Mark Dominik's take on Darrelle Revis

Brady_to_Moss said:

Hope he's right...we can't lose him..would be horrible...

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ive accepted that mccourty is gone, so we must keep revis!

What Green Bay understands is that the salary cap league requires that you look at your roster like a college team. Draft 'em. Play 'em for four years. Move on to the next group. The cardinal mistake (other than spending like a drunken sailor in free agency) is overpaying in an effort to keep all of your four year vets at the end of the rookie deals. You simply cannot do it. You have to churn the roster replacing these vets with new rookie deals.

You save the resigning vets to exceptional players and/or to vets who will sign team friendly deals. Whatever benefit you get from overpaying a Shane Vereen is offset by the overall hit to the team cap of not playing the NEXT Shane Vereen at $510,000 a year.

BTW, this is why the league's best teachers tend to be successful head coaches. They are able to get production out of young players.

hwc said:

What Green Bay understands is that the salary cap league requires that you look at your roster like a college team. Draft 'em. Play 'em for four years. Move on to the next group. The cardinal mistake (other than spending like a drunken sailor in free agency) is overpaying in an effort to keep all of your four year vets at the end of the rookie deals. You simply cannot do it. You have to churn the roster replacing these vets with new rookie deals.

You save the resigning vets to exceptional players and/or to vets who will sign team friendly deals. Whatever benefit you get from overpaying a Shane Vereen is offset by the overall hit to the team cap of not playing the NEXT Shane Vereen at $510,000 a year.

BTW, this is why the league's best teachers tend to be successful head coaches. They are able to get production out of young players.

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I fully agree. To take it one step further, it can be difficult to pay a franchise QB top dollar while also paying a WR 10+ million dollars per year. While we see it alot, we can certainly agree that there is an attempt at finding the proper balance in other areas on the team.

Add in a SECOND wide receiver who is looking for double digit AAV and it pretty much becomes impossible to allocate those kinds of resources on the passing game alone.

supafly said:

I could certainly envision a scenario where Revis' new offer beats the 14.01 AAV set last spring, but honestly---16 to 18 million dollars a year? I think that's awfully high, even for a player of Revis' caliber.

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That's not just "awfully high", let's call a spade a spade, that's an INSANE number. To me this just shows the same kind of disconnect we saw when Welker was negotiating.

You know I love what Revis did this season, but quite frankly I think he's getting far too much overall credit for the success of the Defense. In fact, lately it seems like he's getting ALL of it, Sup. This defense was more effective than "shut down". In fact the ONLY remarkable stat the D put up last season was that run of about 9 games at the end of the season, where they pretty much shut out their opponents in the 4th quarter (12 points combined IIRC). A great deal of its success was due to how well they played as a group.

I believe that with the hoped for improvement to the DL continued improvement of the LB play along with the continued development with the young DB's, the drop off in CB play with the loss of Revis, could be made up for with improvements in other areas. And who knows, if Revis left (which I doubt) there will still be some interesting veteran CB names out there that, while not as good, aren't bad either.

In the end I can't get past the fact that the Pats went to the superbowl in 2011 with a secondary that would be significantly worse that the one we'd put out there even if Revis and McCourty both left. And we certainly didn't lose that superbowl because of that secondary, OR the defense. Quite frankly when you think about it, it was amazing that THAT team got to the superbowl at all.

patfanken said:

That's not just "awfully high", let's call a spade a spade, that's an INSANE number. To me this just shows the same kind of disconnect we saw when Welker was negotiating.

You know I love what Revis did this season, but quite frankly I think he's getting far too much overall credit for the success of the Defense. In fact, lately it seems like he's getting ALL of it, Sup. This defense was more effective than "shut down". In fact the ONLY remarkable stat the D put up last season was that run of about 9 games at the end of the season, where they pretty much shut out their opponents in the 4th quarter (12 points combined IIRC). A great deal of its success was due to how well they played as a group.

I believe that with the hoped for improvement to the DL continued improvement of the LB play along with the continued development with the young DB's, the drop off in CB play with the loss of Revis, could be made up for with improvements in other areas. And who knows, if Revis left (which I doubt) there will still be some interesting veteran CB names out there that, while not as good, aren't bad either.

In the end I can't get past the fact that the Pats went to the superbowl in 2011 with a secondary that would be significantly worse that the one we'd put out there even if Revis and McCourty both left. And we certainly didn't lose that superbowl because of that secondary, OR the defense. Quite frankly when you think about it, it was amazing that THAT team got to the superbowl at all.

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While I do agree that the defense has been getting a bit too much recognition at times, those 2nd half numbers down the stretch that you mentioned (particularly in the last quarter) are likely "worth it" right there. Add in the fact that the run defense also improved while playing about 70 percent of their snaps from subpackage groupings, and we saw a very nice turnaround this year.

I don't think there should be any question that Revis showed his ability to be a shut down CB though, and that really started after the first few games and led into a tough stretch against top level competition in the passing game. I think Revis allows the defense to be much more flexible in some areas, while pretty much completely shutting down one main receiver. How many times did we see an opposing QB sit back there and have what seemed like all day long to try and find an open man?

I can deal with losing McCourty. I don't see how we can afford to spend all of that money in the secondary, so that makes sense. What I do not want to see however, is Darrelle Revis walk away. I agree with you that there are many ways to skin a cat, and your example of the 2011 SB near-miss is just one of those ways. Life in the Pats secondary would go on, but it sure is nice to have that kind of weapon right now.

As far as projecting numbers, I fully agree with you that some of these projections are getting out of hand. If Revis is going to receive anything close to that (16+ million) it probably isn't going to be here in N.England. Just my opinion. I think he'd be open to taking something in the 13-14m dollar range, as long as the guaranteed money was nice.