Life without Revis and McCourty

Off The Grid · Mar 2, 2015

Brady_to_Moss said:
God the morons come out in groves....

Don't they, though!?!?

Note: This particular Grove appears to be moron-free...But you can never be sure!!

VectorPrime · Mar 2, 2015

Hmm, 17 posts over 4 years and half are in this thread. Seems legit

Deus Irae · Mar 2, 2015

When did they change the definition of "clear" to mean "possible"?

Biffins · Mar 2, 2015

Deus Irae said:
When did they change the definition of "clear" to mean "possible"?

Well, it's pretty logical, and hence "clear" to me they will hit FA. I only said it's 'likely' they get better offers than the Pats and take them.

Off The Grid · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Also I don't want to pay McCourty elite money when he's anything but that. This would be similar to the mistake we made with Jerrod Mayo, who is being paid elite money when he's closer to above average.

$6-7m should be what the Pats have in mind which is why they didn't agree to the $9.6m tag. If the Pats had a long-term deal of $8-9m in mind, as some here suggest, they'd be happy with a 1 year $9.6m franchise tag but they weren't.

JackBauer said:
McCourty is an elite FS. Mayo was worth his contract when it was signed.

Why am I getting serious troll vibes?

I have absolutely no idea, Brother Jack, because your Posts strongly suggest that you're an intelligent man.

I wouldn't grade McCourty quite as low as Brother Biffins does, but his Argument is a very reasonable one.

I'd hope that such an intelligent, compelling Argument on a painful Subject would be welcome, hereabouts.

*Editor's Note: Please note that I said "hope", not "expect".

Off The Grid · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Ok, what's the plan? It's clear they are both going to hit the FA and will likely be paid way more than Pats can afford or are willing to pay.

Who can we get in FA to shore up the secondary? Maxwell from Seahawks?

Ice_Ice_Brady said:

ashley1992 said:
Yeah, agree with most of the posters on here, it's way too premature yet to jump to any conclusion. As far as we know, we may be close to signing a deal with McCourty.

I do have to agree with these folks on one thing: Brother Biffins: Your OP does come across as a bit jumpy.

But as you said: You only said "likely."

A wise man always plans for Contingencies, and I applaud your Initiative.

Ivan · Mar 2, 2015

Well Biff, it's like this. Revis and McCourty both go FA and get big offers from the Patriots biggest rivals, then they ask the Patriots to match and Belichick offers them half of what they would get with the Broncos and Ravens and they eagerly accept. He then uses the savings to sign Justin Houston and uses the Jets next two first round picks to offset the two he gives up for Houston. After that he signs Suh to shore up the DL and Iupati to help out the OL. Once that's done he signs DeMarco Murray and Reggie Bush.

It's a genius plan. Just watch.

Biffins · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Well, it's pretty logical, and hence "clear" to me they will hit FA. I only said it's 'likely' they get better offers than the Pats and take them.

Mike Reiss also feels it would be surprising if McCourty doesn't hit FA.

"The Patriots know what they’d be comfortable paying McCourty, and now McCourty will have a chance to see how much more (if at all) another team is willing to exceed that number. Then McCourty can make the decision that suits him best. It would be a surprise, from this viewpoint, if the Patriots and McCourty strike an extension before the start of free agency on March 10. "

Adam Schefter says it's highly unlikely Revis doesn't test FA.

"Schefter pointed out that Revis is technically under contract for 2015 with a $25 million cap charge, and then said, “It would surprise me if New England picked that up.""

John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff 5m5 minutes ago
So according to Schefty w/Colin, Revis is also expected to hit the market

So me saying they will both hit FA should not be anything so radical to deserve the vitriol being poured on me this thread.

Biffins · Mar 2, 2015

Off The Grid said:
I do have to agree with these folks, though, Brother Biffins: Your OP does come across as a bit strident.

But as you said: You only said "likely."

A wise man always plans for Contingencies, and I applaud your Initiative.

I didn't even say they are leaving in the OP. I only said they will hit FA........... which they will. And will likely be paid more than we can offer, which they almost certainly will. Unless you are a homer Pats fan, you have to acknowledge these are fairly realistic scenarios.

JackBauer · Mar 2, 2015

Off The Grid said:
I have absolutely no idea, Brother Jack, because your Posts strongly suggest that you're a man of Intelligence.

I wouldn't grade McCourty quite as low as Brother Biffins does, but his Argument is a very reasonable one.

I would hope that such an intelligent and compelling Argument on a painful Subject would be welcome, hereabouts.

*Editor's Note: Please not that I said "hope", not "expect".

To be clear (although I disagree), I wasn't referencing the OP argument. I was simply pushing back on the notion that McCourty is "anything but elite" and that Mayo wasn't worth his contract at the time of signing. It certainly isn't lost on me that the same crappy argument that was levied against Mayo (i.e. he's not a playmaker!) is now being deployed against McCourty.

Off The Grid · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
I didn't even say they are leaving in the OP. I only said they will hit FA........... which they will. And will likely be paid more than we can offer, which they almost certainly will.

Unless you are a homer Pats fan, you have to acknowledge these are fairly realistic scenarios.

