Rate your confidence in the Patriots keeping Revis in New England

Tunescribe said:

If Revis ever felt that way he proved himself wrong in New Jersey and Tampa. I doubt he's that vain (or stupid).

Revis is a special case vs. your average NFL player. He already has banked $100 million. Whatever more he might make on a new Jets contract vs. staying with the Patriots won't appreciably improve his lifestyle. (There's another thread on this subject specifically.) Leaving a team that gives him an excellent shot at winning more titles for a mediocre team with a higher offer certainly is his right but would do his legacy no favors.

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Your opening statement proves my point. He played in b2b AFCCG with the Jets, a team with an outright abomination at quarterback. Doesn't that prove the idea that Revis (at least in his own mind) can turn an ordinary team into a contender when allowed to do what he does best (which Tampa never did)? Also, as we have seen over the last 10 years, even though the Pats have been an elite team, that doesn't guarantee more jewelry. What if Revis stays on here for 5 years and $1m less per year and never wins another SB? Do you think that would somehow improve his "legacy"? Do you think some perceived enhancement of his "legacy" to those who do not play the game is worth $5m to him? I doubt it, and would actually hope not.

letekro said:

Your opening statement proves my point. He played in b2b AFCCG with the Jets, a team with an outright abomination at quarterback. Doesn't that prove the idea that Revis (at least in his own mind) can turn an ordinary team into a contender when allowed to do what he does best (which Tampa never did)?

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The Jets drafted Revis and he was able to extort a crazy second contract out of them before being traded to Tampa where he opted out at his first opportunity. I don't know where you get this notion that he believes he can win the Super Bowl anywhere just because he's on that team. I've never heard or read that about him, which points to pretty wild conjecture on your part. And Sanchez certainly was not "an outright abomination" during those two AFCCG runs. Tampa was just a bad team all around.

letekro said:

Also, as we have seen over the last 10 years, even though the Pats have been an elite team, that doesn't guarantee more jewelry. What if Revis stays on here for 5 years and $1m less per year and never wins another SB? Do you think that would somehow improve his "legacy"? Do you think some perceived enhancement of his "legacy" to those who do not play the game is worth $5m to him? I doubt it, and would actually hope not.

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The idea, at least hopefully, is that championships mean something to Revis at this point in his career. His best opportunity is to play for a top-tier franchise like the Patriots and I think he knows that. You scoff at the notion of greater "legacy" mattering more than a few extra million to a man who already has more than $100 million. To many players, going down in league history as one of the greatest at their position AND a proven champion is just as valuable as a few extra digits on their bank account, if not more so.

Tunescribe said:

The Jets drafted Revis and he was able to extort a crazy second contract out of them before being traded to Tampa where he opted out at his first opportunity. I don't know where you get this notion that he believes he can win the Super Bowl anywhere just because he's on that team. I've never heard or read that about him, which points to pretty wild conjecture on your part. And Sanchez certainly was not "an outright abomination" during those two AFCCG runs. Tampa was just a bad team all around.

The idea, at least hopefully, is that championships mean something to Revis at this point in his career. His best opportunity is to play for a top-tier franchise like the Patriots and I think he knows that. You scoff at the notion of greater "legacy" vs. a few extra million to a man that already has more than $100 million. To many players, going down in league history as one of the greatest at their position AND a proven champion is just as valuable.

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My quoting of "legacy" is to highlight that what you mean by "legacy" is really "Patsfan's view of Revis's legacy." Since he does not care about what you or other fans think of him, I assume the extra $5m would be far more valuable to him than something that has no value. As for legacy that he likely actually does care about--being recognized by his peers as the best corner of his era, and being paid like it, being a first ballot hall of famer--none of this is impacted at all by going to a different team. Oh, and btw, he already is a "proven champion."

I don't have any special insight into the mind of Revis, but I can tell you that athletes of his caliber have enormous egos, are competitive beyond your imagination, and don't go to a new team thinking "we are going to suck." It's just not in their psychological makeup. For these reasons, I think he will go to the highest bidder unless its a tie or a virtual tie (e.g., small amount less guaranteed but likely incentives pushing it over the top) involving the pats. I actually think the Pats value him very, very highly, so I would expect them to be competitive.

letekro said:

My quoting of "legacy" is to highlight that what you mean by "legacy" is really "Patsfan's view of Revis's legacy."

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Where the hell did you get that idea? By legacy, I was referring to his legacy as an NFL player -- how he perceives himself, is viewed by his peers and in league-wide historical context -- not just from his stint with New England (however long it lasts).

letekro said:

I don't have any special insight into the mind of Revis,

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Somehow I figured that out, but thanks for coming clean on it anyway.

letekro said:

but I can tell you that athletes of his caliber have enormous egos, are competitive beyond your imagination, and don't go to a new team thinking "we are going to suck." It's just not in their psychological makeup.

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You seem to believe you know a lot about exactly how pro football players think. Is this further conjecture informed from what you've observed and read, or have you actually met, spoken to and interviewed any of them in-depth? Because I have. Many of them. And your guess at Revis's thought process is bizarre.

letekro said:

For these reasons, I think he will go to the highest bidder unless its a tie or a virtual tie (e.g., small amount less guaranteed but likely incentives pushing it over the top) involving the pats. I actually think the Pats value him very, very highly, so I would expect them to be competitive.

