Possible reason for delay in Jets tampering ruling?

Patsfanin Philly said:

I wonder if part of the delay is to see "what the damages are". If the Pats release Revis and he signs with the Jets, there has to be punishment or the whole concept of tampering is meaningless. There is likely two levels of punishment, a slap on the wrist if he stays with the Pats or signs with another team other than the Jets and a more severe punishment if he signs with the Jets. I can't believe that Mr. Kraft would sit by and let the second scenario ( signing with the Jets) go unpunished.
That is the only logical explanation I can think of for the delay in coming to a conclusion. The evidence is pretty clear cut. The PR person said he couldn't discuss a player under contract to a another team and then the owner does just that (for the second time in a year).

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I can see both sides of this.

If the punishment for tampering is based on the loss of the player, then it should be in addition to what the team would receive in the way of a compensatory pick. However, you can also argue that tampering is tampering and should have a set compensation amount. Tough call.

robertweathers said:

I can see both sides of this.

If the punishment for tampering is based on the loss of the player, then it should be in addition to what the team would receive in the way of a compensatory pick. However, you can also argue that tampering is tampering and should have a set compensation amount. Tough call.

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It wouldn't be a tough call if the Patriots were the offending party.

robertweathers said:

I can see both sides of this.

If the punishment for tampering is based on the loss of the player, then it should be in addition to what the team would receive in the way of a compensatory pick. However, you can also argue that tampering is tampering and should have a set compensation amount. Tough call.

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The only tough call should be the level of compensation to the aggrieved party, in this case NEP...

Having internal discussions on what to do if players hit the market is not tampering.

Deus Irae said:

Having internal discussions on what to do if players hit the market is not tampering.

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No but going on the record at a press conference saying that you want to sign a player under contract to another team is a classic case of tampering which is what happened here. It is not the internal discussions that is punishable but the public discussion by a repeat offender AFTER his PR people saying that they would not and could not discuss players under contract to other teams, after which Woody blatantly disregarded it and said what he did.

The value of the signing should equal a first round pick period. They where tampering.

Patsfanin Philly said:

No but going on the record at a press conference saying that you want to sign a player under contract to another team is a classic case of tampering which is what happened here. It is not the internal discussions that is punishable but the public discussion by a repeat offender AFTER his PR people saying that they would not and could not discuss players under contract to other teams, after which Woody blatantly disregarded it and said what he did.

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The press conference thing is a clear case of tampering. What people are talking about today as the followup is not tampering.

Patsfanin Philly said:

The only tough call should be the level of compensation to the aggrieved party, in this case NEP...

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Agreed- but the process and methodology how compensation is determined is what I have zero understanding of. My perception is that use a formula that includes negotiation, side deals based on league politics and influence and dart boards.

The Gr8est said:

It wouldn't be a tough call if the Patriots were the offending party.

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Yep. The team would be raked through the mud by every major tv outlet and the NFL would happily oblige.

Deus Irae said:

The press conference thing is a clear case of tampering. What people are talking about today as the followup is not tampering.

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Not directly but it is a subtle form by leaking it to the press....
Sort of, " we really, really want him, but we can't let anyone know, but you in the press can let people know."
Maybe they're getting smarter......Nah, it's the Jets.....

Knowing its the pats then the nfl would give the jests a slap on the wrist.

Patsfanin Philly said:

Not directly but it is a subtle form by leaking it to the press....

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It's not tampering to have internal discussions. If you can prove the leaks are a deliberate part of a coordinated effort to influence Revis, that's a different story.

Deus Irae said:

Having internal discussions on what to do if players hit the market is not tampering.

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Actually it is if it was leaked to the press. From the language of the NFL's anti-tampering policy..

Public/Private Statements. Any public or private statement of interest,qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti-Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: “He’s an excellentplayer, and we’d very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.”)

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So this is the third instance of Woody's organization tampering, first wrt Desean Jackson and twice re Revis

Patsfanin Philly said:

I wonder if part of the delay is to see "what the damages are". If the Pats release Revis and he signs with the Jets, there has to be punishment or the whole concept of tampering is meaningless. There is likely two levels of punishment, a slap on the wrist if he stays with the Pats or signs with another team other than the Jets and a more severe punishment if he signs with the Jets. I can't believe that Mr. Kraft would sit by and let the second scenario ( signing with the Jets) go unpunished.
That is the only logical explanation I can think of for the delay in coming to a conclusion. The evidence is pretty clear cut. The PR person said he couldn't discuss a player under contract to a another team and then the owner does just that (for the second time in a year).

