Why have we heard nothing about Wilfork?

What do you guys think about extending an offer sheet to Harrison from the jets if he is tagged at the 2nd rd level. Say 4 years 16 mil with a poison pill that he has to be the highest paid DT on the team. (league treats 3-4 DE as DT for tags, awards, etc) Wilkerson is due 7 mill next year so I don't think the jets could match.

You will be giving up the 64th pick, but getting a superior run stuffing-2 gaping player with a first year cap hit of a couple of million. I think of him the equal of Knighton but with somewhat less in the passing game. But with the way BB plays sub groups, I think he will be a great fit.

It's also quite possible Vince stats at his current number, maybe the pats are comfortable with it, who knows.

The issue is not Vince per se. The issue is the $8 million in cap room the Pats would get by releasing him and how you could reinvest that $8 million in younger players.

The Pats are $12 million over the cap with several players who need contract offers. The Pats need a Revis deal AND some other significant savings. McCourty or Wilfork? Vereen or Wilfork? It's a zero-sum game.

Migu

hwc said:

The issue is not Vince per se. The issue is the $8 million in cap room the Pats would get by releasing him and how you could reinvest that $8 million in younger players.

The Pats are $12 million over the cap with several players who need contract offers. The Pats need a Revis deal AND some other significant savings. McCourty or Wilfork? Vereen or Wilfork? It's a zero-sum game.

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U have to remember that revis has that imaginary 20 million dollar option which is cap space if they cut him and then work out a deal.

Patriots1364life said:

Migu


U have to remember that revis has that imaginary 20 million dollar option which is cap space if they cut him and then work out a deal.

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The Pats are currently $17M over the cap. Even if/when they cut Revis and get $20M in cap space back, they still won't have near enough space to re-sign him without clearing out room elsewhere. And as much as I love Vince, once you decide that you're cutting guys to make that space, he and his $8M in savings become the pretty clear first place to go IMO.

Yep. I'm aware of Revis' cap number and the potential savings. That's why I said the Pats need a Revis deal AND another significant cap savings.

A Revis deal and not picking up the roster bonus for Wilfork would put the Pats in decent enough cap shape for many of the signings they need to make. A Revis deal, by itself, is not enough.

They might have to make tough decisions. Restructure contracts etc.
Thats the issues with the salary cap.
I would restructure mayo as well. One thing that comes up is that contract wih cannon.

Pat Kirwin lists "3rd swing tackle" as one of the keys to real NFL roster depth. People who complain about Cannon's deal fail to appreciate how much importance front office types place on having a solid backup tackle who can play both sides.

It's similar to underestimating the cap value of a slot corner in a league that plays nickle or dime on 75% of the defensive snaps.

In both cases, dismissing the player as "backups" is a mistake.

vince will be cut shortly. cant have a 34 year old DT making 8 million.

Gronkowski123 said:

vince will be cut shortly. cant have a 34 year old DT making 8 million.

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There would be a difficult decision to be made if it was 8 million for a 30 year old Vince. 34 years old make this a no brainer.

How much can this team get under the cap? The inevitable is gonna happen with vince. Anyone think tommy might restructure just a lil to give us some money to add.

Patriots1364life said:

How much can this team get under the cap? The inevitable is gonna happen with vince. Anyone think tommy might restructure just a lil to give us some money to add.

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Brady's already playing for half his market value. If the Pats were to seriously approach him about giving up more money he would rightly be pissed.

Patriots1364life said:

How much can this team get under the cap? The inevitable is gonna happen with vince. Anyone think tommy might restructure just a lil to give us some money to add.

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I don't think the Pats would want Brady to restructure. They've got as good a cap structure with him as they could get. They sure don't want to be adding dead money in future years to the contract of a QB approaching 40.

If Brady tears a pec lifting weights tomorrow and retires, the Pats take an $18 million dead money charge. That's tough, but they could still field a team. If Drew Brees tears a pec tomorrow and retires, the Saints are faced with a $33 million dead money cap hit. They would have to cut additional players just to absorb the hit from one player retiring. That's a very risky situation to be in with an older player.

Got a point there. I am not much of a cap guru. I am hoping we can retain revis and add a couple of players.

I believe that a player is limited to one restructure per calendar year. So I don't think Brady is eligible.

BradyFTW! said:

The Pats are currently $17M over the cap.

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Where are you getting that number from?

Ross12 said:

I believe that a player is limited to one restructure per calendar year. So I don't think Brady is eligible.

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A player can do more than one restructure in an year as long as the second one does not increase that year's cap number. See Richard Seymour

The Revis new contract cap amount will be anywhere between $0 and $10M. The pats are unlikely to be over the cap with a Revis signing. Without a re-signing, the team is $6m under.

Yes, Brady might restructure now instead of later saving over $4.5M in 2015 cap money. Brady would not lose any money.

For me, the early questions are Revis, Wilfork and any early restructures that are needed in order to re-sign or sign free agents.

There is no particular reason to make announcements early, other than to give the player the spotlight for a day or two.

The Pats have no choice but to address Revis and Wilfork this week. They have roster bonuses that have to be decided on by Monday. The contracts were written to force decisions.

Without a re-signing, the team is $6m under.

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Not really. Without a Revis resigning, they might have to hit the free agent pool for a veteran CB or a vet at a position they had planned to draft before finding out they had to draft a CB early. You don't just play without a CB if you can't extend Revis.

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Without a Revis resigning, they might have to hit the free agent pool for a veteran CB or a vet at a position they had planned to draft before finding out they had to draft a CB early. You don't just play without a CB if you can't extend Revis.

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Do you really see any halfway decent alternatives out there on the free agency market at the position of CB? I don't.

The pickings are rather slim this year in my opinion. If Revis walks they will likely have to address it via the draft, along with the players that we already have on our team.