Mark Dominik's take on Darrelle Revis

Indy likely might go after dmac.

varjao said:

I think he's wrong, I also think Revis took it personal when Sherman mocked him in the SB and now wants to get paid as the #1 to shut Sherman's mouth and fingers since he likes to tweet about his contract.

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Excuse me? Sherman mocks him and so he wants to get paid more? Revis merely has to show the man his RING and he gets the final word in any mocking contest. Getting paid more is no trick. The only true way to get back at Sherman is to show him ANOTHER ring. The best place to do that would be here or some place else with a great chance to go. The trouble is that all of THOSE places are simply too smart to pay a 30 year old CB, regardless of how good he is, $16MM/yr long term

Yes, some cesspool like the Jags or Jets might pony up big money for Revis, but he already experienced that kind of situation in Tampa. I doubt he'd want to experience it again for sake of a couple of million/year more that he's never going to be able to spend in this lifetime anyway. Give me a break!

I know it's not in our nature to be patient, but that's what we need to do. Dommick is right. The market for Reivis should be $12-14MM/yr., though $12MM is a bit on the low side. But $13-14 should get it done. Then it's just a mater of agreeing to the structure, years, and guarantees. That is what this week is all about.....coming to agreement on the details.

Think about this point; Most of what we hear that comes from "inside sources" is coming from agent and other player reps. That is why, in most cases, when the specifics of a deal is finally laid bare, it is very rarely as good as it seemed when it was first reported. Just as, in a lot of cases, the perception of the player's market was less than the reality.

BTW- should I be wrong and Revis hits FA on 3/10, I still will believe that the odds he comes back to the Pats will still be above 50-50.

Usually what i say, the opposite happens soooo....revis and mccourty are goners.

Is there anyway we can still sign DMac if revis signs here?

I am here in nyc and many think its not a smart football move for the jests to give revis 16 mil with 40 million guarantee.

Patriots1364life said:

Indy likely might go after dmac.

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DMac is another story. I think the Pats should have franchised him, though I understand that the cap situation might not have made that possible.

The problem, I believe is that the Pats are likely looking at him in the $7-8MM range, while DMac and his agerts are thinking in the $9-20MM/yr. range. I don't think its an insurmountable gap. Maybe they are willing to let him see what's out there, and hope that someone doesn't overpay to the extent that he can't afford to refuse. Sometimes that strategy works, like with Edelman. Sometimes it doesn't.

The fact that DMac likes it here, and is smart enough to look at the long term benefits of playing the great bulk of his career with the Pats, we can still get this done. My guess if he ends up going elsewhere it will be for a huge deal.

Whether he stays or goes, the only thing I'd like to say to him is thank you for bringing us home our 4th championship at a discounted deal. Anything the man does to help the team going forward is just gravy. Maybe he will end up with a rival, and maybe he will leverage the Patriots and everyone on here will hate him, but I won't be one of them. The man is a true professional and the best at his craft. I am thankful that we got him for a year and hope it can work out long-term.

Patriots1364life said:

Is there anyway we can still sign DMac if revis signs here?

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Sure, if both get long term deals I wouldn't b e surprised to see their cap numbers for the next 2 years be pretty reasonable (for example, I'm willing to bet that wherever DM signs, is cap number this season will be around $5MM. And Revis will likely be close to $10MM for this year)

Plus with both signed we will have plenty of time time now to deal with Wilfolk, Mayo, Connolly, and DA

patfanken said:

Excuse me? Sherman mocks him and so he wants to get paid more? Revis merely has to show the man his RING and he gets the final word in any mocking contest. Getting paid more is no trick. The only true way to get back at Sherman is to show him ANOTHER ring. The best place to do that would be here or some place else with a great chance to go. The trouble is that all of THOSE places are simply too smart to pay a 30 year old CB, regardless of how good he is, $16MM/yr long term

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You do realize Sherman has his own ring right?

Jangles said:

You do realize Sherman has his own ring right?

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Yes, but that ring didn't come in a head to head (team to team) match-up.

robertweathers said:

Beyond the NYJ and BUF being the obvious teams, if DR is looking at teams with a ton of cap space and good QBs, Indy and ATL seem like a good destinations.

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I can't see Indy happening. They're being rumored for every big FA, but the fact is they already have a top-heavy roster and are soon going to need to re-sign Luck, Castonzo and Hilton. I don't think Revis is a good fit for them for the same reason that McCourty isn't: after they extend those guys, their limited cap space needs to be spent addressing the lack of depth on OL, the nonexistent run D, and the awful pass rush. Their secondary is probably the only unit on defense that isn't a huge liability right now.

Atlanta could be an interesting one, though. They already have one great corner who still has some time left on his rookie contract, and could afford to pay Revis a lot for a couple years, leaving the contract with an out where they could cut him right around when Trufant is scheduled to become a FA. The decision of which to keep could then wait until they've seen more of both of them.

Having said all of that, Atlanta's another team that desperately needs to sign pass rushers. The cupboard is bare there. They play in the worst division in football and still couldn't win it, so if Revis is looking to sign with a bona fide contender they're probably out.

varjao said:

No but he certainly knows that he can get paid as the #1 CB in the league. Before that we might have been ok to just get paid in the same ballpark of the top 3 CBs, not necessarily being the #1, like it was reported a few months ago.