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In a way, it shouldn't matter. The penalty should be at the highest level possible regardless of outcome.

Even if Revis re-signs with the Patriots, the tampering might have affected the price. We may have been around $14M but then the Jets say they're interested, the agent talks to the team and finds out they'll do $16M, and now we're forced to match.

There is all sorts of illegal tampering going on in the backgrounds, nobody is THAT naive. But Revis left the Jets on bad terms, and so perhaps he never considers the Jets until the owner publicly extends the olive branch, then suddenly it makes it another option.

The agent calls the owner, neither have an incentive to admit they're illegally tampering because the agent is trying to pump up the market for his guy, the owner wants the player. Suddenly we're stuck with a bill for an extra $3M/season for 5 years, and that's the best-case scenario.

Why change the outcome based on a bunch of factors outside of everyone's control? He tampered, it affected negotiations, it should be the max, regardless of what happens afterwards.

convertedpatsfan said:

In a way, it shouldn't matter. The penalty should be at the highest level possible regardless of outcome.

Even if Revis re-signs with the Patriots, the tampering might have affected the price. We may have been around $14M but then the Jets say they're interested, the agent talks to the team and finds out they'll do $16M, and now we're forced to match.

There is all sorts of illegal tampering going on in the backgrounds, nobody is THAT naive. But Revis left the Jets on bad terms, and so perhaps he never considers the Jets until the owner publicly extends the olive branch, then suddenly it makes it another option.

The agent calls the owner, neither have an incentive to admit they're illegally tampering because the agent is trying to pump up the market for his guy, the owner wants the player. Suddenly we're stuck with a bill for an extra $3M/season for 5 years, and that's the best-case scenario.

Why change the outcome based on a bunch of factors outside of everyone's control? He tampered, it affected negotiations, it should be the max, regardless of what happens afterwards.

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Not only did Woodie say he wanted Revis back, he said that if he knew the money he signed with NE was what he wanted, he would have gladly paid that.

It's very obvious tampering.. expressing interest publicly to another teams player and referencing their contract and money, saying they would match it.

It doesn't get more cut and dry than that.. they tampered and should be punished if Goodell has a shred of credibility

Patsfanin Philly said:

Actually it is if it was leaked to the press. From the language of the NFL's anti-tampering policy..


So this is the third instance of Woody's organization tampering, first wrt Desean Jackson and twice re Revis

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As I wrote in the sentence following the one you quoted:

Deus Irae said:

If you can prove the leaks are a deliberate part of a coordinated effort to influence Revis, that's a different story.

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And you have to actually, you know, prove it. You've not done that. So, to this point, you're wrong. What's worse, by jumping to conclusions with nothing even approaching real proof, you're doing exactly what everyone around here was crying about when it was being done with accusations against the Patriots.

Jets got away with tampering with deion branch and numerous other players. Its time to lay down the law.

Deus Irae said:

As I wrote in the sentence following the one you quoted:



And you have to actually, you know, prove it. You've not done that. So, to this point, you're wrong. What's worse, by jumping to conclusions with nothing even approaching real proof, you're doing exactly what everyone around here was crying about when it was being done with accusations against the Patriots.

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Am I? We know per the press (Mehta) that the Jets had internal conversations re Revis which is not a problem in and of itself. However, once a member of the Jets revealed that private conversation to Mehta, a member of the press, it fits the definition of tampering. I'm not jumping to conclusions but drawing an inference from facts, unless Mehta made it up..
If Mehta is reporting a fact from as source inside the Jets that was told to him, then the Jets are guilty of tempering as defined in the definition. It fits because it meets what lawyers call, "every element" of the crime/tort.


>>>Any public or private statement of interest,qualified or unqualified, in another club’s player to that player’s agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti-Tampering Policy.<<<<
All you have to prove is that someone in the Jets spoke to Mehta.
The Jets only defense is that Mehta made up the story.

Eh that's a big reach^. Honestly after how many times the Jets have gotten away with tampering they deserve to have a 1st round pick forfeited.

Whats the advantage of dating a gal who is a Jets fan?





She is not looking for a ring anytime soon.