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Why do players care if they make say 8 million or 12 million?


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All I want to say: what a given player takes for a contract should be a function of more than just money, and that is a very reasonable thing. What part of that do you argue with?

Some players make the mistake of not considering other factors.

the problem is that the teams don't allow most contracts to ever see the end........players should take what they can because the teams won't hesitate to cut them loose
 
No one is saying this at all.
Never mind him, he lacks pre-frontal cortex-enabled discernment capabilities. Remember, he equates money with God.
 
If someone wants to pay for all of their great, great grandkids' college education and graduate degrees, who are we to say how little they should take care of their families.
 
No, because they don't, or VERY RARELY do.

Yes they do over 90% give to charity, probably close to 100%. 10% of the wealthiest Americans donate far more (about double) than the other 90%.
Other than tithing to churches, which is a business arrangement (Mormons, Scientology, many mega-churches, etc.) more than a charitable arrangement, you'd be very hard-pressed to find wealthy people doing something like you describe.

Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Zuckerburg, Koch's and I haven't even started on the billionaires, then there's the millionaires. I don't know how giving to a church is a business arrangement, but it does not make up any where near most charitable money. And that money also goes to charity.
And "charity" is a funny term....when the heads of non-profits take 500k-2m +, such a donation is a hill o' beans.

Yeah, well I found a guy to run my charity for five dollars a month, so far we've generated 20 dollars. Maybe we should get the guy who generates hundreds of millions for the Red Cross.
A lot of athletes front charities because they can deduct their time/signed merchandise at outrageous rates - on the net, they hugely profit from their "charities."
This is just demagoguery. Do you have a link, what you're describing is a crime.
But yeah, I'll agree in principle to what you said: If an athlete went to a team paying 10m instead of 9m and gave that extra to worthy charities, it'd be a big deal. Of course, said athlete could have afforded such a gift before moving to the higher bidder anyway.
So should he leave the money in the owners pocket?
 
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that's not true.......money exists

Another foolish statement. Our fiat currency system is an illusion based on commonly held misconceptions. It is inherently valueless paper (or digitized representation) with absolutely no government-assured promissory backing. One day you will wake up to news that your entire portfolio and bank holdings have gone "poof" because the dollar no longer is the world's reserve currency and the feds have defaulted on the national debt. Then YOUR god will be dead.

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I am visiting from my ski bungalo atop Vail's Misty Titty mountain, where only three people are allowed to ski a day.

Please be patient with me as I must set down my delicate elephant-tusk china brimming with manatee-eye tea before answering this commoner. I had to un-don my monocle, as I did not believe my eye upon reading this post.

Who could want more than 8 million? How about anyone who wants to have a standard of living worth having? You must know that eight million is still just white trash. Maybe once you hit 8 billion, then you might start to think about giving some money to those less fortunate, fly buzzing around distended belly families that make less than a million a year.

I find the tone of this thread offensive, as it is asking people to settle for less, to settle for squalor, to settle for living a life among those jean-wearing beer-swilling go-nowherenicks that aren't fit to look upon my precious gold-infused feces, much less be in the same room as me.

So my answer to the question of why they care? Because they don't want to be part of the common rabble.

Please Jeeves, lift me out of this sewage hole back to the upper crust of Misty Titty where we belong.

Omfg I just spit up my drink reading that lol! Well done sir
 
Another foolish statement. Our fiat currency system is an illusion based on commonly held misconceptions. It is inherently valueless paper (or digitized representation) with absolutely no government-assured promissory backing. One day you will wake up to news that your entire portfolio and bank holdings have gone "poof" because the dollar no longer is the world's reserve currency and the feds have defaulted on the national debt. Then YOUR god will be dead.

cool! it'll just make my triple deckers more valuable

in the meantime........money still exists and I don't have a god
 
the problem is that the teams don't allow most contracts to ever see the end........players should take what they can because the teams won't hesitate to cut them loose

I'm not denying this is a factor. I've said as much. But if you apply it blindly as a rule, you end up potentially making a poor decision.
 
Another foolish statement. Our fiat currency system is an illusion based on commonly held misconceptions. It is inherently valueless paper (or digitized representation) with absolutely no government-assured promissory backing. One day you will wake up to news that your entire portfolio and bank holdings have gone "poof" because the dollar no longer is the world's reserve currency and the feds have defaulted on the national debt. Then YOUR god will be dead.

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This, on top of the news that our entire secondary left via free agency last week, has ruined my life. As long as my money still works, I need to go buy a gun and a single bullet.

"THE SKy is fal l i i i i n g !"
 
cool! it'll just make my triple deckers more valuable
Yeah, well, folks who normally might be lining up to buy your fancy club sandwiches won't have any money either.
 
