Why have we heard nothing about Wilfork?

Marinlik said:

Arrington doesn't have a large cap hit. I think his cap is reasonable for a starting player of his caliber on the defense. His skills are what allows us to gameplan away speedy slot receivers.

You are obsessed with Amendola. I never said a single word about him, not one. I only argued about Arrington without ever touching on Amendola. Yet you continue to bring up Amendola in every reply to me, as if I had spoken to great lengths about his greatness. You are truly obsessed with Amendola, as you have to continue to bring him up in replys and threads and say how much he sucks, where no one is even mentioning him.

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It would appear he is incapable of controlling himself. He takes narcissism to the extreme. Is all about him and his agenda.

Marinlik said:

Arrington doesn't have a large cap hit. I think his cap is reasonable for a starting player of his caliber on the defense. His skills are what allows us to gameplan away speedy slot receivers.

You are obsessed with Amendola. I never said a single word about him, not one. I only argued about Arrington without ever touching on Amendola. Yet you continue to bring up Amendola in every reply to me, as if I had spoken to great lengths about his greatness. You are truly obsessed with Amendola, as you have to continue to bring him up in replys and threads and say how much he sucks, where no one is even mentioning him.

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You inserted yourself into a back and forth about how I would cut Amendola and Arrington with 6/1 designations.

I'm not obsessed with Amendola I'm fascinated by the way some portray him on this board. It defies logic, the admiration, and accolades he receives is so unmerited I cannot wrap my head around it no matter how hard I try. It really has nothing to do with Danny Amendola if you took any half ass player and posters defend him and advocate for him my reaction would be the same.

I mean see ya later Wilfork, Mayo, Vereen, Ayers, Browner but we have to keep Amendola I mean are these people using drugs? It scares me that I share a common interest with people who actually view that as logical.

Ivan said:

Because you are once again dragging your idiotic agenda into a thread where it doesn't belong. And you are doing so despite being told to cut the sh.t by moderators on numerous occasions. Everyone is sick of it so once again, cut the sh.t. start your own I hate Danny Amendola thread and stop trying to turn every thread into one.

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Or I just am talking about players who are overpaid and Amendola happens to lead that segment.

Who told me to cut any ****? You're a liar. I can talk about cap hits as much as I want and if Amendola is one that I would cut oh well, deal with it, or go away because I don't really care what you think Ivan, not even a little bit in fact.

Brady6 said:

You inserted yourself into a back and forth about how I would cut Amendola and Arrington with 6/1 designations.

I'm not obsessed with Amendola I'm fascinated by the way some portray him on this board. It defies logic, the admiration, and accolades he receives is so unmerited I cannot wrap my head around it no matter how hard I try. It really has nothing to do with Danny Amendola if you took any half ass player and posters defend him and advocate for him my reaction would be the same.

I mean see ya later Wilfork, Mayo, Vereen, Ayers, Browner but we have to keep Amendola I mean are these people using drugs? It scares me that I share a common interest with people who actually view that as logical.

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And here we go again. I inserted my self in a back and forth on Arrington. I never mentioned Amendola and I was very clear of only mentioning Arrington. Yet you continue to talk about it as if I had gone to great lengths to speak of Amendolas greatness. It has everything to do with your obsession with Amendola. No one mentions him, not one freaking word. Yet in you go on your obsessive hate train against a player that has nothing to do with the discussion.

You even say yourself that you feel the need to tell everyone how much you hate Amendola, no mater who the tread is about. That's obsessive behavior.

I believe with another off season to completely solidify his recovery from the ankle surgery, he will be better than last year, a weight cut would be in order in my opinion, he is too big. He is still a player difficult to replace, even old and heavier than ever. The question that remains is more about fit and what kind of direction the defense will go, I believe BB started last year a new rebuilding of the defense not only on the players but on the scheme. Browner is under contract. If they keep Revis I can see BB going strong on the D-Line a la Seattle. It's how the game is played today, pressure the QB for 60 minutes, period. Having two great corners to buy you time and a strong defensive line can allow you to have only serviceable safeties after all you can't have all starts in every position unless a lot of them are on rookie contracts.

That's why I think they may be "fine" with losing McCourty, as long as they keep Revis, because he is the base of the defense and would make Harmon look good too. I'm not saying Devin was good because of Revis, he was already good before Revis but anyway..

Marinlik said:

And here we go again. I inserted my self in a back and forth on Arrington. I never mentioned Amendola and I was very clear of only mentioning Arrington. Yet you continue to talk about it as if I had gone to great lengths to speak of Amendolas greatness. It has everything to do with your obsession with Amendola. No one mentions him, not one freaking word. Yet in you go on your obsessive hate train against a player that has nothing to do with the discussion.

