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Like most of my Idle thoughts posts, it is often a kind of a therapeutic exercise designed to help me think things through in chaotic times. So I’ll put down some things that might help me, and when you participate, might help you. ;)
  1. OK he’s gone. I’d like to say I’m not surprised, but I truly am. Why anyone would choose to voluntarily sign to play for that cesspool, regardless of the money, is truly baffling.
  1. That being said, if he had to go somewhere, I’m happy it was to the Jets. Of course he will help them be a better team, but he won’t hurt us. Let me explain. We aren’t a team that relies on just one or two receivers for our passing game. Quite frankly, it won’t matter as much that he can shut down one of our WR’s. We will simply throw to the others.
  1. The Browner move makes more sense now. With Revis, and the Pats playing predominately press man coverages, Browner made a lot of sense. His physical play was a perfect counterpoint when you could afford to protect him from his limitations. Without Revis, all his flaws become more exposed. His value as a 3down CB is diminished, and his price as a situational CB was too high. I’d love to see him come back because there ARE situations where he can be valuable, but it would have to be at a better price.
  1. The Felgerites and most of the rest of the mediots will spend the next month bashing BB and Kraft for not “getting this done”. Then they will predict that the Pats will be good but not Superbowl worthy. They will celebrate all the great moves their rivals have made, and question everything the Pats did. I know that BB is not infallible. He makes mistakes, and maybe this is one of them. However 15 years of unprecedented success SHOULD earn him some credibility. Sadly it won’t with the mediots. Ah well, another off season Lombardi lost to the Jets. :rolleyes:
  1. There are no ready saviors this year for the Pats to pick up. But I’m looking to add some size, so Cromartie and Culliver would seem like the best options. While not nearly as physical, Cromartie has similar length and more flexibility. Culliver is a 27 year old, 6 footer, and had 2 productive years with the Niners with 14 passes defended in each of the last 2 years. Certainly not ideal, but would add some size and experience to our CB group.
  1. I’ve mentioned this before, but our current CB group as it stands right now is significantly better than the one that got the Pats to the superbowl in 2011. And this is based on what we have here in March. Who knows what the make up will be come September…and beyond.
  1. And before everyone wants to bash our current secondary, what we have now is STILL better than the secondary groups that the Ravens, Steelers, Colts and Bengals put out last season.
  1. And secondaries don’t work in vacuums. So while we can expect to get less production from the secondary, we have every reason to expect improved play from the still developing LB’s, and Mayo returning. Plus improved play from the DL with Easely and Buchannon coming back. Plus the improvement from the young DLmen
  1. The weakened secondary should also get help from an improving offense. A. The OL should be better with Volmer and Solder as anchors and Connolly and Wendell back as stable starters or back ups, and a young corps of good young guys like Stork, Flemming, and Kline.
    B. A young WR group with another year to work with Brady, plus Dobson.
    C. And a good solid corps or versatile RB’s
    D…… And Gronk.
  1. The point being, that while this hurts, we can’t lose track of the fact that this is a TEAM, and when there are loses in one area of the team, other areas have to take up the slack. Good teams do that, and when they do, losing a guy, even as good as Revis, they will continue to win.
  1. And then there is the draft. If it is as successful as the drafts we’ve had In recent years we should be looking at getting 2-3 players who will help us in at least on a rotational role to start.
  1. I’d love to keep DA around, but if cutting him gave us a shot at Andre Johnson I’d do it in a flash. I really don’t think he’d come here because he would never be “the guy” here, and that’s why he’s left Texas. The Colts would look like the ideal destination.
  1. Until the dust clears in a couple of days, I get the feeling all cap numbers are guesswork. I’m hearing anything from 10-14MM under the cap. That could get us a couple of decent FA’s as the prices go down, but probably no one that will excite anyone. Remember the first reaction when the LaFell signing was first announced. :eek:
  1. In the end, it is calm and patience that is needed now. Outrage and hand wringing aren’t going to bring back Revis. The building of this team has over full 5 months to run, and if you start *****ing now, you won’t make it to the start of the season with your sanity intact. ;)
  1. BTW- Slow start warning - I wouldn’t forget that Pats, Seahawks, and Packers all got off to very slow starts last season. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit that all the final 4 teams struggle at the start of the season as they have played over a month longer than most of the league.
  1. Still this is a loss, and losses hurt. So like I do during the season when they lose, I will avoid the sports media like the plague for the next week or so, and probably spend a lot of time on the Draft board thinking about what the Pats can do with that extra draft pick they are going to get from the Jets. ;)
 
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I'd like to talk about thought #1...

