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Assuming they get a deal done with Revis, I don't see much cap room to do much more than signing a few of their own free agents and/or replacing them with low dollar non-splash deals, well after the initial feeding frenzy of free agency.
5/$70M, $20M bonus, $1M 2015 salary, $35M guaranteed

The 2015 cap hit for this new contract would be $5M, cap savings of $15M less the overage gives us

TEN MILLION TO WORK WITH
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Yes, the priority is re-signing our own or replacements if we don't sign our own.
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As Miguel shows in detail, there are many ways to create more cap room. especially through restructures and/or extensions. The potential list includes Brady, Solder, Gronkowski, Gostkowksi, Mayo, Vollmer, Browner, Amendola and Arrington
 
I'd consider this off season to be extremely successful with us resigning Revis, McCourty and Ghost. Anything on top of that would be gravy like:
bringing back Connolly, Vereen, Ayers and restructuring Wilfork and Amendola. Focus on upgrading both sides of the line with the draft and then I think we're ready to defend our title.

I know your hoping we keep your binky amendola! He's your favorite. He was so clutch in the playoffs! Check ur pm
 
Yes. A reworked Revis deal would get us under the cap and probably enough extra cap room to sign draft picks. Then, we just have to find enough cap space for a 3rd down back, a safety, misc other depth needs, and emergency money to get through the season. I don't see the Pats being big players in free agency.

Some of the available options, like extending and adding dead money to a QB who will be 40 years old would just be stupid. Some,
 
Assuming we cut Revis we are about $18M under the cap. There are plenty of other ways to free up an additional $10-15M or so ($8M could be freed up with Brady and Mayo restructuring, per Miguel, and about $3-4M by cutting Amendola with a post June 1 designation). I'm going to assume about $30M to work with from those 3 moves, as a starting point. Other moves that could free up even more money would include:

- A long term deal for Nate Solder.
- A long term deal for Stephen Gostkowski.
- Trading Alfonzo Dennard would save around $1M in cap space. He's in the last year of his rookie deal.
- Cutting Michael Hoomanawanui (would save around $1.2M).
- Small restructures for Kyle Arrington, Brandon Browner and Sebastian Vollmer.

Even without those moves, with $30M in 2015 cap space to start with the Pats could potentially do some of the following:

1. Re-sign Darrelle Revis (4 years/$60M, $20M signing bonus, $20M guaranteed). 2015 cap hit $10M.
2. Re-sign Devin McCourty (5 years/$40M, $10M signing bonus, $16M guaranteed). 2015 cap hit $5M.
3. Cut Danny Amendola and sign Brian Hartline for Brandon LaFell kind of money. 2015 cap hit about $2.5M.
4. Sign Pierre Thomas to replace Shane Vereen as the 3rd down back, Thomas' 2014 deal with NO was for 2 years/$4M. Say 2 years/$3M with some incentives. 2015 cap hit about $1.5M. Thomas and Hartline could probably both be squeezed into the cap savings from cutting Danny Amendola with a post-June 1 designation.
5. Re-sign Akeem Ayers. Say 3 years/$12M or 4 years/$16M. Roughly Kyle Arrington kind of money. 2015 cap hit about $3M. I think BB will value Ayers' versatility and usefulness as a rotional player at both DE and LB.
6. Re-sign Alan Branch. Say 2 years/$3M. 2015 cap hit of about $1.5M.
7. Sign UFA DT Kenrick Ellis (Jets). Say 3 years/$8M plus incentives. 2015 cap hit around $2.5M. Ellis was a VERY good run stopper on a rotational basis, and is only 27.
8. Sign UFA TE Lance Kendricks. Say 2 years/$3M. 2015 cap hit around $1M.

Those signings come to about $27M in 2015 cap space. That leaves about $3M left over as a reserve. I would like to squeeze in low-cost re-signings for Dan Connolly and Jonathan Casillas if possible, but I'll leave them off for now. Clint Boling would be a great acquisition, but I'm assuming he's too pricey for now, depending on what other cost-cutting moves the team makes.

The draft:

1(32). I'd take Todd Gurley if he's available. I'd also strongly consider EDGE Bud Dupree, EDGE Owamagbe Odighizuwa (possibly with a trade back), EDGE Danielle Hunter (with a traceback), OL Cameron Erving, OL TJ Clemmings, OL Jake Fisher (with a tradeback).

2(64). Marcus Hardison, DT/DE, Arizona St. 6'3" 307# with 4.84 speed and a 7.29 3-cone. Can play anywhere from the 0/1 to the 9 tech. He and Easley would be the Collins/Hightower of the DL.