You even say yourself that you feel the need to tell everyone how much you hate Amendola, no mater who the tread is about. That's obsessive behavior.

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So you are only advocating to keep Arrington? If that is the case I apologize for saying you were advocating for Amendola. So we are in agreement 50%?

I can somewhat agree on Arrington especially if we don't have Revis.

Brady6 said:

So you are only advocating to keep Arrington? If that is the case I apologize for saying you were advocating for Amendola. So we are in agreement 50%?

I can somewhat agree on Arrington especially if we don't have Revis.

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I never said that. I only talked about Arrington as that was the only player I wanted to talk about of those two. That I choose to do that does not mean anything in regards to my feelings of Amendola. So we are in 0% agreement as I only talked about Arrington.

Brady6 said:

Let me ask you a question, would you give Malcolm Butler $4.5M for next season?

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why would you? the pats have exclusive rights for the next 3 years

Brady6 said:

Or I just am talking about players who are overpaid and Amendola happens to lead that segment.

Who told me to cut any ****? You're a liar. I can talk about cap hits as much as I want and if Amendola is one that I would cut oh well, deal with it, or go away because I don't really care what you think Ivan, not even a little bit in fact.

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Every time I see one of your posts it reminds me of the photograph of A Rod kissing himself in the mirror. A borderline personality with an obsessive compulsive disorder and acute narcissism.

Yep, sounds about right. It doesn't matter what the rest of us are discussing it's all about you and your agenda.

Brady6 said:

You save $4.5M cutting Amendola with a 6/1 designation and $3M cutting Arrington with a 6/1 designation according to overthecap.com.

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If you're going to cut them this year, why would you use a post-6/1 designation? Why would you be so eager to kick the can down the line into a season where Hightower and Jones will be commanding major raises on their fifth year options, and where the Pats will have to extend or replace Solder while Collins, Hightower, and Jones are impeding FAs? If the Pats have decided that they can get by without Arrington and that those guys need to go for the long-term health of the cap sheet, then the Pats are much, much better off just eating the money now, rather than hurting their cap number next year by cutting these guys in a 2016 cost-neutral way and then having to pay their replacements.

You seem to be advocating for systematically cutting guys post-6/1 in order to squeeze under the cap this year and kick the can down the road. While that cap strategy is at least slightly viable when the cap is expanding dramatically every year, the end result is almost always that you gut the middle of the roster, tread water at the top, and rapidly decline as a result. I really, really don't want to watch the 2016 Patriots turn into the 2014 Saints.

Instead, I think this is a pretty good year to bite the bullet if you feel that you have to. Cut Wilfork, let McCourty walk if you have to, sign Revis long-term because he's an incredibly rare talent and the rare kind of guy who's worth that money. I would've let Gost walk and used his $4.5M elsewhere, but apparently I'm the only person here who feels that way. As I see it, right now priority 1 is getting Revis under contract. Priority 2 is setting the team up so that it can comfortably extend two of the Jones/Hightower/Collins trio next year. If this means using a first round pick on a LT this year so that Solder can walk in FA after this season, then that's a pill you have to swallow. If that means cutting Mayo knowing that you only save a few million by doing so, then fine. At least you clear his cap figure off the books now so that you have that money to pay to your younger linebackers next year.

And lastly, if you're going to clear up cap space now, you do it in a way that won't push more money (in the form of current contract plus replacement contract) into next year. I would rather cut Browner for no dead money and hope that Butler/Dennard/Ryan can replace him than post-6/1 Arrington and Amendola, pay their replacements in a way that hurts next year's cap, and still save a million less in 2015 than Browner alone would.

Ivan said:

Every time I see one of your posts it reminds me of the photograph of A Rod kissing himself in the mirror. A borderline personality with an obsessive compulsive disorder and acute narcissism.

Yep, sounds about right.

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You see if you refer back to post #33 you will see that I came into this thread and stated my opinion that I was more concerned with the cap hits of Amendola and Arrington. I did not quote anyone's post when I offered my opinion, I did not tag anyone, nothing. Then the same usual posters - Ivan, 50 yard line, Bruins29, Malkrilk who always give me crap over Amendola proceeded to quote that post, starting the back and forth, I have only responded to their posts when they quote mine. So you should take a hard look at yourself in the mirror.

Phase 1: Start thread on Vince Wilfork

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Argument about Danny Amendola on page 7 (Profit?)

Marinlik said:

I never said that. I only talked about Arrington as that was the only player I wanted to talk about of those two. That I choose to do that does not mean anything in regards to my feelings of Amendola. So we are in 0% agreement as I only talked about Arrington.

