Seriously...why is it taking so long?

Ivan · Mar 2, 2015

Oh. OK, you're from Florida. That explains it.

meatface · Mar 3, 2015

How long its taking really makes me think that they are going to come out with some report in three months that says nothing and makes sure to say that the NFL did nothing wrong

flasox27 · Mar 3, 2015

Ivan said:
Oh. OK, you're from Florida. That explains it.

Absolutely wrong, I am a Bostonian who lives in Florida. I grew up in Dorchester and went to Boston Latin School and BU. I have rooted for the Pats since Butch Songin was their QB in 1960. In all likehood that is before most of you were born which explains why I have a more reality based view of how things actually work.

Ivan · Mar 3, 2015

flasox27 said:
Absolutely wrong, I am a Bostonian who lives in Florida. I grew up in Dorchester and went to Boston Latin School and BU. I have rooted for the Pats since Butch Songin was their QB in 1960. In all likehood that is before most of you were born which explains why I have a more reality based view of how things actually work.

As I said before we will see who is right when the report comes out, so I wouldn't start patting myself on the back yet if I were you

QuantumMechanic · Mar 3, 2015

Looks like Reiss has a similar take on it to me. From today's mailbag:

Q. Hey Mike, when do you think the Ted Wells investigation on deflategate will be done? Do you think the Pats will be fined? -- Eric (Charlestown, South Carolina)

A. Eric, just spitballing here, but the NFL's annual owners meeting starts March 23 and I'd like to think it would be completed by then so the league can put it to bed. My prediction is that the report will conclude that underinflated footballs were used, it is unclear why, and the league can't prove a deliberate act. Thus, it will remain an open-ended issue in which people can draw their own conclusions.

BradyManny · Mar 3, 2015

rlcarr said:
Looks like Reiss has a similar take on it to me. From today's mailbag:

Good call. You've been on top of this for a while - Reiss should've had to cite you for that one.

I'm eager to get this thing over with, but the inevitable open-ending answer from the NFL will be unsatisfying to those of us who took an interest in the science of it all. Hopefully Columbia releases their findings at least.

flasox27 · Mar 3, 2015

Ivan said:
As I said before we will see who is right when the report comes out, so I wouldn't start patting myself on the back yet if I were you

Nor would I make snide remarks about where a person lives now without knowing the history of the person if I were you. In any event we will find out who is right when we see what Goodell does when the report comes out. Keeping in mind that Goodell can dole out punishment even if no illegal action could be proved.

Ivan · Mar 3, 2015

flasox27 said:
Nor would I make snide remarks about where a person lives now without knowing the history of the person if I were you. In any event we will find out who is right when we see what Goodell does when the report comes out. Keeping in mind that Goodell can dole out punishment even if no illegal action could be proved.

It's not my fault that Florida is a joke all by itself.

tom.kordis · Mar 3, 2015

flasox27 said:
Absolutely wrong, I am a Bostonian who lives in Florida. I grew up in Dorchester and went to Boston Latin School and BU. I have rooted for the Pats since Butch Songin was their QB in 1960. In all likehood that is before most of you were born which explains why I have a more reality based view of how things actually work.

Fla, I am really puzzled by your claim to "reality based view".
Do you think that Roger Goodell (or anyone else on the planet) can order Mother Nature around. Do you think that any of them can issue an edict that will make footballs not "deflate", exactly as the Pats' balls did during the Indy game, due to temperature?

Let's assume for a minute that Goodell & the League sanction the Pats in some way. Or claim that, even tho they don't know what happened, the situation is still not understood.

What do you think is going to happen when the Pats organization calls in some reporters with video cameras, pressurizes some footballs to 12.5 psi, then puts them in a refrigerator @ 50°F and occasionally sprinkles some 50°F water over them for about 90 minutes. Then, with cameras rolling, they pull the balls out of the refrigerator, stick a pressure gauge into it, and the gauge reads 11 psi??

The media LOVES to lynch people. They don't care who they lynch, as long as it's good & bloody.

Do you really think that they won't go after Goodell as rabidly as they went after Brady & Belichick?

If so, why do you think that they would not do so??

Tom

PS.
Me BLS, '70,
Cornell U, '74, mechanical engineering.

ctpatsfan77 · Mar 4, 2015

flasox27 said:
Nor would I make snide remarks about where a person lives now without knowing the history of the person if I were you. In any event we will find out who is right when we see what Goodell does when the report comes out. Keeping in mind that Goodell can dole out punishment even if no illegal action could be proved.

Yes, he theoretically can, but the standard is still a preponderance of the evidence—i.e., it's more likely than not. He can't fine the team on the suspicion that they might have done something without coming across like a complete hypocrite (since the NFL doesn't even have written evidence that the footballs were properly inflated in the first place).