3(70-80, with a trade up from 96). Ali Marpet, OL, Hobart. 6'4" 307#. I think he'll be a long term starter at LG. Re-signing Connolly at low cost would provide a transition path.

3(97 - projected comp pick). If Gurley wasn't the pick at 32 I'd hope for someone like RB David Johnson or Jay Ajayi, though both could be gone. If Gurley was the pick I'd probably take the best available lineman.

4 (from TB). Trade back for a late 4th and a 5th.

4 (after trading back). Max Valles, EDGE, Virginia. 6'5" 251#. Raw, but with a great skill set to both place in space or on the line. If the Pats took an EDGE player in the 1st or early-mid 2nd round, then I'd consider a WR like Tre McBride or an OL.

4. Traded to move up in the 3rd round for Ali Marpet.

5 (after trading back). DeAndre Smelter, RB, Georgia Tech. 6'2" 222#. Will need a redshirt year after an ACL tear, but has day 1-2 talent.

6 (from TB). Ben Heeney, LB, Kansas. 6'0" 232#. 4.59 speed with a 6.68 3-cone and great instincts. Played for Charlie Weiss. Would be a long-term Casillas upgrade.

6 (projected comp). Best available DB.

7 (from Tenn). BPA.

That gives a team that looks roughly something like this (depending on the exact draft picks):

QB: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garroppolo
RB: Todd Gurley or a day 2 rookie RB, LeGarrette Blount, Pierre Thomas, James White, Jonas Gray, Tyler Gaffney, Dion Lewis
FB/H-Back: James Develin
WR: Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Brian Hartline, Aaron Dobson, Josh Boyce, Brian Tyms, possibly a rookie like Tre McBridge; DeAndre Smelter on PUP and probably IR
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Tim Wright, Lance Kendricks; maybe a rookie UDFA pick up
OL: Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Dan Connolly (unless upgraded to Clint Boling), Bryan Stork, Ryan Wendell, Ali Marpet, Marcus Cannon, Cameron Fleming, Josh Kline, Jordan Devey
DT: Sealver Siliga, Kenrick Ellis, Alan Branch, Dominique Easley, Marcus Hardison, Chris Jones
DE: Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Akeem Ayers (also LB), Max Valles (also LB), Michael Buchanan, Zach Moore
LB: Jerod Mayo Dont'a Hightower, Jamie Collins, [Jonathan Casillas], Ben Heeney, Darius Fleming, James Morris (also Akeem Ayers and Max Valles)
S: Devin McCourty, Pat Chung, Duron Harmon, Tavon Wilson, Nate Ebner
CB: Darrelle Revis, Brandon Browner, Kyle Arrington, Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Alfonzo Dennard/rookie

ST: Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Matt Slater, LS (Aiken, Ott, or someone else)

I think that would be a pretty competitive group, with competition and injury sorting out the final cutdowns.
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Some of the available options, like extending and adding dead money to a QB who will be 40 years old would just be stupid.

Let us know at the end of the summer/beginning of the football season when this happens....2 and a half years from now, which will be in August of 2017.
 
Assuming we cut Revis we are about $18M under the cap. There are plenty of other ways to free up an additional $10-15M or so ($8M could be freed up with Brady and Mayo restructuring, per Miguel, and about $3-4M by cutting Amendola with a post June 1 designation). I'm going to assume about $30M to work with from those 3 moves, as a starting point. Other moves that could free up even more money would include:

- A long term deal for Nate Solder.
- A long term deal for Stephen Gostkowski.
- Trading Alfonzo Dennard would save around $1M in cap space. He's in the last year of his rookie deal.
- Cutting Michael Hoomanawanui (would save around $1.2M).
- Small restructures for Kyle Arrington, Brandon Browner and Sebastian Vollmer.

Even without those moves, with $30M in 2015 cap space to start with the Pats could potentially do some of the following:

1. Re-sign Darrelle Revis (4 years/$60M, $20M signing bonus, $20M guaranteed). 2015 cap hit $10M.
2. Re-sign Devin McCourty (5 years/$40M, $10M signing bonus, $16M guaranteed). 2015 cap hit $5M.
3. Cut Danny Amendola and sign Brian Hartline for Brandon LaFell kind of money. 2015 cap hit about $2.5M.
4. Sign Pierre Thomas to replace Shane Vereen as the 3rd down back, Thomas' 2014 deal with NO was for 2 years/$4M. Say 2 years/$3M with some incentives. 2015 cap hit about $1.5M. Thomas and Hartline could probably both be squeezed into the cap savings from cutting Danny Amendola with a post-June 1 designation.
5. Re-sign Akeem Ayers. Say 3 years/$12M or 4 years/$16M. Roughly Kyle Arrington kind of money. 2015 cap hit about $3M. I think BB will value Ayers' versatility and usefulness as a rotional player at both DE and LB.
6. Re-sign Alan Branch. Say 2 years/$3M. 2015 cap hit of about $1.5M.
7. Sign UFA DT Kenrick Ellis (Jets). Say 3 years/$8M plus incentives. 2015 cap hit around $2.5M. Ellis was a VERY good run stopper on a rotational basis, and is only 27.
8. Sign UFA TE Lance Kendricks. Say 2 years/$3M. 2015 cap hit around $1M.