Yes they do over 90% give to charity, probably close to 100%. 10% of the wealthiest Americans donate far more (about double) than the other 90%.

In real dollars, sure. %-wise, no they don't, with the rare exceptions of people like Gates. And that's an entirely different stratosphere of wealth. When you start talking 100+-worth millionaires and billionaires, you're way, way, way, way beyond the scope of someone making a few million.

They also do it to buy power. The Koch Foundation "charitably" gives to many universities, then influences the science departments in such universities to shy away from issues like AGCC. They charitably will back the research of a guy like Soon...it's self-serving, just like giving to a political candidate who promises to keep tax breaks in place saves them more money than it costs.

I'm not being completely cynical here and I'm no Ayn Randian for sure, but your perception of the beneficent wealthy class is not my experience at all. Sure, when you're old and worth hundreds of millions, you go put your name on a new library or building at the Groton School.

Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Zuckerburg, Koch's and I haven't even started on the billionaires, then there's the millionaires. I don't know how giving to a church is a business arrangement, but it does not make up any where near most charitable money. And that money also goes to charity.

Many church's are most certainly business arrangements for participants, the two I specifically mentioned being the most obvious examples. Being part of the elite in such organizations opens massive business opportunities which would otherwise be denied. Same is true of 7th-day Adventists, who for years have brought up people from South America, convinced them that with God, they don't need money, then put them to work in their businesses for a fraction of what similarly skilled labor would cost.

Yeah, well I found a guy to run my charity for five dollars a month, so far we've generated 20 dollars. Maybe we should get the guy who generates hundreds of millions for the Red Cross.

Great for your charity - again, apples to oranges. Charlie Baker was pulling in a cool 2 million running the non-profit Harvard-Pilgrim. The head of NOW makes in excess of $500. You aren't going to give a million dollars to a local food pantry. I'm not saying good work can't be done, but again, apples and oranges grow on different trees.

This is just demagoguery. Do you have a link, what you're describing is a crime.

No, this is well-document truth.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9125446/rethink-giving-athlete-charities

I've seen it first-hand, and was offered such a deal, where my signatures would be assigned a value that would become tax-deductible. It was ridiculous. You can put a value on your time and deduct that, too.

So should he leave the money in the owners pocket?

Don't know that I ever said. Don't know what the heck you're talking about. The NFL has a hard cap. The more one player takes, the less is left to make a championship team.
 
I agree with those saying the difference of a million or so can be made up for by enjoying your environment and being content with your job/co-workers. There really is not much of a life style difference in the long run at that kind of money. When that gets up to 4 million though there is a huge difference in lifestyle possibilities and players would be stupid not to take it.
As an example I expect the patriots to offer McCourty 7.5-8 million a year. I will be pissed if he signs somewhere else for 8.5-9 a year as I think the winning culture where he is a respected leader should matter to him more and based on everything I have been hearing from him it does. Now if some idiot team (Colts come to mind) offer him 11-12 a year I would say best of luck Devon and thank you for your years of being a pat. Enjoy getting run over in the playoffs.
I love the pats and would take an even lower deal to help them win but I was born and raised in NE with a family who is all about football. Most NFL players are not like that and I get it and do not begrudge them getting paid the most they can. As a side note it's impossible to not think of Tom Brady as anything other then a patriot but growing up he was a die-hard 49ers fan. How would you handle being drafted by any other team then the one that has had your heart for years? Is there any dollar amount that would make up for that? Though I suppose if my choice was to not play football at all....
 
I admire players who are willing to forgo a few dollars to stay with the team they love, but I would never condemn a player who chases after the cash.

I have no problems with players chasing after the cash (and going from $8mil to $12mil is a meaningful increase) so long as they don't insult my intelligence when they talk about it. Own the damned decision. The ones I ridicule and condemn are the ones who do stuff like saying "I want to play for a winner" and then go on to sign a big contract to play for a tire fire of a team.

Now, I will admit I don't understand it when something happens like a player taking a $12 mil contract to play for a tire fire team and turning down an $11 mil contract to stay with the every-year contender they've played most of their career for.
 
Declining utility? Really? 1 million dollars is a million dollars. Maybe the player even donates it to charity....it still is a million dollars.

Yes, really. Google on "diminishing marginal utility of wealth" and/or "diminishing marginal utility of income".

It's a well-understood concept that economists and social scientists have discussed for decades if not centuries.
 
"Why do people in the business world care if they make say, $80,000 or $120,000" -some dirt farmer in Kenya.

It's all relative. The morality doesn't change because of the number of digits to the left of the decimal sign.

Come'On, let's leave Obama out of this discussioin
 
Taxes on 12 million: 4.2 million

Taxes on 8 million: 2.4 million
 
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