Patriots decline option on Wilfork - Vince is a free agent

KontradictioN said:

So basically, you just really don't want to see Wilfork sign with the Colts. You could have just admitted that instead of reaching for an argument that surely you know is a crap one.

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I really don't care if the Colts get Wilfork (well, I don't want to see him play for any team other than the Pats, but other than that I don't care). They are still a soft team. He isn't going to change that by himself and I have total faith in Ryan Grigson to blow his draft and free agency. The Colts cannot put together a good team to go around Luck. And if they were not lucky enough to have Luck, no one would be talking about them as a top team in the AFC.

And I am not reaching for an argument at all. And maybe you shouldn't be talking about reaching for arguments when you started comparing 40 times for DTs to judge how fast they play the position. Ngata plays a hell of a lot faster than Wilfork no matter what their 40 times say (just for the record, I would still rather have Wilfork in his prime than Ngata at his prime, but Ngata was far faster).

If this is it then thank you Vince. For everything.

Sad to see him go He will be missed.

ChrisR2223 said:

Its a little worrisome that the Bills just got Shady and we release our best run defender.
Is there a Wilfork in this draft?
Is there anyone on the roster that can be a beast and hold up two lineman yet stay in his gap?

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Siliga is no Vince but is a beast in his own right. He played well last year when Vince was hurt and he played through injury down the stretch this year and contributed. He is great in the locker room too.

Siliga and Easley leave us in a decent place.

As we don't know what Easley is fully capable of someone else will be brought in maybe even a return of Vince.

DaBruinz said:

Except that they haven't asked him every year for a pay cut. In fact, I think you'll find the Pats only asked Wilfork to take a pay cut once.. This past year when he was coming back from injury.. And even then, they made it so he could earn the money back.

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I agree with you. My poor english does not help me.
I mean if they ask him for a pay cut last year is ok. Cut him and than resign him for less money is like a pay cut. And if the next contract, assuming that there will be a new contract with NE is like the last one they will cut him again. I just hope that contract next contract is affordable. I want him to be a lock next year, i dont want Vince to be first option to clear some cap space.

great player wish him the best of luck were ever he signs

FreeTedWilliams said:

I wouldn't close the door on Vince coming back just yet. I think we all knew that the pats were not going to pay him the 4.5 million dollar bonus that was in his contract. But he has a lot of ties here, he has commercial endorsements, and his kids are deep into the school system. I can see him coming back on a smaller contract. Nobody is going to give him the 8 million he was on the books for. I bet the Pats were straight with him and told him to at least give them a shot to match his best offer.

The only monkey wrench would be Miami, which might be tempting for Vince.

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There is precedent for this. Same thing happened with Troy Brown. He was cut, resigned and played for two more years.

ChrisR2223 said:

Its a little worrisome that the Bills just got Shady and we release our best run defender.
Is there a Wilfork in this draft?
Is there anyone on the roster that can be a beast and hold up two lineman yet stay in his gap?

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Not one who will be there when the Pats pick.. though the Pats do have some ammunition to trade up by having the Buccaneer's 4th round pick..

Jax and the Raiders will probably sign him asap...they have the cap space. It would kill me to see him on the bills or colts.

While I'll certainly miss Vince, who will always be one of the all-time great Patriots, the realities of the salary cap made his release a necessary evil. Revis and McCourty are larger priorities in the larger scheme of things. It would be nice to see him back at a more cap-friendly number, but he may have suitors out there.

patsinthesnow said:

Bad contracts remaining:

Mayo
Amendola
Arrington (to an extent, he's such a vital cog in beating the Colts that he's probably worth it)
Dennard
Hooman

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Not sure how Hooman's contract is a "bad one".
Not sure how Dennard's contract is a "bad one".

A bad contract is one where the player sucks and cutting him is cost prohibitive. That is not the case with either of the two you mentioned. In fact, it makes sense for the Pats to keep them through TC because of the little cost it would be to cut them at the end, but still free up money.


The days of 250K salaries is gone.

Rob0729 said:

Pagano wasn't shopping for the groceries in Baltimore.

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You say this as if you were actually in the war room and know that Pagano had no input but, from a lot of the reports I have heard, most teams will consult with the coordinator on that side of the ball before pulling the trigger on a draft pick. Especially if said big body will help the run defense and keep opposing guards off their HOF LB's. You're stretching here.

Are judging 40 times for speed at DT? Ngata is a faster penetrator than Vince. You don't judge speed at DT based on on fast they run a 40 yard dash, you judge them on how fast they get off the line.