Those signings come to about $27M in 2015 cap space. That leaves about $3M left over as a reserve. I would like to squeeze in low-cost re-signings for Dan Connolly and Jonathan Casillas if possible, but I'll leave them off for now. Clint Boling would be a great acquisition, but I'm assuming he's too pricey for now, depending on what other cost-cutting moves the team makes.

The draft:

1(32). I'd take Todd Gurley if he's available. I'd also strongly consider EDGE Bud Dupree, EDGE Owamagbe Odighizuwa (possibly with a trade back), EDGE Danielle Hunter (with a traceback), OL Cameron Erving, OL TJ Clemmings, OL Jake Fisher (with a tradeback).

2(64). Marcus Hardison, DT/DE, Arizona St. 6'3" 307# with 4.84 speed and a 7.29 3-cone. Can play anywhere from the 0/1 to the 9 tech. He and Easley would be the Collins/Hightower of the DL.

3(70-80, with a trade up from 96). Ali Marpet, OL, Hobart. 6'4" 307#. I think he'll be a long term starter at LG. Re-signing Connolly at low cost would provide a transition path.

3(97 - projected comp pick). If Gurley wasn't the pick at 32 I'd hope for someone like RB David Johnson or Jay Ajayi, though both could be gone. If Gurley was the pick I'd probably take the best available lineman.

4 (from TB). Trade back for a late 4th and a 5th.

4 (after trading back). Max Valles, EDGE, Virginia. 6'5" 251#. Raw, but with a great skill set to both place in space or on the line. If the Pats took an EDGE player in the 1st or early-mid 2nd round, then I'd consider a WR like Tre McBride or an OL.

4. Traded to move up in the 3rd round for Ali Marpet.

5 (after trading back). DeAndre Smelter, RB, Georgia Tech. 6'2" 222#. Will need a redshirt year after an ACL tear, but has day 1-2 talent.

6 (from TB). Ben Heeney, LB, Kansas. 6'0" 232#. 4.59 speed with a 6.68 3-cone and great instincts. Played for Charlie Weiss. Would be a long-term Casillas upgrade.

6 (projected comp). Best available DB.

7 (from Tenn). BPA.

That gives a team that looks roughly something like this (depending on the exact draft picks):

QB: Tom Brady, Jimmy Garroppolo
RB: Todd Gurley or a day 2 rookie RB, LeGarrette Blount, Pierre Thomas, James White, Jonas Gray, Tyler Gaffney, Dion Lewis
FB/H-Back: James Develin
WR: Julian Edelman, Brandon LaFell, Brian Hartline, Aaron Dobson, Josh Boyce, Brian Tyms, possibly a rookie like Tre McBridge; DeAndre Smelter on PUP and probably IR
TE: Rob Gronkowski, Tim Wright, Lance Kendricks; maybe a rookie UDFA pick up
OL: Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Dan Connolly (unless upgraded to Clint Boling), Bryan Stork, Ryan Wendell, Ali Marpet, Marcus Cannon, Cameron Fleming, Josh Kline, Jordan Devey
DT: Sealver Siliga, Kenrick Ellis, Alan Branch, Dominique Easley, Marcus Hardison, Chris Jones
DE: Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Akeem Ayers (also LB), Max Valles (also LB), Michael Buchanan, Zach Moore
LB: Jerod Mayo Dont'a Hightower, Jamie Collins, [Jonathan Casillas], Ben Heeney, Darius Fleming, James Morris (also Akeem Ayers and Max Valles)
S: Devin McCourty, Pat Chung, Duron Harmon, Tavon Wilson, Nate Ebner
CB: Darrelle Revis, Brandon Browner, Kyle Arrington, Malcolm Butler, Logan Ryan, Alfonzo Dennard/rookie

ST: Stephen Gostkowski, Ryan Allen, Matt Slater, LS (Aiken, Ott, or someone else)

I think that would be a pretty competitive group, with competition and injury sorting out the final cutdowns.

I could live with this and be very happy. I doubt McCourty is coming back, but the rest of this is doable.
 
You think it's that simple to find 5 upgrades at positions in the draft like that?

It's possible but unlikely to have 5 first year players replace all of those guys instantly, especially Wilfork.

