Compensatory draft pick for Revis

I agree that the jets will be penalized for tampering through the owner's public statements. He violated the rules. Other teams are also being investigated. Other teams had much more first violations.

It does NOT follow that the patriots will receive anything. To suggest that Revis and his team isn't smart enough to know that some team might offer more than the patriots is a little silly. To suggest that Revis and his team wasn't smart enough to know that he could wait until TUES afternoon to find out his worth is also pretty silly.

Finally, the system provide the patriots with the compensatory third.

I think its more the owner got the info out there months ago, giving Revis time to think and soften on his stance of being traded away by the Jets.
Also using the media to report that the Jets would pay him a handsome ransom Is indeed tampering.
Because you have exhibit A the owner stating he never wanted to part with him and would love to have him back.
Exhibit B countless NY reporters reporting potential salary figures the Jets would lavish upon him.
Exhibit C Kept the Patriots frozen during Free agency as name after name got signed.
Not only that but we have to change the very style of defense that won us a Superbowl.
That should easily be worth a swap of first round picks.

Regarding 2016 compensatory picks, I have found a great online resource at the following URL(s):

http://overthecap.com/draft/ (<-- look to the right hand column for the running list)
http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ (<-- as teams sign UFA's, picks net)

So far, a 3rd and two 6ths. The picks can get pushed down if other bigger deals get signed or cancelled completely if we go out and sign a qualifying player to a big contract.

Not a huge Peter King fan but this little blurb in mmqb got my attention.

" I think there’s going to be pressure on the league to look into Jets owner Woody Johnson’s comments—harmless or inviting, depending which side of the argument you come down on—on how much he wanted Darrelle Revis back in January. Goodell will be pressured to consider taking a draft choice away from the Jets this year so that more teams don’t say as a matter of course how much they like and want Player X."

IllegalContact said:

the pats are getting nothing in the tampering even if the jets are penalized

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I'm not so sure about that. This is a clear case of a billionaire owner saying on camera that he wanted Darrelle Revis, and he got Darrelle Revis. There is absolutely no question that this started before the legal tampering period, and is indisputable. Other coaches and owners always decline to talk about players on contract with other teams. Billionaire Woody Johnson openly expressed his interest in hiring a player under contract to another team.

The Patriots received compensation in 1997 from the Jets for tampering with Bill Parcells in the form of four draft choices: "The Patriots received third and fourth-round picks in the 1997 NFL Draft, a second-round pick in the 1998 NFL Draft, and a first-round pick in the 1999 NFL Draft in compensation for allowing Parcells to become the Jets' head coach.[12]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jets–Patriots_rivalry

I imagine it's been posted but the definition of tampering is clear and unambiguous :

Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player or that player's agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti-Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: “He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”)

That's exactly with Johnson did. Not, the penalty that's unclear and ambiguous so who knows.

I don't have the details, but there is precedent for the offended team in a tampering case to get some compensation right? Usually it's minor, in the form of swapping picks in a late round, so I could see something like that happen here, especially with the direct connection to the Revis signing.

Regardless of that, the Jets should get a little extra punishment (additional fine, loss of additional pick that doesn't go to anyone) for the fact that they are repeat offenders who were warned against this recently. After all, that was the motivation behind the stiffness of the Spygate penalties.

goheels22002 said:

I'm not so sure about that. This is a clear case of a billionaire owner saying on camera that he wanted Darrelle Revis, and he got Darrelle Revis. There is absolutely no question that this started before the legal tampering period, and is indisputable. Other coaches and owners always decline to talk about players on contract with other teams. Billionaire Woody Johnson openly expressed his interest in hiring a player under contract to another team.

The Patriots received compensation in 1997 from the Jets for tampering with Bill Parcells in the form of four draft choices: "The Patriots received third and fourth-round picks in the 1997 NFL Draft, a second-round pick in the 1998 NFL Draft, and a first-round pick in the 1999 NFL Draft in compensation for allowing Parcells to become the Jets' head coach.[12]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jets–Patriots_rivalry

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yeah.............that's not the same........coaches are a completely different beast....

I'm going to waste my time with hand-wringing over this......

From AdamJT13 on the formula for compensatory pick eligibility:

AdamJT13 said:

In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.

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BelichickFan said:

I imagine it's been posted but the definition of tampering is clear and unambiguous :

Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player or that player's agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti-Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: “He’s an excellent player, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”)

That's exactly with Johnson did. Not, the penalty that's unclear and ambiguous so who knows.