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I hope you're wrong about a few extra million making all the difference for him going elsewhere. We'll see.

Tunescribe said:

Leaving a team that gives him an excellent shot at winning more titles for a mediocre team with a higher offer certainly is his right but would do his legacy no favors.

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Its without a doubt his right. He would be a fool not to at least determine his market value. You state earlier he is whoring himself out but didn't D Mac take the same approach? He put himself on the market, determined his value, and then negotiated from there. If anything I repect Revis more for being able to seperate emotion from logic.

zoostation said:

Its without a doubt his right. He would be a fool not to at least determine his market value. You state earlier he is whoring himself out but didn't D Mac take the same approach? He put himself on the market, determined his value, and then negotiated from there. If anything I repect Revis more for being able to seperate emotion from logic.

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The "whoring himself out" reference applied to actually signing with a mediocre team just for money. As for "emotion" vs. "logic," sometimes the greatest act of wisdom is going with your heart.

Tunescribe said:

The "whoring himself out" reference applied to actually signing with a mediocre team just for money. As for "emotion" vs. "logic," sometimes the greatest act of wisdom is going with your heart.

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Oh my aching head....you're starting to sound like my wife.

Back to reality, when did Revis sign with a mediocre team just for money?

zoostation said:

Oh my aching head....you're starting to sound like my wife.

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Yeah, well, maybe you should listen to her.

zoostation said:

Back to reality, when did Revis sign with a mediocre team just for money?

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Never, but what's that got to do with it? I thought this thread was about where he might be headed.

zoostation said:

Back to reality, when did Revis sign with a mediocre team just for money?

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well, you can make the argument he did that with Tampa. It was a trade, but Tampa and Revis did it knowing a huge deal would occur....so not a straight up signing per se, but in reality thats what it was

ashley1992 said:

Let's hope that's true, we saw how much of a difference he makes in our defense and the thought of putting Ryan or Dennard on an island by themselves would be very troublesome lol

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To be fair, Ryan was "on an island by himself" a lot last year. Problem is, there was supposed to eba receiver there with him.

(j/k i actually like the kid and think he's going to find a solid niche with this team going forward - might go to safety, or if not, I think he'll step up his CB game - he's got a knack to get that pick.

It's 100%. Deus confirmed it. Anyone who thinks otherwise has feces for a track record. Even if they have no track record.

I said 100% chance.

Revis cares about his legacy and he wont have one if he goes back to Jets.

Tunescribe said:

Yeah, well, maybe you should listen to her.

Never, but what's that got to do with it? I thought this thread was about where he might be headed.

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I do listen to her, but instead of trying to logically follow the emotion I just try to agree and in my head I repeat these words to myself: unicorns , lollipops, leprechauns. This helps me to remember there is no logic and all emotion.

Moving forward, when you call Revis a whore for being logical, I will just think to myself, unicorns, lollipops and leprechauns

kennyb said:

It's 100%. Deus confirmed it. Anyone who thinks otherwise has feces for a track record. Even if they have no track record.

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OMG they killed Kenny!!!


YOU BASTARDS!!!

I hope he is back but i wonder with each passing hour. There shouldnt be much too think about if its the pats and the jets.

I give it a 60.5% chance so I can't vote on any of the options.

I have a feeling another team will offer him 5 yrs $80-85M. Not sure if the Pats will get close enough to that.

I voted very confident. Based on absolutely no facts, no real clue. Not even with some subjective reasoning. Just sheer, naked ignorance.

It was an aesthetic choice.

One thing that is overlooked: Revis MUST know that if he returns to New York, he will never be the beloved player he once was. He won a Super Bowl with the team's biggest and most hated rival; he will be forever linked to the Patriots organization. Although the front office will do their best to convince him that his locker has been waiting for him over the last two years, he's no dummy, and he must realize you can't step into the same river twice.

In addition to that, who knows what his relationship would be like with Todd Bowles; the Jets have so many unproven commodities, from their general manager to their head coach to their quarterback to their secondary. He's not coming back to give high fives to Cromartie, Scott, and Ellis any more. The last time he was in this situation, there were a whole lot of rose-colored predictions for the rebuilding Tampa Bay Bucs. How did that work out?

My guess is that, while Revis would in fact sign with the Jets if it's his only option (a huge financial difference), the Patriots are easily the frontrunner and he would much rather leverage the Jets than actually play for them.

zoostation said:

I do listen to her, but instead of trying to logically follow the emotion I just try to agree and in my head I repeat these words to myself: unicorns , lollipops, leprechauns. This helps me to remember there is no logic and all emotion.

Moving forward, when you call Revis a whore for being logical, I will just think to myself, unicorns, lollipops and leprechauns

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Sorry you don't believe logic and emotion can coalesce into something called wisdom.

Zoo, I never suggested Revis is a "whore" (probably a poor choice of words) for potentially entertaining other offers. I'm only saying he'd be selling himself out by going for a few extra bucks with a mediocre team that gives him little shot at another title at this stage of his career.