Im not talking about upgrading Brady, Revis and Gronk.
IMO Wilfork is not a first round talent anymore. So if we get a top 3 DT i think we will upgrade the position. ( I really like Wilforkjust saying that he is not in his prime anymore)
Connolly is not a 2nd round talent.
Devey is a 7th round talent at best...
Branch and Hooman are decent players and i like them to, but you can think similar player for less money.
So its possible to upgrade this group of players using the draft.
 
Im not talking about upgrading Brady, Revis and Gronk.
IMO Wilfork is not a first round talent anymore. So if we get a top 3 DT i think we will upgrade the position. ( I really like Wilforkjust saying that he is not in his prime anymore)
Connolly is not a 2nd round talent.
Devey is a 7th round talent at best...
Branch and Hooman are decent players and i like them to, but you can think similar player for less money.
So its possible to upgrade this group of players using the draft.
It is possible, but not likely. The problem here is you are only remembering draft picks that stick, not bust). There have been a lot of first round DT drafted in first round ( and the Patriots pick is more like an early second round pick) and many are not playing as well as Vince is right now. The same goes for Connolly in regard to early third round picks. You might get someone better, but you might not. It is close to a coin flip at best.
So, to improve on Wilfork, Connolly, Devey (Halapio didn't beat him out), Branch and Hooman - all in the same draft- you are expecting to flip heads 5 times in a row. Sure it can happen, but the odds are quite low.
 
Word is that Devin McCourty is looking for $9M per year, just like Jairus Byrd got from #Saints last year.
No Hometown discount ...
 
It is possible, but not likely. The problem here is you are only remembering draft picks that stick, not bust). There have been a lot of first round DT drafted in first round ( and the Patriots pick is more like an early second round pick) and many are not playing as well as Vince is right now. The same goes for Connolly in regard to early third round picks. You might get someone better, but you might not. It is close to a coin flip at best.
So, to improve on Wilfork, Connolly, Devey (Halapio didn't beat him out), Branch and Hooman - all in the same draft- you are expecting to flip heads 5 times in a row. Sure it can happen, but the odds are quite low.

Halapio must have done somthing really terrible. Devey is the only player i really dont like.
 
Trolling on a Sunday morning? What would God think.
Worship service is at 11, I've got ample time to troll. But He does think Ngata would be a very poor fit on the New England Patriots, which is why it will not happen.
 
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Im not talking about upgrading Brady, Revis and Gronk.
IMO Wilfork is not a first round talent anymore. So if we get a top 3 DT i think we will upgrade the position. ( I really like Wilforkjust saying that he is not in his prime anymore)
Connolly is not a 2nd round talent.
Devey is a 7th round talent at best...
Branch and Hooman are decent players and i like them to, but you can think similar player for less money.
So its possible to upgrade this group of players using the draft.

Whether someone is a 2nd round talent or not does not mean you can just replace them with a player drafted in the second round, have you seen some of our second round picks since 2009?

You'd be dead on if it was a swap of equal or greater talent based on what round a player is picked in, but it doesn't work that way.

Guys like Connolly are also team leaders, sometimes harder to replace than the talent alone.
 
Pats are supposedly going to look at mid tier WR free agents just like they did with Lafell. Who are some of these mid tier guys? Is Eddie royal Mid tier or is it more like Santana Moss?
 
Pats are supposedly going to look at mid tier WR free agents just like they did with Lafell.

Supposedly? By whom?

The Pats are in pretty good shape for receivers. Including Gronk in the group, they had a very productive year. Biggest need is a back up on the outside. I certainly don't think the Pats are looking to sit LaFell or Edleman when healthy.

3rd down back is a much higher need. If Vereen leaves, I could see the Pats taking two bites at that apple: a free agent and a draft pick.
 
must have been from this tweet

League source: #Patriots will be in the wide receiver market later in the week. Mid-level guys. Not Maclin or Torrey Smith.

Charles robinson

Harvin, crabtree ?
 
Yeah. I can just see the Hoody briefing Yahoo! Sports on his plans for free agency shopping down the road. Can't you? :)
 
Whether someone is a 2nd round talent or not does not mean you can just replace them with a player drafted in the second round, have you seen some of our second round picks since 2009?

You'd be dead on if it was a swap of equal or greater talent based on what round a player is picked in, but it doesn't work that way.

Guys like Connolly are also team leaders, sometimes harder to replace than the talent alone.

Since 2009:

First Round: Dmac Elite - Hightower Elite - Solder Very good - Jones Great

Second Round - Gronk Elite - Chung Good -Collins Elite - Vollmer Elite

Arent u happy?

6 years - 8 guys
 
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Crabtree...Harvin....Hartline (ugh)
 
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