DarrylS · Mar 4, 2015

This investigation has taken extraordinarily long, and does not seem all that complicated.. either the NFL is waiting for a flurry of football activity so they can release the info and it will become a byline or they cannot prove anything as there was no documentation of baseline football pressures prior to the game..

In his "gotcha" haste Goodell painted himself into a corner and now is trying figure out how to salvage the "integrity of the NFL", the greatest oxymoron of all time.

flasox27 · Mar 4, 2015

tom.kordis said:
Fla, I am really puzzled by your claim to "reality based view".
Do you think that Roger Goodell (or anyone else on the planet) can order Mother Nature around. Do you think that any of them can issue an edict that will make footballs not "deflate", exactly as the Pats' balls did during the Indy game, due to temperature?

Let's assume for a minute that Goodell & the League sanction the Pats in some way. Or claim that, even tho they don't know what happened, the situation is still not understood.

What do you think is going to happen when the Pats organization calls in some reporters with video cameras, pressurizes some footballs to 12.5 psi, then puts them in a refrigerator @ 50°F and occasionally sprinkles some 50°F water over them for about 90 minutes. Then, with cameras rolling, they pull the balls out of the refrigerator, stick a pressure gauge into it, and the gauge reads 11 psi??

The media LOVES to lynch people. They don't care who they lynch, as long as it's good & bloody.

Do you really think that they won't go after Goodell as rabidly as they went after Brady & Belichick?

If so, why do you think that they would not do so??

Tom

PS.
Me BLS, '70,
Cornell U, '74, mechanical engineering.

flasox27 · Mar 4, 2015

Keep in mind that everyone with half a brain knows that there is a scientific explanation for the decline in pressure. Consequently, the witch hunt could have ended in 24 hours yet it is still going on. The media and public knows this and it doesn't matter to them. All Goodell needs to punish the Pats is that a rule was violated i.e. the pressure was less than the prescribed amount regardless of how it got there. After 2007, the public and media believes the Pats are cheaters so punishing them is a positive factor for Goodell not a negative as people in New England think.
BLS 68

flasox27 · Mar 4, 2015

Ivan said:
It's not my fault that Florida is a joke all by itself.

I am glad I am here not there this time of year. LOL

Clonamery · Mar 4, 2015

flasox27 said:
Keep in mind that everyone with half a brain knows that there is a scientific explanation for the decline in pressure. Consequently, the witch hunt could have ended in 24 hours yet it is still going on. The media and public knows this and it doesn't matter to them. All Goodell needs to punish the Pats is that a rule was violated i.e. the pressure was less than the prescribed amount regardless of how it got there. After 2007, the public and media believes the Pats are cheaters so punishing them is a positive factor for Goodell not a negative as people in New England think.
BLS 68

Such a self-defeating, loser's argument. Sad.

QuantumMechanic · Mar 4, 2015

Clonamery said:
Such a self-defeating, loser's argument. Sad.

So how about telling us specifically what you think it wrong with it.

Clonamery · Mar 4, 2015

rlcarr said:
So how about telling us specifically what you think it wrong with it.

It ignores the science. It ignores the League's recent PR nightmares (see tom'kordis' suggestion in post #150).

It's too easy to say haters hate, Goodell's incompetent, Patriots are bad, fine them or even that the NFL will quietly let it disappear like a fart in the wind on some busy sports Friday in March.

Eff that, have some will, courage of your convictions and believe that Goodell will say they've been weak in their ball security measures and ignorant or uncaring of environmental effects of temperature in the past.

Gravy is they fire Kensil.

To believe different is to ignore the NFL's bad PR the last year and a half and assume Kraft will bend over again and say, "Thank you, sir, may I have another."

BradyManny · Mar 4, 2015

Clonamery said:
It ignores the science.

No, people have ignored the science. As others have said - it's been there since day one.

I'm afraid the realist/pessimist approach is the appropriate one to take here, unless proven otherwise. What has the league done to make you think whatever comes next won't be as equally as stupid as everything that has preceded it?

Clonamery · Mar 4, 2015

BradyManny said:
No, people have ignored the science. As others have said - it's been there since day one.

I'm afraid the realist/pessimist approach is the appropriate one to take here, unless proven otherwise. What has the league done to make you think whatever comes next won't be as equally as stupid as everything that has preceded it?

I'd rather be wrong in the end than have your attitude.

Appropriate? Who are you, my Freshman English instructor?

Calhoun44 · Mar 4, 2015

I think the NFL has consistently enforced rules. The punishment has not always matched up correctly with the offense, but usually if a rule is broken they punish the offending party. This is why I have (mostly) full confidence in the NFL and that Kensil will be demoted or fired. If the reports are true, he alone tried to set up the Patriots and then without informing the team changed the pressure of the balls to be used in the AFCCG. I think the reason it is taking so long is because the investigation is now focusing on the whole process that goes into ball pressure and new procedures are on the way.

Seriously...why is it taking so long?

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