Mark Dominik's take on Darrelle Revis

Spiral said:

It's either:
A). I got a ring and now I want to get paid, especially since this is probably my last chance at a big contract.
B). I've played for bad teams before and I don't want to do that again, even if the money's better.

We've seen examples of both.

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Patriots aren't the only contender who would covet Revis on the open market. There are many teams who believe they are just a piece or two away from a Super Bowl run, and it doesn't take much for a guy like Revis to buy into that when there's a lot of money riding on the decision.

Jangles said:

You do realize Sherman has his own ring right?

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Sure, but not for Superb0wl 49, the one their teams competed against each other. So for the moment at least, Revis has the LAST word.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Patriots aren't the only contender who would covet Revis on the open market. There are many teams who believe they are just a piece or two away from a Super Bowl run, and it doesn't take much for a guy like Revis to buy into that when there's a lot of money riding on the decision.

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There is no other HC like BB. I'm hoping that and a chance to be part of another dynasty, as opposed to winning with a couple of more different teams will hold a great appeal. Maybe now is the time to give legacy equal billing with getting paid?

At least I hope so.

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

Patriots aren't the only contender who would covet Revis on the open market. There are many teams who believe they are just a piece or two away from a Super Bowl run, and it doesn't take much for a guy like Revis to buy into that when there's a lot of money riding on the decision.

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Good teams have good players. Good players cost money. The Packers, Seahawks, Cowboys, Lions in the NFC, and the Broncos, Bengals, Colts, Steelers, and Ravens in the AFC all have cap issues of their own. All these teams are in the process of desperately trying to create more cap room by releasing players or allowing good players to test FA. None of them have the kind of cap room to go after Revis long term, not without losing talent on the other side.

Like I said, there ARE teams who have plenty of room to over pay him, but those teams are generally the ones who are works in progress, and the kind of teams Revis would rather avoid.. Remember its not like the Pats are offering pennies on the dollar. They will be willing to pay him at the top of the market, which is $13-14MM/yr. So it is going to take a $16MM/yr kind of deal to entice him away, and the only teams who can pull that off are the bottom feeders

I wonder if veteran free agents who want a ring real bad would be more inclined to go to New England on the cheap if we can get revis Signed to a long term deal.

I think the only thing holding things up is how many years and how much up front money but a say he gets 11 million per from the pats

Spiral said:

It's either:
A). I got a ring and now I want to get paid, especially since this is probably my last chance at a big contract.
B). I've played for bad teams before and I don't want to do that again, even if the money's better.

We've seen examples of both.

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The guy has made over 100 million in his career. If the Pats offer him 5 years for 70 mill, and he turns it down for 16-18 mill elsewhere, he can honestly go **** himself.

What cracks me up is hearing guys say after leaving a SB Championship team, "I wanted to go to a team that has a chance to be a winner", when all along its about money.

50-yard-line said:

Not sure he would be overpaid, honestly. Revis is smart enough to convert to safety when the time comes and i think that he'd be a very good one even at that age.

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this is exactly how I feel about him. He will have the same kind of career as Woodson. I would bet Revis is still playing at a high level at the end of a long term deal.

patsfan-1982 said:

I think the only thing holding things up is how many years and how much up front money but a say he gets 11 million per from the pats

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So you are saying 11m/yr will get Revis? Everyone that believes this is dreaming.
Why would he take less that 2014 season?

Once he hits free agency, he will command 15-16m/yr easy. Jets will throw money at him. That is only 1 team of many that can/will do this.

zipster9 said:

So you are saying 11m/yr will get Revis? Everyone that believes this is dreaming.
Why would he take less that 2014 season?

Once he hits free agency, he will command 15-16m/yr easy. Jets will throw money at him. That is only 1 team of many that can/will do this.

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I guess im more hoping to tell you the truth cause I don't think they should pay him more then 12 million, if the pats pay him 15 million they would still be over the cap unless the back load his contract and that could end up with a lot of dead cap money and you don't want that with a older player

If the Pats offer him 11 per year it will rightly be taken as an insult and probably implode relations. Seriously that would be a ridiculous offer.

varjao said:

I think he's wrong, I also think Revis took it personal when Sherman mocked him in the SB and now wants to get paid as the #1 to shut Sherman's mouth and fingers since he likes to tweet about his contract.

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Not everyone has an adolescent mindset.

patfanken said:

................. Remember its not like the Pats are offering pennies on the dollar. They will be willing to pay him at the top of the market, which is $13-14MM/yr. So it is going to take a $16MM/yr kind of deal to entice him away, and the only teams who can pull that off are the bottom feeders

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Ken,

I'd be elated if I thought Revis would sign for 13-14. I just believe players are looking at 2016, 17 projected cap numbers and going from there.

Hope he's right...we can't lose him..would be horrible...

Patriots has done that. Tells player to go out and see what is out there, and come back and see if we can match it, or make a competitive offer.

Sometimes it worked for Patriots... Sometimes it don't.

