Why have we heard nothing about Wilfork?

VectorPrime · Mar 4, 2015

Our track record at drafting defensive backs is so bad I dont want to see it.

kennyb · Mar 4, 2015

Butler dennard browner can play cb. Losing Revis is big but they will persevere.

slash83 · Mar 4, 2015

kennyb said:
Butler dennard browner can play cb. Losing Revis is big but they will persevere.

I can play cb too, don't mean I should be.

hwc · Mar 4, 2015

supafly said:
Do you really see any halfway decent alternatives out there on the free agency market at the position of CB? I don't.

The pickings are rather slim this year in my opinion. If Revis walks they will likely have to address it via the draft, along with the players that we already have on our team.

Fortunately, I think the Pats will end up doing a long term deal with Revis, so I really haven't given any thought to Plan B.

I think both Revis and the Pats want to do a deal. I think both Revis and the Pats are rational respectful negotiators. I can't see why they couldn't reach a win/win result. I continue to view the complete radio silence as a positive sign.

thecore762 · Mar 4, 2015

I like Wilfork, but I do not see him having another year left in him, his weight and age is becoming a liability, he doesn't generate enough cloggage in the middle and he can't run. We need to draft a strong and athletic defensive tackle in this draft that can play in the middle and generate pass rush.

I rather resign Revis and McCourty on defensive, we need these two our our secondary will start sucking again like the previous years and that would suck in the playoffs.

Brady6 · Mar 4, 2015

slash83 said:
I can play cb too, don't mean I should be.

Honestly if you look at the actual road to the playoffs Revis was not a huge factor in the 3 playoff games. With the exception of Hilton who was covered by Arrington in the AFCCG there were not any elite #1 WR that Revis covered 1on1 and took out of the game.

That aside I think Revis is significant and think he needs to be brought back I'm just not willing to do so at the expense of 4-5 starter/key players. He has to take a contract that allows this team to field a super bowl caliber roster otherwise I don't want him here. That is how I feel about all the players they can be paid fair market value but if they are expecting to get paid at a level that is detrimental to the over all good of the team I do not want them here.

slash83 · Mar 4, 2015

Brady6 said:
Honestly if you look at the actual road to the playoffs Revis was not a huge factor in the 3 playoff games. With the exception of Hilton who was covered by Arrington in the AFCCG there were not any elite #1 WR that Revis covered 1on1 and took out of the game.

That aside I think Revis is significant and think he needs to be brought back I'm just not willing to do so at the expense of 4-5 starter/key players. He has to take a contract that allows this team to field a super bowl caliber roster otherwise I don't want him here. That is how I feel about all the players they can be paid fair market value but if they are expecting to get paid at a level that is detrimental to the over all good of the team I do not want them here.

Revis allowed BB to play defense and dictate coverages the way he hasn't been able to since Law was here. Revis allowed BB to put Arrington on TY with DMac playing over the top. BB trusted Revis would completely make his WR non existent. To say he wasn't a big factor is mind boggling to me.

RobertWeathers · Mar 4, 2015

hwc said:
Fortunately, I think the Pats will end up doing a long term deal with Revis, so I really haven't given any thought to Plan B.

I think both Revis and the Pats want to do a deal. I think both Revis and the Pats are rational respectful negotiators. I can't see why they couldn't reach a win/win result. I continue to view the complete radio silence as a positive sign.

It won't be THAT long term of a deal.

Revis will be 30 at the start of TC. The deal may be a 4 year deal on paper but will essentially be a "straight-cash homey" 2 year deal.

Ivan · Mar 4, 2015

kennyb said:
Butler dennard browner can play cb. Losing Revis is big but they will persevere.

When did they lose Revis?

Ross12 · Mar 4, 2015

Miguel said:
A player can do more than one restructure in an year as long as the second one does not increase that year's cap number. See Richard Seymour

Thanks for the correction Miguel! I did not know that one.

hwc · Mar 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
It won't be THAT long term of a deal.

Revis will be 30 at the start of TC. The deal may be a 4 year deal on paper but will essentially be a "straight-cash homey" 2 year deal.

I don't agree with that at all. A straight 2 year deal is not really in Revis' best interest. I expect a 4 year deal, one with protections for the team if Revis should hit a wall, but one that would reasonably envision Revis playing for four more years in New England. I think the actual term could be five years, but that gets into fake years at the end for cap and appearances.

Revis will never have as much leverage as he does right now. Why would he want a tw0-year deal?

RobertWeathers · Mar 4, 2015

hwc said:
I don't agree with that at all. A straight 2 year deal is not really in Revis' best interest. I expect a 4 year deal, one with protections for the team if Revis should hit a wall, but one that would reasonably envision Revis playing for four more years in New England. I think the actual term could be five years, but that gets into fake years at the end for cap and appearances.

