McCourty to stay with Patriots!

patfanken · Mar 9, 2015

patsfaninpa said:
I consider Deion Branch and Asante Samuel draftees who performed at a very high level. Made the correct move in both cases. They got overpaid in free market. We end up getting Welker for way less than Branch a year later. Never really replaced Asante. He was overpaid though.

Only Mike Felger would make this kind of "shoot from the hip, misleading comment, PA. Neither Branch, nor Samuel where elite talents at their positions. Both were "good" players who's value was elevated by playing on those 3 Championship teams. None of them ever matched the same kind of success they had here, and BOTH were signed to vastly overpriced contracts that both their teams almost immediately regretted before they dumped them.

In fact both players were limited. Samuel could never play man, and only thrived in zone D's where he could play hit or miss defense, where he ended up being a player with a lot of picks, but one who also gave up a larger number of big plays. Deion, as much as I loved him as a Patriot, was also a limited player. He too thrived against zone defenses where his quickness and precise route running allowed him to separate from defenders. However when he faced physical man coverage he often disappeared for long periods of time. So as the league moved from playing predominately zone D's to predominately man, his value diminished

Neither deserved the elite level contracts they were seeking and ended up getting, much to the Eagles and Seahawks regret. NOT paying them was clearly the right decision for the Pats, even though it took some time to adequately replace them. However, when it came to paying their truly elite players, you can't name a single one who didn't get paid in their 2nd contracts.

patsbrasilpatriotas · Mar 9, 2015

chasa said:
Can we talk for a second about how BB has drafted so many good defensive players we now need to talk about how its going to be hard to retain them all?

Collins, Hightower, Chandler Jones, McCourty.

Add to that the pieces he's been able to bring in Revis, Ayers, Branch.

It's crazy.

The cap is rising every year. I used all Miguel´s numbers, and reducing Mayo salary, Amendolas numbers, Extending Solder,(5 - 37m ),Gostkowski ( 5- 19) and Revis ( 4 - 57).
If everything goes according to Planned we are 7 million bellow the cap ( Hooman was cut in my prediction). Signing all FA except for : Vereen , Ridley , Connoly , Ayers , Branch and Casillas , and our 9 draft choices. Next year Mayo dead number will be 2.4m and will be 0 in 2017. So Maybe its his last year if he isnt willing to a huge pay cut. Next year if we cut Mayo, Amendola and Cannon we will save almost 15m, I like Mayo but his is becoming a Wiforks situation. Maybe we could extend him for 2 or 3 years for less money and save 9 or 10 m cutting Amendola and Cannon.

PatsFanSince74 · Mar 9, 2015

primetime said:
Well, this is certainly good news - and, I might say, unexpected. Lock up Revis and everything from there is gravy.

Sound like famous last words to me. Speaking as someone who's botched a lot of gravies in my day as an amateur chef, "It ain't good gravy until the lumps are gone and your guests are asking for more."

shmessy · Mar 9, 2015

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/eagles_offered_more_than_patriots_did_to_devin_mcc.html

"......The Eagles were willing to pay more than the Patriots were, and the team made it clear they would top the Patriots' offer of five years and $47.5 million.

McCourty was close to signing with the Eagles, and had he not picked the Patriots, he would be on his way to Philadelphia, the person said, despite interest from the Giants and Jacksonville Jaguars.

Ultimately, however, the McCourty gave the Patriots a hometown discount (despite the being from New York)....."

shmessy · Mar 9, 2015

Poor Jets fans - - - this is comedy gold!

http://nyj.scout.com/forums/1875-the-landing-strip/13699619-it-s-mccourty-time?s=65

http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mccourty-staying-put-in-new-england.83571/

"I'll be pissed if they get both McCourty and Darrelle.Man I hate that ****ing team."

"I would like to know why the jets didn't make a hard push"

"I would have given him every cent of that."

"Revis better be coming home, if they retain both of them im going to freak... is it even possible at this point?"

"@AdamSchefter: S Devin McCourty will be re-signing with Patriots. Now Patriots will see if they can re-sign Darrelle Revis.
via Twitter
**** that, I wouldn't stand those ****ers keeping both of them, I'm so pissed right now"

Kdo5 · Mar 9, 2015

shmessy said:
Poor Jets fans - - - this is comedy gold!

http://nyj.scout.com/forums/1875-the-landing-strip/13699619-it-s-mccourty-time?s=65

http://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/mccourty-staying-put-in-new-england.83571/

I was actually a bit surprised visiting GangGreen, a lot of members seemed to want McCourty over Revis.

