Our $41M Secondary

203Pat said:

No one has to but if you don't think Duron Harmon and Logan Ryan are the second coming of Ronnie Lott and Deion Sanders then you're a "hater".

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Reality: Most posters are down on/critical of Ryan, and only a small segment of the forum approves of letting Harmon take over for McCourty.

203Pat said:

The Kool Aid drinking on here is hilarious. We have a roster of 53 Hall of Famers and we will win the Super Bowl every year!!

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Now I see why Ian starts poster's out on the Practice Squad, some of you really need the training wheels.

i haven't seen anybody compare harmon or logan ryan to lott and sanders.
the discussion here is whether or not we can afford to keep Revis and McCourty.
I'm in favor of keeping both, but it's possible that BB might move on from one of them if their contract demands are too excessive.

203Pat said:

The Kool Aid drinking on here is hilarious. We have a roster of 53 Hall of Famers and we will win the Super Bowl every year!!

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203Pat said:

No one has to but if you don't think Duron Harmon and Logan Ryan are the second coming of Ronnie Lott and Deion Sanders then you're a "hater".

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Why are you even worried about these players? They are young and developing and cheap. Best of all they play behind players that are top 1-3 at their positions in the NFL (who they can learn from). And we have other players like Butler competing as well. So not all hopes are being pinned on these two guys.

Also, when you have these elite starters who need elite money, what type of investment do you want to make into their backups. It does not get much cheaper than what these guys are making.

203Pat said:

No one has to but if you don't think Duron Harmon and Logan Ryan are the second coming of Ronnie Lott and Deion Sanders then you're a "hater".

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If Harmon and Ryan don't improve they will either be cut or special teams fodder. I missed all of the posts calling them pro bowlers apparently.

JackBauer said:

I like Harmon, but what exactly has he done to prove himself worthy of succeeding McCourty? You're really going to pin your hopes on a Chung-Harmon starting tandem with Tavon Wilson and a draft pick as the backups? No offense but that sounds like textbook penny wise, pound foolish personnel management to me.

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LOL, what a kool aid chugging Homer. Keep washing Harmon and Wilson's balls.......

Ivan said:

Feel free to back this up. What I'm seeing here is the exact opposite. This thread is about the need to keep their best players because the drop off to guys like Harmon and Logan Ryan is so precipitous, and that's the opposite of people claiming that every player is great. It's also about the high cost of keeping Revis and McCourty and the tough decisions that will lead to in keeping guys like Solder, Hightower, Chandler Jones, and Jamie Collins. That's an intelligent approach to these issues and not unadulterated homerism.

Making snarky remarks is easy, backing them up is tougher, so let's see you back it up champ.

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The fact that people disagree that Logan Ryan should be sent packing alone is ridiculous. He is horrible. He couldn't have played that TD pass before half time of the Super Bowl any worse. Tackle the receiver, throw him on the ground, hold him at the line, do anything besides taking three steps into the end zone leaving a giant cushion.

As for the cap resigning Revis even at the $16 mill a year people are thinking he's looking for creates $9 mill in cap space. Combine that with the fact that at least one if not all three of the combination of Mayo/Amendola/Wilfork will be asked to restructure or be out right cut will save money as well. Solder is already making $7 mill for this coming season and I doubt would fetch too much more on the open market. The only one of those future guys I think may end up commanding a major contract is Collins and who knows what we do then.

Ivan said:

Show us who said this?

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Reading comprehension sir. I said "no one has to" when the previous poster asked "who said this".

Ivan you seem to be a sensitive guy.

203Pat said:

Reading comprehension sir. I said "no one has to" when the previous poster asked "who said this".

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The person who has reading comprehension problems is clearly you. And you have yet to back up anything you said with the quotes from the people you accused of being kool aid chugging homers.

JackBauer said:

Reality: Most posters are down on/critical of Ryan, and only a small segment of the forum approves of letting Harmon take over for McCourty.

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I dont hate Harmon in the role that he has (limited/garbage time) but I have never seen anything out of him to warrant taking over for McCourty. Just asking here but do you think McCourty is worth keeping if we could only resign him for a TJ Ward/Earl Thomas type deal?

203Pat said:

Ivan you seem to be a sensitive guy.

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No, I just have low tolerance for self serving bullish.t.

Bruins29 said:

Why are you even worried about these players? They are young and developing and cheap. Best of all they play behind players that are top 1-3 at their positions in the NFL (who they can learn from). And we have other players like Butler competing as well. So not all hopes are being pinned on these two guys.

Also, when you have these elite starters who need elite money, what type of investment do you want to make into their backups. It does not get much cheaper than what these guys are making.

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I worry about whatever receiver Logan Ryan is covering. As soon as a QB sees 26 on the field he immediately targets him (Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson)

patsfaninpa said:

Extend Revis and sign McCourty win championships. Let one of em walk and lose AFCCG's.

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Exactly. In today's league you don't have an elite secondary you're not winning the Superbowl, period.

Ivan said:

No, I just have low tolerance for self serving bullish.t.

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How does anything on an internet forum serve me?

203Pat said:

The fact that people disagree that Logan Ryan should be sent packing alone is ridiculous. He is horrible. He couldn't have played that TD pass before half time of the Super Bowl any worse. Tackle the receiver, throw him on the ground, hold him at the line, do anything besides taking three steps into the end zone leaving a giant cushion.

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I think that play reflects less on Logan Ryan and more on coaching. All wide receivers on that play should have been held and tackled.

203Pat said:

The fact that people disagree that Logan Ryan should be sent packing alone is ridiculous. He is horrible. He couldn't have played that TD pass before half time of the Super Bowl any worse. Tackle the receiver, throw him on the ground, hold him at the line, do anything besides taking three steps into the end zone leaving a giant cushion.

As for the cap resigning Revis even at the $16 mill a year people are thinking he's looking for creates $9 mill in cap space. Combine that with the fact that at least one if not all three of the combination of Mayo/Amendola/Wilfork will be asked to restructure or be out right cut will save money as well. Solder is already making $7 mill for this coming season and I doubt would fetch too much more on the open market. The only one of those future guys I think may end up commanding a major contract is Collins and who knows what we do then.

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Why do you love Logan Ryan so much?

What a homer.

203Pat said:

The fact that people disagree that Logan Ryan should be sent packing alone is ridiculous.

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Perhaps, and if BB thinks he cant get anything out of him for the $ he will be. But lets see what happens. He is cheap and young. Going all hyperbole and know it all isnt helping this discussion.

IndianPat said:

I think that play reflects less on Logan Ryan and more on coaching. All wide receivers on that play should have been held and tackled.

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Yes it's the coaches. The same coaches who put Butler in position to pick off the game winning pass because they showed him the exact play in practice and how to react.

203Pat said:

How does anything on an internet forum serve me?

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For most people it doesn't, in your case it apparently gives you a free hand to pat yourself on the back.