Now he can just decide to get paid as the #1 no matter what, not only because of that after all a championship counts, but I think that might be a factor why not, they are football players, ego is part of their reality.

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Assuming Revis cared about Sherman mocking him, I think winning the SB was all the response he would ever care to provide. Scoreboard wins.

That's not to say that Revis will come at a bargain rate, but if he doesn't it won't be because Sherman signed his number at the cameras in a game the Pats ultimately won.

He at least has something of an informed opinion. I think both Revis and McCourty want to stay. I expect BB wants to keep both , and I also expect his plans are contingent on the outcome of the negotiations, so they need to happen sequentially rather than in parallel, starting with Revis. By that I mean that the available funds and team needs are different if he releases Revis than if he signs Revis. Could be the reason DMac hasn't heard much yet. Releasing Revis leaves $5M on the table, which is not something BB wants to do. I expect something to happen fairly soon which will then allow the team to move quickly down the priority list. The only problem with this scenario is that the time leverage works for the player and against the team. So, as with Welker, I expect the team to make an offer with a deadline attached. Of course I hope the result is different.

patfanken said:

DMac is another story. I think the Pats should have franchised him, though I understand that the cap situation might not have made that possible.

The problem, I believe is that the Pats are likely looking at him in the $7-8MM range, while DMac and his agerts are thinking in the $9-20MM/yr. range. I don't think its an insurmountable gap. Maybe they are willing to let him see what's out there, and hope that someone doesn't overpay to the extent that he can't afford to refuse. Sometimes that strategy works, like with Edelman. Sometimes it doesn't.

The fact that DMac likes it here, and is smart enough to look at the long term benefits of playing the great bulk of his career with the Pats, we can still get this done. My guess if he ends up going elsewhere it will be for a huge deal.

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I think if Revis returns to the Pats it improves the chances of McCourty returning, and vice versa.

As I recall they have spoken out about their like and admiration for each other.

I agree with what he's saying other than the money, as many have said. I will paint myself red, blue and silver, and run naked through downtown denver wearing a flying elvis head if we get him for 5/60 (and currently it's very cold out)... 5/75 is about the most frugal I'm hoping for.

But I think Revis is an extremely smart man. He walks softly and carries a big stick...on the field and off. I mean, he's just keeping a poker face and it's making everyone REALLY nervous, if not making them Chicken Littles.

Money can buy a lot of things, but BB on bended knee isn't one of them. Revis will not only win in New England and make a lot of money doing so, but he is revered by the greatest coach of all time. If he doesn't stay because of 1-2 million per year, then I've lost a lot of faith in humanity and admiration for greatness. A little dramatic, but true for me. If Revis and the Pats don't get married, then I don't know what love is.

I'm sure many of you are extremely good at something and know that it can be difficult to find your peers in that area. Imagine being the BEST.

He's staying. He's just not showing his hand at this point and he shouldn't.

Patriot_in_NY said:

Yes, but that ring didn't come in a head to head (team to team) match-up.

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I can't imagine that would be that important for a corner.

Not like a qb to qb comparison

BradyFTW! said:

I can't see Indy happening. They're being rumored for every big FA, but the fact is they already have a top-heavy roster and are soon going to need to re-sign Luck, Castonzo and Hilton. I don't think Revis is a good fit for them for the same reason that McCourty isn't: after they extend those guys, their limited cap space needs to be spent addressing the lack of depth on OL, the nonexistent run D, and the awful pass rush. Their secondary is probably the only unit on defense that isn't a huge liability right now.

Atlanta could be an interesting one, though. They already have one great corner who still has some time left on his rookie contract, and could afford to pay Revis a lot for a couple years, leaving the contract with an out where they could cut him right around when Trufant is scheduled to become a FA. The decision of which to keep could then wait until they've seen more of both of them.

Having said all of that, Atlanta's another team that desperately needs to sign pass rushers. The cupboard is bare there. They play in the worst division in football and still couldn't win it, so if Revis is looking to sign with a bona fide contender they're probably out.

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Good points. If ATL can draft a pass rusher AND sign DR they have something. With Brees, Newton and potentially Winston, they'll be some decent passers in that division. They need good cover guys.

Pagano could do a sell job on Revis as say that he runs the same D that Ryan ran in NYJ (Pagano reported to Ryan in BAL in 2008) but I agree, they have needs and already have Vontae Davis. They need DMC more than DR.

If Pats resign both DMc AND Revis.....next season will be a success no matter what else happens.....

The Wilfork, Mayo, Browner, Ridley, Vereen contracts take on less of an urgency.... JMHO

50-yard-line said:

Indy?

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Indy already has Vontae Davis, so im not sure I can see them investing even more into the CB position when they already have a strong pass defense. Although they basically got Davis for a steal, and getting someone like Revis would give them hands down the most dominant secondary in the NFL.

I just hope they don't go after McCourty.. seeing McCourty in a Jets or Colts uniform would just crush me inside

It's either:
A). I got a ring and now I want to get paid, especially since this is probably my last chance at a big contract.
B). I've played for bad teams before and I don't want to do that again, even if the money's better.

We've seen examples of both.