BelizePats · Mar 9, 2015

This, sir, made me laugh out loud and I thank you for that!

shmessy · Mar 9, 2015

More from gangreen:

"The fact we didn't even make a play for him is completely inexcusable."

"this was a perfect fit, I'm just wondering why they weren't even in the race. bowles like his safeties."

"Damn I wanted Devin to leave NE.
The #1 most desired free agent of most Jets fans here is off the market..."

"Really wanted McCourty. Thought he would benefit our team more than Mevis.
****!!! ****ing Pats."

"...Revis will go back to New England though. Brady will start to pay the team to open up cap space."

"????We have 4th most cap space in the league and aren't even mentioned as having been in the running for McCourty? What does "very active" mean to Macc exactly? Feels like Idzik v 2.0."

resdubwhite · Mar 9, 2015

Welcome home Devin.

any sign of what the breakdown is over years yet. I presume that information will come to light over the next couple of days.

I'd expect first year hit of aout 6-7 million? that puts the team about 10 mill over now.

the clock is ticking on revis now.

wonder if we can expect Amendola/Solder/Arrington contract news to come out shortly.

going to be an interesting 36 hours.

Galeb · Mar 9, 2015

BelizePats said:
This, sir, made me laugh out loud and I thank you for that!

What did, the poop pic?

shmessy · Mar 9, 2015

And a "well played, sir" goes out to our very own strngplyr over there!!!

Hayn:
↑
**** McCourty. Marshall gonna make him look ****ty next year.

strngplyr:
Just like last season, with Jefferey, Bennet, Forte, and a better QB lol

pazrul72 · Mar 9, 2015

I was thinking about this deal and how it went down on my way in to school this morning. What was the original patriot offer and what numbers increased to hit the mark? The first most obvious assumption is AAV but I honestly can not see Bill upping his offer all that much monatary wise. I love McCourty but he is not the best safety in the league, he is in that next tier down and in a vacuum is probably worth 7.5-8 mil a year. The problem is he was not signed in a vacuum he was easily the best safety on the market so he got better offers then he is worth. I think Bill knew all that and the original offer was 9.5 for 4 years with 25 gaurented. With the Eagles having a ton of space I think their offer was 6 years 60 million with 30 gaurented. The numbers that had to go up to get this deal done was the years and the gaurented money. So McCourty really gave up IMO a year, 1.5 million gaurenteed, and 500k AAV... all worth it to play for the GOAT coach and a winning orginization.

Brit patriot · Mar 9, 2015

1960Pats said:
Having been a fan of the Pats from day one I feel like I earned this time. After all, I was a passenger on the NFL's clown car for a good portion of 40 years before the Pats became Kings of the NFL.

Other teams' fans loved our team back then, but they hate us now. Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

I became a fan they year we drafted Drew. I needed a team to support and was told that Boston was full of Irish by my family. Became an obsessive then, even though we weren't great.

I can only imagine how tough watching the car wreck that was the franchise for so many years before would have been! This is why I hate the concept of going 'all in' and saying you 'oh, I don't mind if we are **** for a few years, I want a SB'. It is a sign of a fan who thinks success is a given, and we will just naturally return to the top of the tree. Ask all the other teams who have fallen off a cliff how easy it is to return.

I intend to enjoy every single second of this run.

patsfaninpa · Mar 9, 2015

patfanken said:
Only Mike Felger would make this kind of "shoot from the hip, misleading comment, PA. Neither Branch, nor Samuel where elite talents at their positions. Both were "good" players who's value was elevated by playing on those 3 Championship teams. None of them ever matched the same kind of success they had here, and BOTH were signed to vastly overpriced contracts that both their teams almost immediately regretted before they dumped them.

In fact both players were limited. Samuel could never play man, and only thrived in zone D's where he could play hit or miss defense, where he ended up being a player with a lot of picks, but one who also gave up a larger number of big plays. Deion, as much as I loved him as a Patriot, was also a limited player. He too thrived against zone defenses where his quickness and precise route running allowed him to separate from defenders. However when he faced physical man coverage he often disappeared for long periods of time. So as the league moved from playing predominately zone D's to predominately man, his value diminished

Neither deserved the elite level contracts they were seeking and ended up getting, much to the Eagles and Seahawks regret. NOT paying them was clearly the right decision for the Pats, even though it took some time to adequately replace them. However, when it came to paying their truly elite players, you can't name a single one who didn't get paid in their 2nd contracts.