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Ok well thanks for you input. My opinion is the same as it was in post #33 that I would cut Amendola and Arrington before I cut Wilfork. Have a great day!

To answer the OP:

1.) there are only going to be two things to hear first hes been cut or second hes palying on his deal

2.)that decision doesnt have to be made til after we figure out what to do with revis. If revis negotiates then we start to move into Mayo/Wilfork restructure/cuts

3.)After revis is finished the pats will turn to mccourty and a long term deal. Once that si done, the pats will be able to look at the two big cap eaters (Mayo, Vince) and see how much money they need to drop.

Don't expect to hear much till just before Revis's bonus is due.

Brady6 said:

You see if you refer back to post #33 you will see that I came into this thread and stated my opinion that I was more concerned with the cap hits of Amendola and Arrington. I did not quote anyone's post when I offered my opinion, I did not tag anyone, nothing. Then the same usual posters - Ivan, 50 yard line, Bruins29, Malkrilk who always give me crap over Amendola proceeded to quote that post, starting the back and forth, I have only responded to their posts when they quote mine. So you should take a hard look at yourself in the mirror.

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I didn't give you any crap at all.

I think they need to do something with Amendola, like you say. I'm less concerned about Arrington - BB loves the kid and he plays ST, too. Amendola needs a restructure or he needs to move on.

My contention with you was the June 1 designation when I'm concerned about March 10.

Also, since the Pats have to spend a ton of cash, I think they'll be giving big money up front to be cap pro-rated over the next couple of years, so pushing more dead money out beyond this year might not be a good idea.

Edit: ps. By the way, this money management is fascinating.

50-yard-line said:

I didn't give you any crap at all.

I think they need to do something with Amendola, like you say. I'm less concerned about Arrington - BB loves the kid and he plays ST, too. Amendola needs a restructure or he needs to move on.

My contention with you was the June 1 designation when I'm concerned about March 10.

Also, since the Pats have to spend a ton of cash, I think they'll be giving big money up front to be cap pro-rated over the next couple of years, so pushing more dead money out beyond this year might not be a good idea.

Edit: ps. By the way, this money management is fascinating.

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No you didn't I you are very reasonable, I should not have bunched you in that group. My point was only that this shift in discussion to Amendola was not a result of me forcing the topic on anyone. That is always the contention of posters such as Ivan, they want to go on tangents quote my posts repeatedly and then say it all my fault that the thread has gone off topic. It's ridiculous and it has been going on for nearly 2 years and no matter what I do whether positive or negative in regards to Amendola the share mention of his name in one of my posts results in this backlash and then they act like innocents who are being attacked by this evil villain who hates Danny Amendola uncontrollably, it's all a big act and front the reality is posters like Ivan and Bruins29 just want attention no matter if it is positive or negative attention, and they know that I will respond to them if they quote my posts and therefore feed their need for attention. My mistake is feeding the trolls.

I don't know if VW is going to be cut or ask to restructure again but I think he was worth every penny we paid him last year. Do any of you that is ripping on his abilities know that he was 2nd in combined tackles on the team for defensive lineman in the regular season. Ninkovich was 1st among defensive lineman.

There is no doubt that VW is no longer the dominating force he once was but he still was 2nd on the team and tied for 27th overall in the league in the above.

His ability to pass rush has declined and also to defeat double teams and make the solo tackle. He still has the ability to plug the hole they want to run through.

If VW is cut then who takes his place and at what price. Just remember what it was like when VW was out with the achilles injury. When I think about doing it through the draft all I can think about is Ron Brace and how that worked out. After what happened to Mankins it wouldn't surprise me if they cut VW but I think they will pick up the option for the next two years.

Do the Pats try and find an equal player at a lower price or do they want to find a DT that resembles VW talent wise in his prime? Is there another Ted Washington or Keith Traylor out there cheaper then VW.

I applaud hiim for coming back from an Achilles. Not an easy comeback and I thought he couldn't do it.

Still don't think that makes him worth 8.5M or whatever he gets in new money.

But whatever.

They may decide to pay him anyway, who knows.

Yes, I think there are big run stopper NT/DTs available for ~ half Wilfy's 2015 cap hit
Plus a draft pick at DT

PatsWickedPissah said:

Yes, I think there are big run stopper NT/DTs available for ~ half Wilfy's 2015 cap hit
Plus a draft pick at DT

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The problem with this draft is that it drops off very quickly after the middle to late second round imo. Of love to see them get Goldman at 32 but have fonts he will be there. After that there will be Carl Davis and Michal Bennett and it drops of pretty sharp after that. So if they can get one in the first or move back and take one mid second they should be able to get a good prospect, after that it will be more project than a player who could really continue this coming season.