And on thought #1 I believe you meant Andre Johnson, not Andre Williams, the giants 2nd year RB.
 
Great post...just want to add that a free agency "loss" is a conscious strategic decision whereas an actual loss is a failure. Jets fans, just like other moronic fanbases, will surely thump their chests proclaiming a victory, while the solemn truth is that 31 other teams felt the price was too high for the player. Not sure why pricey free agent signings are so celebrated when year after year the GMs that receive the foolish adulation for spending more on a big name are typically gone before long. Let's remember the Patriots had a stacked roster and had gone to three straight conference title games...Revis was the extra boost that put them over the edge. But you can't reverse a team's fortunes, or years of bad moves, with one signing; likewise, not re-signing Revis is just one of many, many decisions that the Patriots make, and they are usually right. Belichick has started Brady over Bledsoe, benched Glenn, cut Milloy, traded Moss, traded Mankins, and walked away from big name free agents (as soon as the price got too high) so many times it's hard to name them all. Most all of these decisions left us fans emotionally distraught and feeling like the team would regret it, but BB is probably the most successful GM/coach in NFL history. That is why In Bill We Trust.
 
Since you brought up the Colts, it should be noted that they are making a pretty nice attempt at improvement in some areas.

Of course, they still have a poor management problem they have to overcome, but that doesn't stop their players from performing on the field, and they could pose problems.
 
Nice posts. One player does not make a team.

We will be in the fight again this season.
 
Great post...just want to add that a free agency "loss" is a conscious strategic decision whereas an actual loss is a failure. Jets fans, just like other moronic fanbases, will surely thump their chests proclaiming a victory, while the solemn truth is that 31 other teams felt the price was too high for the player. Not sure why pricey free agent signings are so celebrated when year after year the GMs that receive the foolish adulation for spending more on a big name are typically gone before long. Let's remember the Patriots had a stacked roster and had gone to three straight conference title games...Revis was the extra boost that put them over the edge. But you can't reverse a team's fortunes, or years of bad moves, with one signing; likewise, not re-signing Revis is just one of many, many decisions that the Patriots make, and they are usually right. Belichick has started Brady over Bledsoe, benched Glenn, cut Milloy, traded Moss, traded Mankins, and walked away from big name free agents (as soon as the price got too high) so many times it's hard to name them all. Most all of these decisions left us fans emotionally distraught and feeling like the team would regret it, but BB is probably the most successful GM/coach in NFL history. That is why In Bill We Trust.
I'm not overly concerned at what Miami and New York have done. They're both investing a silly amount of money (with significant guarantees) into one player who doesn't happen to be a Quarterback. That's a fast track to nowhere.

If that doesn't scream they're still chasing the Patriots, then I don't know what does. I can't wait to see the countermoves.
 
I don't have time for your well thought out well written opinions about how the team is greater than the sum of its parts. I need knee jerk reactions!
/sarcasm
 
I'm not overly concerned at what Miami and New York have done. They're both investing a silly amount of money (with significant guarantees) into one player who doesn't happen to be a Quarterback. That's a fast track to nowhere.

If that doesn't scream they're still chasing the Patriots, then I don't know what does. I can't wait to see the countermoves.

I don't wish injuries to players (except those on Manning's teams), but it really would be something if Suh and Revis sustained major injuries this year. The arrogance in giving that much money guaranteed can come at a price.
 
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I don't wish players on other teams (except Manning's teams), but it really would be something if Suh and Revis sustained major injuries this year. The arrogance in giving that much money guaranteed can come at a price.