Of course you do. Thank you for initiating an important Discussion.

Hopefully, folks will simmer down soon and contribute something.

grux · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Pretty sure noone here expected both Revis and McCourty to hit FA and they likely will. These are logical outcomes.

Pats never had the cap room to tag McCourty. And once you don't tag him it's in his interest to atleast check out what others are willing to pay him even if he wants to come back to Patriots. Randy Moss did that too.

And Pats also don't have the cap room or the inclination to pay the 2nd year of Revis' contract so they will release him. And it is again in his interest to test the FA before deciding.

So it is logical for both players to hit the FA, which none of the "most knowledgeable Patriots fans" had been expecting. I am merely taking it one step further by saying that Revis will stay true to form and go to the highest bidder now that he has a Superbowl. And McCourty likely will get offered a contract which will make any Patriots offer pale in comparison partly because of Harmon's play. So I expect us to lose both in FA. It's nothing radical. It's quite logical.

So, in true Bill Belichick mode, it's not about who was in 2014's team. It's all about who will be in 2015 team. That's what this thread is about. It's forward looking. Not moping about the bygone era.

I thought that McCourty would get franchised and wouldn't be surprised if the pats couldn't lock up Revis long term. Revis has a history of wanting to be the highest paid and that isn't happening in Foxboro. I still think the Pats sign McCourty before the deadline.

Deus Irae · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Well, it's pretty logical, and hence "clear" to me they will hit FA. I only said it's 'likely' they get better offers than the Pats and take them.

Since FA doesn't start today, and is more than a week away, it's not clear. Again, "Clear" does not mean "possible".

Is it possible that both McCourty and Revis will be free agents come March 10? Sure. Is it possible that one or both will not be free agents come March 10th? Yes. Has anything come out to make it clear that both will be free agents come March 10th?

No.

Off The Grid · Mar 2, 2015

Off The Grid said:
Hopefully, folks will simmer down soon and contribute something.

JackBauer said:
To be clear (although I disagree), I wasn't referencing the OP argument. I was simply pushing back on the notion that McCourty is "anything but elite" and that Mayo wasn't worth his contract at the time of signing. It certainly isn't lost on me that the same crappy argument that was levied against Mayo (i.e. he's not a playmaker!) is now being deployed against McCourty.

Ah!! Even before I posted that, my Wish was granted!!

Well said, Sir, on all Accounts!!

Biffins · Mar 2, 2015

Deus Irae said:
Since FA doesn't start today, and is more than a week away, it's not clear. Again, "Clear" does not mean "possible".

Well Mike Reiss and Adam Schefter are of the opinion that McCourty and Revis are heading to FA.

Deus Irae · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Well Mike Reiss and Adam Schefter are of the opinion that McCourty and Revis are heading to FA.

"Clear" does not mean "Some people speculate and opine", either. Some things we don't have:

Patriots saying that they won't exercise Revis option, so Revis will become a FA
Revis saying Patriots have informed him they won't exercise option, and he'll be heading into free agency

McCourty declaring that he will not talk with NE, and will be heading into FA
NE declaring that they will let McCourty test the FA waters

There is more than a week to go before the start of FA.

Biffins · Mar 2, 2015

Deus Irae said:
"Clear" does not mean "Some people speculate and opine", either. Some things we don't have:

Patriots saying that they won't exercise Revis option, so Revis will become a FA
Revis saying Patriots have informed him they won't exercise option, and he'll be heading into free agency

McCourty declaring that he will not talk with NE, and will be heading into FA
NE declaring that they will let McCourty test the FA waters

Well Pats don't need to tell us. We can do the math on their available cap.

Patriots1364life · Mar 2, 2015

They are ways to get the cap space. Its just baffling that the donkeys dont have this type of problem although they will lose players.

I am one that would make amendola and wilfork restructure or cut them straight up. Mayo has to restructure as well.

jmt57 · Mar 2, 2015

Biffins said:
Ok, what's the plan? It's clear they are both going to hit the FA and will likely be paid way more than Pats can afford or are willing to pay.

Who can we get in FA to shore up the secondary?

Biffins said:
Well, it's pretty logical, and hence "clear" to me they will hit FA. I only said it's 'likely' they get better offers than the Pats and take them.

Biffins said:
So me saying they will both hit FA should not be anything so radical to deserve the vitriol being poured on me this thread.

I can't speak for others, but look at your title for the thread and then your first post. Between the two I read that to mean that you feel that both players will absolutely not be on the Patriots roster in 2015. The thread title in particular evokes the response that there is no room for discussion on this topic.

In the second quote above you backed off, and then in the third it seems like you are in full back-pedal mode.

Again, I can't speak for others - but originally it seems as though you are most thoroughly convinced that the departure of McCourty and Revis is a fait accompli. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, but don't be surprised if others disagree - especially when you imply that it something that most definitely will occur, an undebatable fact.

Just something for you to consider with those that may disagree with your viewpoint.

blackglass3 · Mar 2, 2015

I wondered what this board would be like an offseason after we won a Super Bowl. I see I have my answer: It's like every other offseason around here.

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