, other than quarterback, has the kind of impact on a team that warrants such a large percentage of the overall cap. Heck, Watt has been the best defensive player in the NFL for at least the past two years, but during the 2013 season, the Texans had the league's worst record. As someone said, can you imagine a team with the NFL's best quarterback having the league's worst record? Bottom line, when Revis signs such a contract, he harms the long term quality of the team, whether we are talking about the Pats or the Jets.
 
I don't understand how people can say Revis signed a below-market deal for 2014 @ $12M, and then say that $14M is too much, after the cap increased significantly over last year.

He's a franchise-type player, and was one of only three on the team. I think he was worth the money. I think you get in trouble by giving franchise-level deals to players who aren't franchise players.

It's possible that the Patriots might have had difficulty writing a check for the $39M that it would have taken to match the Jets' offer. That's a pretty big chunk of cash for any business.
 
I don't understand how people can say Revis signed a below-market deal for 2014 @ $12M, and then say that $14M is too much, after the cap increased significantly over last year.

He's a franchise-type player, and was one of only three on the team. I think he was worth the money. I think you get in trouble by giving franchise-level deals to players who aren't franchise players.

It's possible that the Patriots might have had difficulty writing a check for the $39M that it would have taken to match the Jets' offer. That's a pretty big chunk of cash for any business.
The problem isn't so much the 14, 16 and 17 mil salaries, it's the refusal to allow any part of it be in the form of signing bonus, roster bonus and the like. My understanding is that those salary numbers translate to direct salary cap hits, and it's not the way the Pats structure contracts and would have led to problems, immediately and down the road.
 
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