Revis will never have as much leverage as he does right now. Why would he want a tw0-year deal?

We are saying the same thing. 4 year deal but the big money is seen in the first two years of the deal.

I think the Pats would rather front-load the deal based on what they project his production to be but protect themselves (cap hit and cash outlay) when he gets beyond 32 years old. Revis would agree that historically 33 year old CBs are not all-pros. In addition you can count on zero fingers the number of players that pats have paid $10m for a players at 33 years old that is not named Brady.

If you told Revis that as long as he played at a 2014 level he was guaranteed ~$33m over the next two years he'd be happy.

RobertWeathers · Mar 4, 2015

For those "Save Vince or the run D is doomed" people..

From ESPN Insider...

On the runs where the interior line should matter the most, however, the Patriots were the worst team in the NFL. They ranked dead last in power success, stopping opposing teams in important short-yardage situations just five out of 27 times (19 percent). Across all third-and-short situations (1 to 2 yards to go), the Patriots ranked last in DVOA (defense-adjusted value over average). The Patriots need to upgrade at tackle, and the need grows larger if aging Good Samaritan Vince Wilfork becomes a salary-cap casualty.

Ivan · Mar 4, 2015

robertweathers said:
For those "Save Vince or the run D is doomed" people..

From ESPN Insider...

Who is saying that? I'm one of the biggest Wilfork supporters here and even I think he has to restructure to 4-5 million to be around next season. I literally haven't seen one person saying they are doomed if they lose him.

BradyFTW! · Mar 4, 2015

Brady6 said:
Honestly if you look at the actual road to the playoffs Revis was not a huge factor in the 3 playoff games. With the exception of Hilton who was covered by Arrington in the AFCCG there were not any elite #1 WR that Revis covered 1on1 and took out of the game.

That aside I think Revis is significant and think he needs to be brought back I'm just not willing to do so at the expense of 4-5 starter/key players. He has to take a contract that allows this team to field a super bowl caliber roster otherwise I don't want him here. That is how I feel about all the players they can be paid fair market value but if they are expecting to get paid at a level that is detrimental to the over all good of the team I do not want them here.

That's not really how defense works, nothing happens in a vacuum. Revis eliminating half of the field is what gave the Pats enough resources to stop other elements of the offense.

Brady6 · Mar 4, 2015

BradyFTW! said:
That's not really how defense works, nothing happens in a vacuum. Revis eliminating half of the field is what gave the Pats enough resources to stop other elements of the offense.

First, this “half the field” nonsense that people always suggest is just that nonsense, on most offensive passing plays there will be 4-5 receiving targets, Revis eliminated 1 of them, not any of them that go to his side of the field. Therefore, if you want to say he eliminated anything it would 20-25% of the field. Second, if that 1 player is not a top tier WR he is not necessarily essential to the other team’s success or if he is not that good do you need a player of Revis’s caliber to defend him.

I want Revis back as bad as anyone but in this current NFL there are spread offenses and rules that prevent CBs from having the impact that they once did.

Brady6 · Mar 4, 2015

slash83 said:
Revis allowed BB to play defense and dictate coverages the way he hasn't been able to since Law was here. Revis allowed BB to put Arrington on TY with DMac playing over the top. BB trusted Revis would completely make his WR non existent. To say he wasn't a big factor is mind boggling to me.

Belichick has been shutting down Hilton and Luck for years long before Revis entered the equation. Belichick has shut down the other teams top offensive weapon with Sterling Moore before. Revis is always a factor but can you really sit here and say we would not have won the Super Bowl if not for Revis? I cannot, had we been forced to play Green Bay then yeah he would have been key but against a team with no true #1 WR he is just covering 1 of 4-5 potential targets.

Patriots1364life · Mar 4, 2015

No we would not have won the superbowl if it wasnt for revis. Are u kidding me? Revis is important and needs to be brung back.

Patriots1364life · Mar 4, 2015

I just dont wanna have visions of another leaky secondary. They already have issues getting to the qb.

RobertWeathers · Mar 4, 2015

Ivan said:
Who is saying that? I'm one of the biggest Wilfork supporters here and even I think he has to restructure to 4-5 million to be around next season. I literally haven't seen one person saying they are doomed if they lose him.

There are those on this board who feel the run D goes in the tank if Vince walks.

Everyone wants Vince back. Some are ok with his current contract. Others feel he needs to restructure.

The stats show that the run D was statistically above-average but poor in short yardage situations.

As long as they find adequate replacements, the run D will be ok w/o VW.

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