Lets all be honest about the whole situation (revis)( Mccourty) (Browner)

Off The Grid · Mar 11, 2015

r3pnit said:
If we all here had a choice, 90%+ would rather kept revis and browner over Mccourty. Mccourty became good once again when revis joined. No matter what happens, we still trust are coach but some poor decision and planning was done here. Mccourty is not going to make are defense a lot better at a safety position with no corners. A player like Revis and Sherman come around once in a blue moon. A player like Mccourty are not hard to fine. Either way we have to move on and go back to are old ways on defense. Sorry I just had to post this and get it off my chest

You forgot your Caps, Dikembe.

bresna · Mar 11, 2015

Prior to the Patriots signing of Devin McCourty: Devin McCourty is the Jewel of Free Agency

Did the Bleacher Report really get it that wrong?

Brewskies · Mar 11, 2015

People the off season is just starting give it time to develop and see what BB does and then write the concerns.

blackglass3 · Mar 11, 2015

If McCourty's were so easy to find why did A) we pay $9.5m a year for him and B) did he turn down more than that from other teams?

Great safety's are few and far between. I get the jilted lover thing going on with Revis leaving, but that doesn't mean McCourty sucks.

ChoWZa · Mar 11, 2015

No one except a quarterback is worth the kind of money Revis got from the Jets because of simple injury risk. They're insane. I'll take our 27 year old star safety for five years over Revis.

The only reason a quarterback/injury risk doesn't apply is because regardless of how much you pay your quarterback if he gets hurt you're done anyway. I'm a proponent of paying money for a strong secondary but never Revis money. I don't understand how you can have healthy locker room with one player receiving 16-17m/yr guaranteed, especially the Patriots locker room. I'll pass on Revis.

Crazy Patriot Guy · Mar 11, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
Can't agree with you more, you are absolutely right!

McCourty could have been replaced by Wilson and nobody would really know the difference if Revis and Browner were still here.

If this was even close to true, you should be slamming the Seahawks for being the dumbest franchise in football considering what they pay Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

r3pnit · Mar 11, 2015

We all here enjoyed having a better defense than a 2007 offense this year. Facts are defense wins championships. This has been the case for the past few years. We have to move on . Even if it means giving up 300-400 yards passing a game and going back to our old defense.

edit: lets not forget Revis made are offense and receivers a hell of a lot better due to practice with him

JackBauer · Mar 11, 2015

r3pnit said:
Even if it means giving up 300-400 yards passing a game and going back to our old defense.

So this is the only option, huh?

FreeTedWilliams · Mar 11, 2015

Crazy Patriot Guy said:
If this was even close to true, you should be slamming the Seahawks for being the dumbest franchise in football considering what they pay Chancellor and Earl Thomas.

Tell me you wouldn't take either one of those guys over McCourty!

McCourty is being paid the same as Thomas and much more than Chancellor.

40yrpatsfan · Mar 11, 2015

McCourty was both critical and signable, kudos to the Pats for getting that done.

Revis was never really signable, I never gave it much chance. The only way would've been if the contract a year ago was for $16m instead of $20m in year 2, and the fact it wasn't told you he was planning to leave all along. No way we should have matched the Jets offer, and even if we had he may have still left - I think his wife wanted to live around New York. We got a good deal to have him last year for $12m, now time to move on.

We've now got much more financial flexibility, and it's not like our CB cupboard is bare. Even if Browner leaves, Butler is very solid, Ryan could go to the next level, Dennard is pretty good, Arrington is good. That's 4 experienced guys to start with. I've never felt better about safety, that had been a huge weakness for many years and now it's real solid. So we're in a good place.

JackBauer · Mar 11, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
Tell me you wouldn't take either one of those guys over McCourty!

McCourty is being paid the same as Thomas and much more than Chancellor.

And you could argue McCourty is the second-best FS in the league after Thomas.

Brady_to_Moss · Mar 11, 2015

Mccourty was good before those guys came...but would i rather have revis and browner or mccourty? Would take the revis package nprobally

You sound like my buddy who thinks mccourty isn't a top 5 ect in this league..clearly is

zabak80 · Mar 11, 2015

"some poor decision and planning was done here"

Why do you say it's poor planning? You make it sound like Belichick woke up early Monday morning and said "Oh crap, I forgot to resign Revis!"

Also, you think the professionals running a BILLION dollar sports team are intentionally making poor decisions?

Bartmac36 · Mar 11, 2015

Let's all be reasonable here, McCourty is a good, solid, reliable, PERFECT PATRIOT type of player, But he is not a truly elite safety. A lot like Mayo in his prime, who has a couple pro bowl and all-pro's on his resume, but if you watched Mayo compared to the truly elite guys like Patrick Willis or a Luke Keuchly, the difference is obvious. That's where McCourty is in my opinion.