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Yup, tampering definitely happened without a doubt. Which means the league office should only need a week or so of investigation to determine that. As far as penalty, I'm willing to bet it'll be a slap on the wrist.

Wilfork, Browner, and Revis are all eligible for 2016

mgteich said:

I agree that the jets will be penalized for tampering through the owner's public statements. He violated the rules. Other teams are also being investigated. Other teams had much more first violations.

It does NOT follow that the patriots will receive anything. To suggest that Revis and his team isn't smart enough to know that some team might offer more than the patriots is a little silly. To suggest that Revis and his team wasn't smart enough to know that he could wait until TUES afternoon to find out his worth is also pretty silly.

Finally, the system provide the patriots with the compensatory third.

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I disagree and bear me out please. The jets were Revis first choice when Tampa cut him. The previous FO rebuffed him and he then went to the pats. 6 weeks prior to negotiations, the owner of the jets said that the people he had in place had made a mistake and are fired! and that he would have paid Revis the 2 year 32 mill contract and that he would welcome him back home.

We are not talking about saying specific numbers during a 72 hour window leading up to FA with a visiting FA, that is not even in the same stratosphere of a violation. Just because both are considered tampering, is like saying the same thing as a slapped hand is to getting shot with a shot gun.

A assistant coach with the lions said that if KC cut anyone they would be interested, the league punished the lions by a swith of 3rds and a late rd choice. An asst coach is nothing, he could not sign anyone in a million years, he could get a old player a try out or an interview but that is it. Compare that to the owner specifying the player by name, the player being an allpro and not the 6th safety on the chiefs (it was Page who the pats traded a late pick for) and for a division rival. The rivals are bitter unlike detroit and KC, no previous history of tampering, the assistant coach was not warned by the league the year before regarding Desean Jackson, the only reason he was not punished was the eagles did not press charges, so he just got off with a hand slap

Miguel said:

Wilfork, Browner, and Revis are all eligible for 2016

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Likewise with Vereen and Casslias(sp)

The Jets worked on an orchestrated scheme using five players to stand on the sideline with their feet on the chalk and then TRIP any opponent wide receiver making a big play on that sideline. WORKED ON IT AT PRACTICE!!! With Rex Ryan as a head coach and overseer.

When confronted, Ryan fired Sal Alosi and Jetdell,in effect, said this to the press...
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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell declared Alosi violated rules by ordering inactive players to form a sideline phalanx that would hinder gunners on punt coverage.

The NFL released a statement that said Alosi "placed players in a prohibited area on the sideline to impede an opposing team's special teams players and gain a competitive advantage. This is both a competitive violation as well as a dangerous tactic."

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/24011/sal-alosi-wall-draws-100000-fine-for-jets

Jetdell absolved Ryan of any/all blame, fined the idiot owner 100K (in essence 25 cents) and then begged the press to get off Ryan's back about it.

and you seriously think this scumbagdell is going to do ANYTHING now...over a few words? He swept ORCHESTRATED PUBLIC IN GAME CHEATING under the rug! He's made a bigger deal out of a fake ball tampering charge by a quantum factor than this Jets tampering allegation. That is NOT rain you feel on your back as Goodell stands behind you, I and every Patriot fan that lives.

I would expect for it to be the Jets' first round pick for the tampering that took place, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

micronin127 said:

Regarding 2016 compensatory picks, I have found a great online resource at the following URL(s):

http://overthecap.com/draft/ (<-- look to the right hand column for the running list)
http://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ (<-- as teams sign UFA's, picks net)

So far, a 3rd and two 6ths. The picks can get pushed down if other bigger deals get signed or cancelled completely if we go out and sign a qualifying player to a big contract.

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As a reminder, the rule is that contracts for UFAs gained always cancel downward if there's an available contract before they cancel upward. In other words, Sheard's $5.5M cancels out Vereen's $4.0M, not Revis' $14M.

I'm no expert on how the Como formula works, but would we be entitled any comp picks for Revis and Browner?

Or does the fact that we declined both of their options, nullify this?

Doubt it. They chose not to pick up his option and sign him.

Patriot Missile said:

Doubt it. They chose not to pick up his option and sign him.

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The Patriots declined Donte Stallworth's option after 2007 (his contract was actually a six-year deal!) and still got a third-round comp pick for him in 2009.

Yes, they both count and Wilfork does too. They were not cut, their contract ended and we didn't pick up their option.