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Not really. A Ngata had quite a bit of two gap responsibilities with the Ravens as well so the two are very comparable. But, as I said, this is basically a red herring that you're tossing in here because you're aware that you're argument is lacking, at best. You stated that Pagano would not go after a big body because the Colts have traditionally had smaller DT's. I gave you an example of the Ravens (two actually) while pointing out that Pagano, for the most part, walked into that problem.

And the personnel decisions in Indy whether it is Pagano or Grigson, they make very few good personnel decisions. You take away Andrew Luck and put them in a more competitive division and they are probably a 5-6 win team. There is very little talent on that team and Pagano and Grigson have had three years to shape that team in their image. Again, if signing Wilfork is the smart move, they are likely not to make it.

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This is another red herring that has very little to do with whether or not they'll sign a big body to fix their run defense. But, like you, I really don't want to see Big Vince with a horse shoe on his helmet.

thecore762 said:

Jax and the Raiders will probably sign him asap...they have the cap space. It would kill me to see him on the bills or colts.

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My guess is Vince will want to play for a team that wants to compete in 2015 and not two or three years down the road. I am actually betting Denver goes after him. They are going to lose Pot Roast and they will need to replace him with a cheaper option. Their window with Manning is this upcoming year. So Wilfork's age isn't an issue.

KontradictioN said:

You say this as if you were actually in the war room and know that Pagano had no input but, from a lot of the reports I have heard, most teams will consult with the coordinator on that side of the ball before pulling the trigger on a draft pick. Especially if said big body will help the run defense and keep opposing guards off their HOF LB's. You're stretching here.

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Pagano was the secondary coach in 2010 when Cody was drafted. Why would the secondary coach have input on drafting a DT? I can say with a lot of certainty that he had little to no input on the drafting on Cody. Pagano wasn't the DC until 2011.

Not really. A Ngata had quite a bit of two gap responsibilities with the Ravens as well so the two are very comparable. But, as I said, this is basically a red herring that you're tossing in here because you're aware that you're argument is lacking, at best. You stated that Pagano would not go after a big body because the Colts have traditionally had smaller DT's. I gave you an example of the Ravens (two actually) while pointing out that Pagano, for the most part, walked into that problem.

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40 times have nothing to do with a DT quickness. Their speed is judged mostly on how fast they get off the line (or in the first yard), not how fast they run down the field.

And you gave examples of two DTs that Pagano had nothing to do with.

This is another red herring that has very little to do with whether or not they'll sign a big body to fix their run defense. But, like you, I really don't want to see Big Vince with a horse shoe on his helmet.

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It isn't a red herring. You said Pagano was smart and would make the smart decision on his personnel and I am pointing out that he has three years worth of evidence that shows the opposite.

I think it is a moot point because I think Denver is more likely to grab him because they have more short term goals and just as much of need for Vince's services.

Rob0729 said:

My guess is Vince will want to play for a team that wants to compete. I am actually betting Denver goes after him. They are going to lose Pot Roast and they will need to replace him with a cheaper option. Their window with Manning is this upcoming year. So Wilfork's age isn't an issue.

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I don't see Wilfork going far......I could see the Giants parking him next to Hankins.....I doubt you will see him go to someone like the colts or the broncos

robertweathers said:

You never know. BB let Troy Brown test the market. He received offers from the Saints and Jets and still came back here. I can happen.

Sounds like he left on good terms. I assume that the door is open- for a the right price.

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Troy got the Dunkin Donut contract IIRC. Big donut got to step up for Big Vince!

IllegalContact said:

I don't see Wilfork going far......I could see the Giants parking him next to Hankins.....I doubt you will see him go to someone like the colts or the broncos

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I agree with the Colts. I think the Broncos are in play. Vince knows his window is very short. He will want to be paid, but he also wants to compete for a championship. I don't think the Giants are going to be a competitor.

EDIT: The only way I see the Broncos not in play is because they have so many other free agents to deal with themselves. But if they can get Vince relatively cheap, they definitely will be in play.

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thecore762 said:

Jax and the Raiders will probably sign him asap...they have the cap space. It would kill me to see him on the bills or colts.

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Jax and Raides? Vince wont answer the phone...

Well theres the money to sign mccourty. I'lll belive VW is gone when he signs with another team or retires.

Sucks to see him go but with our cap I expected something to happen with Vince. He just wasn't worth the money we were going to pay him. He was the heart of the defense for quite some time and I will miss him. I have no ill will against Vince and hope he succeeds wherever he goes.