Why have we heard nothing about Wilfork?

50-yard-line said:

And you eat 4 of that back next year in dead money. So in total, replacing those two guys with rookies, you wind up saving about 1 million total over the next two years, as you have to replace them on the 51 with two contracts that will be 500k+ for 2 years.

And the Pats need to be under the cap next Tuesday. Browner+Wilfork or Revis will get you there. June cuts to Amendola and Arrington won't.

One or both of those guys might well be June 1 cuts (teams only get up to 2), but they're not the answer right now if we're talking about keeping Revis or McCourty.

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If.We cut Revis we are under the cap.
If, We extend Revis we are under the cap.

Right now we are under the cap. These figures are illusory!!!

They will cut Wilfork for 3 reasons IMO :
1) He is not worth 8m per year.
2) This draft is deep at DT and we have 8 or 9 picks ( 1 DT/2 OG / 3 WR/ 3 DT/4 RB/4 BPA/6 BPA/7 BPA/7 BPA)
3) Next year they will extend Hightower and Jones ( I hope at least) and they will nedd to be under the cap this year.

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

If.We cut Revis we are under the cap.
If, We extend Revis we are under the cap.

Right now we are under the cap. These figures are illusory!!!

They will cut Wilfork for 3 reasons IMO :
1) He is not worth 8m per year.
2) This draft is deep at DT and we have 8 or 9 picks ( 1 DT/2 OG / 3 WR/ 3 DT/4 RB/4 BPA/6 BPA/7 BPA/7 BPA)
3) Next year they will extend Hightower and Jones ( I hope at least) and they will nedd to be under the cap this year.

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Illusory? So is it your contention that if the Patriots do nothing at all, they are okay next Tuesday? Please explain.

By the way, I doubt a long-term deal with Revis alone at this point would get them under the cap. They're 12+ million over.

50-yard-line said:

Illusory? So is it your contention that if the Patriots do nothing at all, they are okay next Tuesday? Please explain.

By the way, I doubt a long-term deal with Revis alone at this point would get them under the cap. They're 12+ million over.

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According to Miguel:

As of March 2nd the Patriots have a total of $156,579,147 in total cap commitments. $151,961,328 is devoted to 66 signed or tendered players. The Patriots have $4,616,819 in dead money. $151,961,328 + $4,616,819 = $156,579,147. I am projecting that the Patriots will make tender offers to all 5 ERFAs. The 2015 League cap is $143.28 million. The Patriots 2015 adjusted cap number is $144,578,554. $143,280,000 (League Cap) + $5,442,054 (2014 Ending Cap Space + $1,184,000 Aaron Hernandez salary grievance credit - $5,143,970 (LTBE/NLTBE adjustment) = $144,578,554. $156,579,147 minus $144,578,554 = $(12,000,063) overage.

They have 2 options regarding Revis:
Extend or cut - saves 20m.

2015 Current cap number of $25,000,000 consists of:

• $7,500,000 salary
• $5,000,000 signing bonusproration
• $12,00,000 roster bonus due on March 10 (to be paid in four installments)
• $500,000 46-man active roster bonus

Proposed 2015 cap number of $13,500,000 consists of:

• $2,000,000 salary (fully guaranteed)
• $5,000,000 existing bonus proration
• $6,000,000 new signing bonus proration
• $500,000 46-man active roster bonus

So, yes $25,000,000 - $13,500,000 = $11,500,000.

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

According to Miguel:

As of March 2nd the Patriots have a total of $156,579,147 in total cap commitments. $151,961,328 is devoted to 66 signed or tendered players. The Patriots have $4,616,819 in dead money. $151,961,328 + $4,616,819 = $156,579,147. I am projecting that the Patriots will make tender offers to all 5 ERFAs. The 2015 League cap is $143.28 million. The Patriots 2015 adjusted cap number is $144,578,554. $143,280,000 (League Cap) + $5,442,054 (2014 Ending Cap Space + $1,184,000 Aaron Hernandez salary grievance credit - $5,143,970 (LTBE/NLTBE adjustment) = $144,578,554. $156,579,147 minus $144,578,554 = $(12,000,063) overage.

They have 2 options regarding Revis:
Extend or cut - saves 20m.

2015 Current cap number of $25,000,000 consists of:

• $7,500,000 salary
• $5,000,000 signing bonusproration
• $12,00,000 roster bonus due on March 10 (to be paid in four installments)
• $500,000 46-man active roster bonus

Proposed 2015 cap number of $13,500,000 consists of:

• $2,000,000 salary (fully guaranteed)
• $5,000,000 existing bonus proration
• $6,000,000 new signing bonus proration
• $500,000 46-man active roster bonus

So, yes $25,000,000 - $13,500,000 = $11,500,000.

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You forgot to add the $4.5 they just paid Gost. They are more than 12 over the cap at this time.

50-yard-line said:

You forgot to add the $4.5 they just paid Gost. They are more than 12 over the cap at this time.

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Cut Wilfork
Cut Hooman

Extend Gostkowski
Extend Solder

Restructure:
Mayo
Amendola
Arrington
Browner

Vince is owed a 4.5 million roster bonus on the first day of the new league year. This was deliberate, probably by Vince's agent, so that the Patriots must make a timely decision to keep or cut him.

Since we haven't heard anything except that Revis and McCourty are priorities, I am assuming that Vince will be cut and the 4.5 million bonus won't be paid.

