Sign the Beast VIII: Patriots interested in WR Brian Hartline

Gronkowski123 said:

i dont care if amendola's released. hartline/someone else can match his production of 200 yards.
that unknown player will also be much cheaper

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Much cheaper? The Pats take a $3.6 million dead money cap charge if they release Amendola. If they keep him with no rework, the cap hit is $5.7 million. Do you really think you can replace Amendola in the free agent market for $2.1 million? You're certainly not getting Hartline for $2.1 million. You would have to go with a rookie or a one year rental on an AARP wide receiver to "save money" by cutting Amendola.

A much better scenario is to convert some of Amendola's salary into NLTBE incentive bonuses. You could actually save cap space, keep a productive veteran receiver, and, if he has a big year, you don't mind the extra cap hit from the bonuses.

From Amendola's standpoint, a reasonable haircut from the Pats might be more attractive than getting cut in a market that has a glut of WRs.

I think there's a win/win deal to be had. A $1 million cut, with the ability for Amendola to earn it all back in NLTBE bonus would be good for the Pats.

I don't think anyone is happy that Amendola hasn't played up to his contract and had more production. The question is where do you go from here? It's not that he's a bad player or not useful (even as an Edelman backup) in our offense. It's a contract issue.

Brady6 said:

If Amendola is as great as some people on this board like to suggest I cannot understand why he would restructure and take a pay cut? Heck reading this board over the past month the guy should probably hold out and demand more money.

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1. Not one person on this forum thinks DA should stay at current salary
2. You are now claiming "some people" think he is so great that maybe he should ask for more money.

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Ivan said:

Show us those posts?

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Shoo

hwc said:

Much cheaper? The Pats take a $3.6 million dead money cap charge if they release Amendola. If they keep him with no rework, the cap hit is $5.7 million. Do you really think you can replace Amendola in the free agent market for $2.1 million? You're certainly not getting Hartline for $2.1 million. You would have to go with a rookie or a one year rental on an AARP wide receiver to "save money" by cutting Amendola.

A much better scenario is to convert some of Amendola's salary into NLTBE incentive bonuses. You could actually save cap space, keep a productive veteran receiver, and, if he has a big year, you don't mind the extra cap hit from the bonuses.

From Amendola's standpoint, a reasonable haircut from the Pats might be more attractive than getting cut in a market that has a glut of WRs.

I think there's a win/win deal to be had. A $1 million cut, with the ability for Amendola to earn it all back in NLTBE bonus would be good for the Pats.

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Hopefully this will finally shut up the DA sucks only got 200 yards clowns.

BradyManny said:

People severely underestimate how much the success of a deep game is on the receivers involved.

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I totally agree with you. It is not simply about speed, but also about tracking the ball in the air deep, and that is something pats receivers are not good at, and why the vertical game for pats looks bad.

BradyManny said:

That would be a tall task - LaFell was pretty good this year. He & Brady's chemistry seemed to improve as the year went on, especially in the red zone. Obviously, adding a guy like Hartline doesn't necessarily mess up things, but I'd love to see what Brady can do with the same set of [adequate] weapons two years in a row, and would rank our WR need low.

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Me too, but I do see where the interest is coming from. His profile is very similar to LaFell's last year: a tall WR with middling speed who blocks well on the outside, but whose FA value is held back by having merely decent production in a bad offense that didn't utilize him well. If you compare Hartline now vs. LaFell last year and the assorted question marks that surrounded him when he was signed, there are more similarities than differences.

I don't think the Pats should break the bank for Hartline by a long shot, since he'd basically just be another guy giving them what they already have in LaFell. But if they can get him at a reasonable price to provide insurance against a LaFell injury and overall competition in the WR group, that would make sense to me. Longer term, I could even see him potentially beating out LaFell, since at the core of it I think that Hartline is the better receiver of the two.

They're actually really good comps for each other, IMO. Hartline is a slightly faster, slightly lighter, slightly more athletic LaFell, and with better hands. Overall, their strengths and weaknesses are pretty similar.

Brady6 said:

Shoo

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Why Shoo? Its a legitimate question. Who here is saying DA is so great he is not even worth current salary but perhaps ever more?

You are the strawman king. I have never seen anything like it. You are like the Manchurian Candidate with Danny Amendola being your trigger word.

Bruins29 said:

1. Not one person on this forum thinks DA should stay at current salary
2. You are now claiming "some people" think he is so great that maybe he should ask for more money.

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He should be cut, end of story, today one of the all time great patriots was cut despite coming off a productive season because of money, Amendola should not be here unless he is willing to play for $1M a season because even if you cut his salary in half you still have to shell out $2.25M in new money in addition to his sunk cost cap hit. There is no way around it, the guy has already committed robbery for the money he got the past 2 years, it's time for him to take is under 10 yards per catch career average elsewhere.