The bad part is that many teams have a dire need for a top CB and they have the spending cap to do it.
I would be surprised if Patriots can match 16-18m/yr which is a realistic amount he can command.

I hope for the best, but...

So they still haven't announced the Revis signing?

patfanken said:

Good teams have good players. Good players cost money. The Packers, Seahawks, Cowboys, Lions in the NFC, and the Broncos, Bengals, Colts, Steelers, and Ravens in the AFC all have cap issues of their own. All these teams are in the process of desperately trying to create more cap room by releasing players or allowing good players to test FA. None of them have the kind of cap room to go after Revis long term, not without losing talent on the other side.

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Although I agree with you that there are always tough decisions to be made in regards to the era of the NFL salary cap, the following teams are all in the "top 12" of available current salary cap space---with a very nice handful of contenders.

The bottom line is that there are certainly teams who are in a fine position to take Revis away, should he hit the open market. The majority of them are in the AFC. The notion that some of these teams like "Green Bay, Indy, Denver, and Cincy" are having cap issues doesn't seem to be correct:


-- Indy (5th most cap room)--AFC 45+ million in available space

-- Cincy (7th most cap room)--AFC 41+ million in available space

--Green Bay (10th most cap space)--33+ million in available space




As you've noted, some of these teams would have to make decisions on who to let walk and who to replace, just like every other year. There are also some who are in a very nice position as it pertains to the cap.

supafly said:

Although I agree with you that there are always tough decisions to be made in regards to the era of the NFL salary cap, the following teams are all in the "top 12" of available current salary cap space---with a very nice handful of contenders.

The bottom line is that there are certainly teams who are in a fine position to take Revis away, should he hit the open market. The majority of them are in the AFC. The notion that some of these teams like "Green Bay, Indy, Denver, and Cincy" are having cap issues doesn't seem to be correct:


-- Indy (5th most cap room)--AFC 45+ million in available space

-- Cincy (7th most cap room)--AFC 41+ million in available space

--Green Bay (10th most cap space)--33+ million in available space




As you've noted, some of these teams would have to make decisions on who to let walk and who to replace, just like every other year. There are also some who are in a very nice position as it pertains to the cap.

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In my defense I knew the Colts had a lot of cap space but was constricted by a number of future big contracts coming up, including Luck that would probably preclude them from going after Revis, though I could see McCourty being a target.

The GB and Cinci info was surprising, especially GB, since they are letting Cobb get to FA with all that space. You'd think they could afford to Franchise him if only to give them more time to work out a deal. Cinci on the other hand will be interesting to watch. They have a pretty good roster already. I'm shocked they have so much space, especially after getting their QB signed.

patfanken said:

In my defense I knew the Colts had a lot of cap space but was constricted by a number of future big contracts coming up, including Luck that would probably preclude them from going after Revis, though I could see McCourty being a target.

The GB and Cinci info was surprising, especially GB, since they are letting Cobb get to FA with all that space. You'd think they could afford to Franchise him if only to give them more time to work out a deal. Cinci on the other hand will be interesting to watch. They have a pretty good roster already. I'm shocked they have so much space, especially after getting their QB signed.

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In regards to IND--they still have a full two years left on Luck's last pact, which paid him north of 22m dollars even though it was a rookie pact. I personally don't see a new deal getting done this year, and if they do it will be due to the fact that they are in a comfortable enough position cap-wise. I'm not sure we can rule them out from going after players such as Revis, McCourty, and Vereen. I realize that they are poorly run from the top down, but one could certainly argue that the addition of another big name player would help their cause tremendously. Either way, I think most expect them to compete in free agency this year. I'm actually wondering if they may cut Reggie Wayne and make a run at Andre Johnson, who would then go up against his old team 2x every year?

As far as CIN goes--as you said they are in a nice position even after signing Dalton, although their main problem is the fact that....they still have to try and win with Dalton.

Green Bay just seems to be one of those teams like us who just doesn't go out of their way to try and overpay, even for elite talent. Cobb is reported to be looking for something in the same range as Nelson's 4/39 (or almost 10m AAV) pact. The Packers may not want to invest that much money in their passing game with Rodgers, Nelson, AND Cobb. That is my guess, anyway. After all, they saw a cheap rookie WR with Devonte Adams really take off last year, so they'll likely try and utilize that to their advantage and spend the money elseswhere.

zipster9 said:

Patriots has done that. Tells player to go out and see what is out there, and come back and see if we can match it, or make a competitive offer.

Sometimes it worked for Patriots... Sometimes it don't.

The bad part is that many teams have a dire need for a top CB and they have the spending cap to do it.
I would be surprised if Patriots can match 16-18m/yr which is a realistic amount he can command.

I hope for the best, but...

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I could certainly envision a scenario where Revis' new offer beats the 14.01 AAV set last spring, but honestly---16 to 18 million dollars a year? I think that's awfully high, even for a player of Revis' caliber.