The Patriots might still be the team willing to pay Vince the most money. The market will tell him that and he might come back. Similar thing happened with Casey Hampton and the Steelers. They let him go and then brought him back at a much lower number late in his career.

Dmac is irreplaceable this year. Harmon or Ryan will play FS. If that does not work use the first choice of the 2016 draft.
Wilfork - IMO our first choice will be DT

They will be fine.

I think it would be pretty understandable if Wilfork didn't want to take a pay cut and went elsewhere to get paid. But at the same time, these guys want to win. He's fresh off seeing the value of swallowing his pride and being practical last year, and it paid off with a Super Bowl victory. Contrast that to Mankins.

Each situation is different, and I respect players who want to get as much as they can in the short time they play. But I respect even more the guys who are more practical, realize a few bucks here or there will have very little tangible impact on the happiness in their life, while a ring on their finger will.

patsbrasilpatriotas said:

Cut Wilfork
Cut Hooman

Extend Gostkowski
Extend Solder

Restructure:
Mayo
Amendola
Arrington
Browner

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yeah, we're all hoping for that to happen. The Pats are cash-rich, so they could front end (for cash) and pro-rate a lot of contracts. There are many moving parts.

I've even read some opinions that not tagging McCourty gives them a better opportunity to use up some of that cash they need to spend or turn over to the NFLPA.

But you can't just extend Revis and get under the cap. They've got a lot of work to do.

Tunescribe said:

He's eating dinner.

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BradyManny said:

I think it would be pretty understandable if Wilfork didn't want to take a pay cut and went elsewhere to get paid. But at the same time, these guys want to win. He's fresh off seeing the value of swallowing his pride and being practical last year, and it paid off with a Super Bowl victory. Contrast that to Mankins.

Each situation is different, and I respect players who want to get as much as they can in the short time they play. But I respect even more the guys who are more practical, realize a few bucks here or there will have very little tangible impact on the happiness in their life, while a ring on their finger will.

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Yep. If they cut him before 3/10, they save $7.1m. If they cut him after, they save $3.1. If VW takes a hard line, then he is gone for sure. Thats the bottom line.

IMO, paying VW the $4m roster bonus and spreading it out over 2015 & 2016 while paying him ~$1m per season makes the most sense. That'll ensure that they have starting talent while they develop rookies, can soften the blow if Easley can't play or if Branch moves on. I just don't see the FA market paying a 34 year old DT <$5m next year.

The Pats executed on the same strategy in 2004 when the drafted VW but signed Keith Traylor.

Hopefully the Pats, VW and his representation see the same thing.

I thought that as of March 10, the cap was calculated based on the top 51 salaries. 15 players times $500K each would reduce the cap by $7.5 MM.

Brady6 said:

The bonus money is sunk, it makes no sense to give Amendola $4.5M in new money. Arrington would get $3M in new money I cannot get behind that either. I am not going to give a player $4.5M in new money for 27 catches and 200 yards.

I am not worried about the cap on March 10th we get under, I am worried about having our key players when the season starts. In order to do that we have to lose the dead weight.

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You can't get behind paying a very good starting nickel corner $3M? That's good money for what he brings.

hwc said:

There's nothing stopping Wilfork from retiring as a Patriot. He even got his one extra sentimental overpaid year (with a SuperBowl ring!). Storybook ending to a terrific career.

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Not sure........but his ego may get in the way

I agree that taking a chance with KA might be worth it even though I think you are underating him as a player. It seems we may have some guys there that can fill in adequately and save money. Worth a risk.

DA is another story. I dont see the depth behind him and a vet singing, unless a really big solid contributor, isnt going to absolutely be better also considering his salary would have to be added on to the DA dead money. Plus the chemistry with TB is a factor itself. DA has it ? may not and we have seen it happen several times.

RS DA and sign some low risk guys and hope Dobson wakes up. If DA does RS we are in good shape. If he wont, release him.

Brady6 said:

Given we are $12M over the cap no I cannot get behind it.

The question is not what Arrington can do for us, the question is what is the drop off between him and Alfonzo Dennard or Malcolm Butler for 1/3-1/5 the cost.

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Well that number is a bit missleading when Revis has a gigantic $20m contract that no one realisticly sees him getting.

I think Arrington is very valuable to the team. He's a very good corner against fast and quick receivers. I think a guy that can almost shut down guys in the mold of TY Hilton absolutely is worth $3M.

Brady6 said:

Something to keep in mind - posters talk a lot about the age of Wilfork him being 33 years old, but Wilfork was an elite talent, with physical ability that made him a first round draft pick and he dominated the NFL for over a decade at his position. So from the level of dominance how far does he drop off due to age?

Then you look at an Amendola or Arrington who were both marginal talents and UDFA, have never done anything more than be average NFL players and they are 29 years old, so as they drop off at their age where are they standing as players? You see nobody considers the age drop off of them, just Wilfork, but as they enter their 30s the differential between them being in the NFL and not is much smaller than an elite player like Wilfork.

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Just because you keep repeating something, that dosent make it true. KA is a good if not great solid Slot CB and solid ST player. If you would like to take a poll on the board and have a bet with me, lets do it.

Getting DA for a 1.9 RS is a great deal. Nobody cares about him playing for full contract so you dont have to worry about it happening.

The drop off from a NT at 33 AFTER a major injury is larger than what DA and KA are going to have at 29? Seriously this is a lame argument. Wilfork WAS paid as an elite player. KA was paid appropriate and DA was overpaid. We won a SB anyway, go figure.

Now its time to fix a few things. But lets not go crazy here.