Agree. Those injuries, if they happen, would underscore the Patriots approach to team building, which is why they are satisfying in an uncomfortable kind of way.
 
I don't wish injuries to players (except those on Manning's teams), but it really would be something if Suh and Revis sustained major injuries this year. The arrogance in giving that much money guaranteed can come at a price.
I can't wish injury on any player and I certainly don't blame them for chasing the money but the competitor in me takes less money for the right to compete. Neither Suh nor Revis will sniff a Super Bowl with their current teams. Their contracts preclude it.
 
I agree with #1 above in that the mediots on the airwaves just got volumes of ammunition for their talk shows for the next 4+ months... when Revis tweets "he is home", speaks volumes about where he wants to be.

Will we make it to the "Final Four" as we have in the past four years?? Stay tuned, we all know by now that BB and his inner circle have a plan...
 
The only thing I would add to this fine post is I am pleased the team did not make an exception and break long established disciplines. The guarantee, making more money than Brady were ugly intrusions to me that the people could have properly pointed to and say yeah, it is all BS. Rules apply to everyone except him. Well no, this is the way, stick to it.

The move would have inevitably caused problems with the other 52, and be especially painful for the men who have been loyal soldiers all along. Other players would be correct to feel that way. It is about team,
it is not just fancy words, it is a system, it is what is best for the team.
 
I don't wish injuries to players (except those on Manning's teams), but it really would be something if Suh and Revis sustained major injuries this year. The arrogance in giving that much money guaranteed can come at a price.
I'd be happy with a severe decline in their skills and an inability to play their best within a new scheme (think Revis in Tampa Bay).
 
Like other folks, I find your Point #1 to be interesting. :)

Beyond that, I'd add -- the defensive backfield is taking a big step down. Period, done, can't be seriously disputed. This shines a brighter light on the pass rush ... and guess what? The Pats are obviously in the market for an Ayers-replacement OLB type of player.

I'd further add -- the defense gave up quite a few points in two of the three post-season games. A change in emphasis could wind up being for the better. But on the other hand, pass rushers notoriously taper off in the fourth quarter. You need serious rotational depth if you're going to live and die by the pass rush.
 
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I love what Revis did for us last year - then again, the pass defence did look vunerable once the postseason started.

What we really need is some decent options to spell Chandler and Nink at DE and some consistent pressure up the middle.

Hopefully they'll make some additions during FA/draft in this area - still hoping Buchanan, Moore and Easley can step up also.
 
I love what Revis did for us last year - then again, the pass defence did look vunerable once the postseason started.

What we really need is some decent options to spell Chandler and Nink at DE and some consistent pressure up the middle.

Hopefully they'll make some additions during FA/draft in this area - still hoping Buchanan, Moore and Easley can step up also.
With impact additions, it is entirely possible that the Patriots D could improve. That said, losing Revis (for an incredibly stupid amount of guaranteed money) significantly weakens the Secondary. I don't imagine the Patriots will put out a comparable Secondary but the front 7, in theory, could be better if the Patriots go about it smartly.
 
1. There's no way to put lipstick on a pig they are a much weaker team than they were when the season ended.

2. For better or for worse, and it's been predominantly for the better, the Patriots take the long view when regarding fiduciary assets and their depreciation as a cost of ownership. I only use the financial buzzwords to illustrate that Bill is able to do what most of us cannot and take all the emotion out of it and make the best decision based on the facts. There are no arbitrary decisions just like there aren't on game day. It's all been thought out and I'm sure they plug it all into their spreadsheets and if it doesn't fit the model then it's not happening.

3. It's not just the track record in this instance that allows me to be calm. That 4th elusive, precious, glorious Lombardi is still too fresh.

4. I'm off to check out some film on the corners in this year's draft. :D
 
Nice posts. One player does not make a team.

We will be in the fight again this season.

One player did allow the Patriots to play man defense, 1 player did allow the defense to play a style that gave guys like Andrew Luck fits....without that 1 man, we are looking at a zone defense and zone defense is dead in the NFL.
 
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