Limited. Yeah right. Branch sure as hell didn't look limited in Super Bowl 38 and 39. Or, the 04 AFCCG against Pittsburgh. Oh yeah, he had an awesome game at Denver when we lost in the divisional round in 05. We need more limited players if you think he was limited. Asante played at a pro bowl level in 06 and 07. Period. Case closed. Don't care what damn scheme he was used in. We didn't have a corner as good as him until we got Revis in 2014.

grux · Mar 9, 2015

rookBoston said:
I guess I'm the only guy who thinks re-signing McCourty is actually more important to the franchise than getting a few more years of Revis.

Revis to me is a luxury loaner... get it while you can. But Revis is a floater. A few more elite years and then likely past-prime in a Welker kind of way. Revis runs at an elite price point that will be hard to sustain against the cap over the long term. Whereas McCourty's 5-yr deal is for a proven veteran player just entering his prime. By the time McCourty sees the end of this contract he'll be 33 years old, he'll have been a Patriot for 10 years, and served as captain of the D for almost that entire time.

Don't get me wrong, I want to buy as much Revis as we can get and afford. But he's a hired gun. McCourty is and will be the long term core of our secondary for the balance of the decade. A constant. The cornerstone of our D.

The way I see it, if your goal is to compete for a SB in 2016, then I suppose landing Revis is probably the bigger win. If your goal is to compete for a SB every year from now until the day that Belichick decides to retire, a long term McCourty deal goes a lot further.

Well said and I think it is important that we sign our stand out home grown players to a second contract. If Revis wants to break the bank he won't be back in New England.

BradyFTW! · Mar 9, 2015

Brady_to_Moss said:
I would mind..very much.

Me too, Polamalu is done. He was done a year ago, now I would be surprised to see him make it out of TC for any team with a half-decent secondary. Although to be fair I said the same thing about Chung last year.

Deus Irae · Mar 9, 2015

Brit patriot said:
...This is why I hate the concept of going 'all in' and saying you 'oh, I don't mind if we are **** for a few years, I want a SB'. It is a sign of a fan who thinks success is a given, and we will just naturally return to the top of the tree. Ask all the other teams who have fallen off a cliff how easy it is to return.

I intend to enjoy every single second of this run.

You've got that exactly wrong, at least as applied to me. I want the wins now precisely because I do know that success is not a given. Let me put it like this: Rod Rust and **** MacPherson would have been a lot easier for me to sit through if the team had beaten the Bears in 1985.

Sicilian · Mar 9, 2015

Brit patriot said:
I became a fan they year we drafted Drew. I needed a team to support and was told that Boston was full of Irish by my family. Became an obsessive then, even though we weren't great.

I can only imagine how tough watching the car wreck that was the franchise for so many years before would have been! This is why I hate the concept of going 'all in' and saying you 'oh, I don't mind if we are **** for a few years, I want a SB'. It is a sign of a fan who thinks success is a given, and we will just naturally return to the top of the tree. Ask all the other teams who have fallen off a cliff how easy it is to return.

I intend to enjoy every single second of this run.

I think the idea of going all in would appeal to me more if I thought the odds of winning in that situation were close to 100%. I think most people would suffer through a few bad years if it meant a guaranteed Super Bowl. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Going all in still leaves you susceptible to all the things outside your control (injuries, any given Sunday, etc), so there's a better chance than not that you're going to go all in, NOT win a Super Bowl, and then deal with the consequences. That doesn't mean you can never overextend if you think you're a piece or two away, but "loading up" on big ticket free agents hasn't ever really been proven to work.

Brit patriot · Mar 9, 2015

Deus Irae said:
You've got that exactly wrong, at least as applied to me. I want the wins now precisely because I do know that success is not a given. Let me put it like this: Rod Rust and **** MacPherson would have been a lot easier for me to sit through if the team had beaten the Bears in 1985.

I understand what you are saying, but I believe if you build the franchise on solid ground, and make sure your team is up and around the top (as much as you can, granted) for a significant period of time, then the Superbowl chances will be higher, than if you go the 'free agency, salary cap hell, don't bother drafting a replacement QB, we will just get one later when we dive bomb and hope he is good' theory.

Hey; we all want the same thing anyway, in the end.

Brady_to_Moss · Mar 9, 2015

I am still wondering...if mccourty was more important then Revis..or was their hand just forced

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