Bill loves him and the way he goes well with the Patriot way and as a result he's a captain, and THAT, more so than anything he has done on the field as a safety, is why he is considered a top tier and all-pro player (second team all-pro btw, which is NOT the same thing). If he played for some random team that wasn't the best team in the NFL consistently the way the Patriots are, like the Rams or Bengals or something, I doubt most people would even know his name.

I'm not here to bash McCourty because I do like him, but anyone saying that he was the original savior of the defense before last season is clearly using REVISionist (had to go for the pun) history.

McCourty = good, not great. And NOT in the same class as a Revis..

r3pnit · Mar 11, 2015

zabak80 said:
"some poor decision and planning was done here"

Why do you say it's poor planning? You make it sound like Belichick woke up early Monday morning and said "Oh crap, I forgot to resign Revis!"

Also, you think the professionals running a BILLION dollar sports team are intentionally making poor decisions?

so you cant run a billion dollar company and make bad decisions? Ask the Jets how they used their cap space last year

JackBauer · Mar 11, 2015

Bartmac36 said:
McCourty = good, not great. And NOT in the same class as a Revis..

McCourty is a great safety and not in the same class as a Revis. But who is?

Assuming a top-5 player in the NFL is elite, then McCourty is elite. It's really that simple.

Fixit · Mar 11, 2015

Bartmac36 said:
Let's all be reasonable here, McCourty is a good, solid, reliable, PERFECT PATRIOT type of player, But he is not a truly elite safety. A lot like Mayo in his prime, who has a couple pro bowl and all-pro's on his resume, but if you watched Mayo compared to the truly elite guys like Patrick Willis or a Luke Keuchly, the difference is obvious. That's where McCourty is in my opinion.

Bill loves him and the way he goes well with the Patriot way and as a result he's a captain, and THAT, more so than anything he has done on the field as a safety, is why he is considered a top tier and all-pro player (second team all-pro btw, which is NOT the same thing). If he played for some random team that wasn't the best team in the NFL consistently the way the Patriots are, like the Rams or Bengals or something, I doubt most people would even know his name.

I'm not here to bash McCourty because I do like him, but anyone saying that he was the original savior of the defense before last season is clearly using REVISionist (had to go for the pun) history.

McCourty = good, not great. And NOT in the same class as a Revis..

And, yet, the best coach in football saw fit to pay him as an elite safety. Weird.

FreeTedWilliams · Mar 11, 2015

JackBauer said:
And you could argue McCourty is the second-best FS in the league after Thomas.

until you look at the stats.. he is 117th! in tackles last year. Let's see how many Free Safeties had better years last year......

Tackles Sacks Passes Defended INTs FF (forced/recovered)
McCourty 68 0 6 2 1
Eric Weddle 114 0 8 1 2
Charles Woodson 112 1 8 4 1
Michael Griffin 112 3 5 2 0
Ryan Clark 102 .5 3 1 2
Earl Thomas 97 0 6 2 1
Reggie Nelson 94 1.5 12 4 0
Ha Ha Dix 94 1 6 1 1
Rashad Johnson 93 1 8 4 1
Harrison Smith 93 3 9 5 1
Josh Evans 90 0 2 0 2
Kendrick Lewis 82 0 6 4 4
Dashon Golston 81 0 1 0 1
Malcolm Jenkins 80 0 15 3 3
Dwight Lowery 79 1 5 2 3
Aaron Williams 76 0 5 1 0
Mike Mitchell 71 0 3 0 2

Fixit · Mar 11, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
until you look at the stats.. he is 117th! in tackles last year. Let's see how many Free Safeties had better years last year......

Tackles Sacks Passes Defended INTs FF (forced/recovered)
McCourty 68 0 6 2 1
Eric Weddle 114 0 8 1 2
Charles Woodson 112 1 8 4 1
Michael Griffin 112 3 5 2 0
Ryan Clark 102 .5 3 1 2
Earl Thomas 97 0 6 2 1
Reggie Nelson 94 1.5 12 4 0
Ha Ha Dix 94 1 6 1 1
Rashad Johnson 93 1 8 4 1
Harrison Smith 93 3 9 5 1
Josh Evans 90 0 2 0 2
Kendrick Lewis 82 0 6 4 4
Dashon Golston 81 0 1 0 1
Malcolm Jenkins 80 0 15 3 3
Dwight Lowery 79 1 5 2 3
Aaron Williams 76 0 5 1 0
Mike Mitchell 71 0 3 0 2

Tackles. Right.

JackBauer · Mar 11, 2015

FreeTedWilliams said:
until you look at the stats.. he is 117th! in tackles last year. Let's see how many Free Safeties had better years last year......

Using tackles to evaluate free safety play. I don't think further comment is really necessary.

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