Please no.

No way he beats out LaFell. Hartline is average at best. If he was that good, why Phins let him go? Overpaid for his skills.

The guy is begging to go to the Patriots. Why? Because he sees average players "reviving" their careers with the Patriots.

Bruins29 said:

Why Shoo? Its a legitimate question. Who here is saying DA is so great he is not even worth current salary but perhaps ever more?

You are the strawman king. I have never seen anything like it. You are like the Manchurian Candidate with Danny Amendola being your trigger word.

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Bro you spend 12-15 hours a day on this board defending and advocating for Amendola, clearly you don't have to say it, your actions speak for themselves.

I told Ivan shoo because he is on my ignore list but tapatalk doesn't recognize ignore lists so I'm forced to see his dramatic tear drop provoking posts.

Brady6 said:

He should be cut, end of story, today one of the all time great patriots was cut despite coming off a productive season because of money, Amendola should not be here unless he is willing to play for $1M a season because even if you cut his salary in half you still have to shell out $2.25M in new money in addition to his sunk cost cap hit. There is no way around it, the guy has already committed robbery for the money he got the past 2 years, it's time for him to take is under 10 yards per catch career average elsewhere.

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Ok if you say so

OhExaulted1 said:

Edelman, Gronk, Lafell, Wright and Amendola are all under contract. I'm really hoping we reatain Vereen. Those players combined accounted for 97% of the receptions last year. Are we going to throw ball 800 times next season or something?

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The Pats reprogram the offense every year. The other teams have all offseason to breakdown film with a fine tooth comb and figure out tendencies. In 2002, Marty Schottenhiemer figured out that Brady was less effective if you got him to move off his spot.

The 2015 NE offense be different than the 2014 NE offense.

I can see Wright and Almendola gone. Maybe even Vereen and new faces with different skill sets running a NE offensive scheme with a different twist.

Brady6 said:

Bro you spend 12-15 hours a day on this board defending and advocating for Amendola, clearly you don't have to say it, your actions speak for themselves.

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No, you make up ******** and create strawmen and claim people said things that nobody did so that you can continue your jihad in every thread

Brady6 said:

Bro you spend 12-15 hours a day on this board defending and advocating for Amendola, clearly you don't have to say it, your actions speak for themselves.

I told Ivan shoo because he is on my ignore list but tapatalk doesn't recognize ignore lists so I'm forced to see his dramatic tear drop provoking posts.

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I see. So nobody has insulted you. But you feel the need to be disrespectful to him, then me, then throw another shot at him again.

SOS

Brady6 said:

Shoo

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I knew you wouldn't because you can't. The posts don't exist, it's just your strawman argument to justify your 8,000,0000 rant against Amendola.

So once again, let's see those posts raving about Amendola?

Bruins29 said:

No, you make up ******** and create strawmen and claim people said things that nobody did so that you can continue your jihad in every thread

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I have a jihad against stupidity, I can't stand it sorry. When it comes to Amendola you and your Amendola amigos spew more stupidity on this board than Gronkowski drinks beers.

Bruins29 said:

I see. So nobody has insulted you. But you feel the need to be disrespectful to him, then me, then throw another shot at him again.

SOS

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I don't like him and I have made that clear for 2 years yet he continues to quote my posts. SOS? Is that the Amendola gang sign?

Why the hell do you respond to Brady6? other posters are getting tired of every thread being hijacked into a Amendola sucks thread. Just let him howl at the moon on this topic.

Brady6 said:

I have a jihad against stupidity, I can't stand it sorry. When it comes to Amendola you and your Amendola amigos spew more stupidity on this board than Gronkowski drinks beers.

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Funny, you are never able to point out that stupidity though. Its some made up thing from the demons in your head and the little voices you hear repeating over and over danny amendole, danny amendola, danny amendola.

You cant even post any facts on anything that has to do with him except strawman ********.

Brady6 said:

He should be cut, end of story, today one of the all time great patriots was cut despite coming off a productive season because of money, Amendola should not be here unless he is willing to play for $1M a season because even if you cut his salary in half you still have to shell out $2.25M in new money in addition to his sunk cost cap hit. There is no way around it, the guy has already committed robbery for the money he got the past 2 years, it's time for him to take is under 10 yards per catch career average elsewhere.

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One of the all time great Patriots was cut because it saved $8M. Cutting Amendola would save a fraction of that. You keep throwing around the term sunk cost, but I don't think you know what it means. If you did, you wouldn't keep bringing up the money that he already got over the past two years, because it's a sunk cost and therefore irrelevant going forward.

The guy was hurt. Oh well. All that matters now is if you can replace his production this year for less than $2M. If you think you can, you go ahead and cut him. If not, you keep him and reevaluate next year.